Trade Ideas Thread

[ConstableGeneva]

Fantasy Hayward-to-Indiana trade, non-big return edition:

DET gets Oladipo, Edwards, #14, #47
IND gets Hayward, #26
BOS gets Rose, Snell, Warren, #7

*Options on Hayward and Snell exercised. Kanter, Semi, Green, and Wanamaker all walk. Dunno what to do with Poirier.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Warren / Timelord
Rose / Smart / Snell / Grant / Theis
Waters / Langford / vet / #30 / #7

If we ever play in a bubble again, TJ Warren can give you 50-piece like it's nothing lol. Snell and Warren both shot 40% from three last season. Rose is someone who can penetrate the defense and get into the paint at will. Could be our LouWill w/o the shooting. Is there a quality big in the draft at #7?

Sell Detroit to pairing Griffin with another all-star calibre player. Dunno why they'd give up #7 in this scenario. I tried to talk them out of it but they insisted on trading it to us.

Dipo wants out of Indiana, Hayward probably wants in. Win-win! Give them #26 for Warren.

Let's call this Celtics 2018 Redux with Rose in the Rozier role and Warren in the Mook role. Snell takes over Semi's place. Lots of mid-tier salaries/pieces that can be cobbled together for a special pupu platter in case a star becomes available midseason.

How does this improve us on the boards? I think we were a big man away from being a championship team. We need a guy who is 20-30 % better than Theis and we can win a championship.

Boards, you mean rebounds? We outrebounded Miami in every game except the last. Turnovers and execution in crunch time are what did us in in that series. Theis and Grant might not be all-world rebounders but they're great at boxing out. It's up to Tatum, Brown, and co. to grab the boards.

I'm betting on Timelord's improvement on the defensive end. Just not a fan of investing on a high usage, mediocre efficiency non-defensive big like Vucevic. People do realize he won't average his 20/11 with the Cs. He'll get less touches, lower usage since we already have Kemba/Tatum/Brown. Williams per 100 possessions already matches Theis's production on much higher efficiency but with more blocks/steals (though more turnover prone). Two things that are keeping him off the floor -- injuries and his inability to understand & execute defensive coverages.

[Triple7]

Fantasy Hayward-to-Indiana trade, non-big return edition:

DET gets Oladipo, Edwards, #14, #47
IND gets Hayward, #26
BOS gets Rose, Snell, Warren, #7

*Options on Hayward and Snell exercised. Kanter, Semi, Green, and Wanamaker all walk. Dunno what to do with Poirier.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Warren / Timelord
Rose / Smart / Snell / Grant / Theis
Waters / Langford / vet / #30 / #7

If we ever play in a bubble again, TJ Warren can give you 50-piece like it's nothing lol. Snell and Warren both shot 40% from three last season. Rose is someone who can penetrate the defense and get into the paint at will. Could be our LouWill w/o the shooting. Is there a quality big in the draft at #7?

Sell Detroit to pairing Griffin with another all-star calibre player. Dunno why they'd give up #7 in this scenario. I tried to talk them out of it but they insisted on trading it to us.

Dipo wants out of Indiana, Hayward probably wants in. Win-win! Give them #26 for Warren.

Let's call this Celtics 2018 Redux with Rose in the Rozier role and Warren in the Mook role. Snell takes over Semi's place. Lots of mid-tier salaries/pieces that can be cobbled together for a special pupu platter in case a star becomes available midseason.

How does this improve us on the boards? I think we were a big man away from being a championship team. We need a guy who is 20-30 % better than Theis and we can win a championship.

Boards, you mean rebounds? We outrebounded Miami in every game except the last. Turnovers and execution in crunch time are what did us in in that series. Theis and Grant might not be all-world rebounders but they're great at boxing out. It's up to Tatum, Brown, and co. to grab the boards.

I'm betting on Timelord's improvement on the defensive end. Just not a fan of investing on a high usage, mediocre efficiency non-defensive big like Vucevic. People do realize he won't average his 20/11 with the Cs. He'll get less touches, lower usage since we already have Kemba/Tatum/Brown. Williams per 100 possessions already matches Theis's production on much higher efficiency but with more blocks/steals (though more turnover prone). Two things that are keeping him off the floor -- injuries and his inability to understand & execute defensive coverages.

I disagree. I think Viuc would really help us. He’s a better version of Kanter and can really punish guys like Bam inside. He’s got a polished offensive game, and i think his defense is a little bot underrated. I think with the right system, he could be decent defensively. Plus wouldn’t hurt to have an inside game on our arsenal. We have tons of wings, and adding warren, snell and rose would just be redundant. We neede a rim protector, and also a high scoring wing off the bench. A big combo guard preferably.

[ConstableGeneva]

How does this improve us on the boards? I think we were a big man away from being a championship team. We need a guy who is 20-30 % better than Theis and we can win a championship.

Boards, you mean rebounds? We outrebounded Miami in every game except the last. Turnovers and execution in crunch time are what did us in in that series. Theis and Grant might not be all-world rebounders but they're great at boxing out. It's up to Tatum, Brown, and co. to grab the boards.

I'm betting on Timelord's improvement on the defensive end. Just not a fan of investing on a high usage, mediocre efficiency non-defensive big like Vucevic. People do realize he won't average his 20/11 with the Cs. He'll get less touches, lower usage since we already have Kemba/Tatum/Brown. Williams per 100 possessions already matches Theis's production on much higher efficiency but with more blocks/steals (though more turnover prone). Two things that are keeping him off the floor -- injuries and his inability to understand & execute defensive coverages.

I disagree. I think Viuc would really help us. He’s a better version of Kanter and can really punish guys like Bam inside. He’s got a polished offensive game, and i think his defense is a little bot underrated. I think with the right system, he could be decent defensively. Plus wouldn’t hurt to have an inside game on our arsenal. We have tons of wings, and adding warren, snell and rose would just be redundant. We neede a rim protector, and also a high scoring wing off the bench. A big combo guard preferably.

Theis is actually a better rim protector than Vucevic 'cos he can move his feet. Better at weakside help and better at staying in front of wing/guard drivers. What he struggles with is defending stronger, bigger guys one-on-one in the paint/post. With Vuc, you're plugging one hole (like we do with Kanter) while opening up others but at a much higher cost, salary-wise.

Theis defense within 6 feet of rim: -7.5% difference
Vucevic defense w/in 6 feet of rim: -1.5% difference

You'll run into the same (maybe worse) issues if Kemba is still on the floor defending PnR with Vuc.

EDIT: Dedmon is a low-cost "rim protector" than can also shoot threes. Could merit a look. But I really wish we just develop Timelord.

[Triple7]

Boards, you mean rebounds? We outrebounded Miami in every game except the last. Turnovers and execution in crunch time are what did us in in that series. Theis and Grant might not be all-world rebounders but they're great at boxing out. It's up to Tatum, Brown, and co. to grab the boards.

I'm betting on Timelord's improvement on the defensive end. Just not a fan of investing on a high usage, mediocre efficiency non-defensive big like Vucevic. People do realize he won't average his 20/11 with the Cs. He'll get less touches, lower usage since we already have Kemba/Tatum/Brown. Williams per 100 possessions already matches Theis's production on much higher efficiency but with more blocks/steals (though more turnover prone). Two things that are keeping him off the floor -- injuries and his inability to understand & execute defensive coverages.

I disagree. I think Viuc would really help us. He’s a better version of Kanter and can really punish guys like Bam inside. He’s got a polished offensive game, and i think his defense is a little bot underrated. I think with the right system, he could be decent defensively. Plus wouldn’t hurt to have an inside game on our arsenal. We have tons of wings, and adding warren, snell and rose would just be redundant. We neede a rim protector, and also a high scoring wing off the bench. A big combo guard preferably.

Theis is actually a better rim protector than Vucevic 'cos he can move his feet. Better at weakside help and better at staying in front of wing/guard drivers. What he struggles with is defending stronger, bigger guys one-on-one in the paint/post. With Vuc, you're plugging one hole (like we do with Kanter) while opening up others but at a much higher cost, salary-wise.

Theis defense within 6 feet of rim: -7.5% difference
Vucevic defense w/in 6 feet of rim: -1.5% difference

You'll run into the same (maybe worse) issues if Kemba is still on the floor defending PnR with Vuc.

EDIT: Dedmon is a low-cost "rim protector" than can also shoot threes. Could merit a look. But I really wish we just develop Timelord.

Vuc is fine if we didn’t have kemba. I agree those 2 together probably won’t work. I kind of moved on from Theis. I knew we would have a problem with Theis at the 5. He is good at switching, but his lack of size is just too glaring. Even in the Raps series, Lowry and fvv constantly attacking Theis inside with no fear. They are just using their body and Theis can’t do anything. Dedmon, Alex len, or mo bamba are solid options at the 5. Whiteside is a bit pricey, but is one of the best rim protectors in the league. We need a legit 5. not an undersized 4 trying to be a 5. Can we get Jrue holiday plus jaxson Hayes for Kemba plus picks? Trade hayward for Whiteside plus filler.
Jrue, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Whiteside.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I disagree. I think Viuc would really help us. He’s a better version of Kanter and can really punish guys like Bam inside. He’s got a polished offensive game, and i think his defense is a little bot underrated. I think with the right system, he could be decent defensively. Plus wouldn’t hurt to have an inside game on our arsenal. We have tons of wings, and adding warren, snell and rose would just be redundant. We neede a rim protector, and also a high scoring wing off the bench. A big combo guard preferably.

Theis is actually a better rim protector than Vucevic 'cos he can move his feet. Better at weakside help and better at staying in front of wing/guard drivers. What he struggles with is defending stronger, bigger guys one-on-one in the paint/post. With Vuc, you're plugging one hole (like we do with Kanter) while opening up others but at a much higher cost, salary-wise.

Theis defense within 6 feet of rim: -7.5% difference
Vucevic defense w/in 6 feet of rim: -1.5% difference

You'll run into the same (maybe worse) issues if Kemba is still on the floor defending PnR with Vuc.

EDIT: Dedmon is a low-cost "rim protector" than can also shoot threes. Could merit a look. But I really wish we just develop Timelord.

Vuc is fine if we didn’t have kemba. I agree those 2 together probably won’t work. I kind of moved on from Theis. I knew we would have a problem with Theis at the 5. He is good at switching, but his lack of size is just too glaring. Even in the Raps series, Lowry and fvv constantly attacking Theis inside with no fear. They are just using their body and Theis can’t do anything. Dedmon, Alex len, or mo bamba are solid options at the 5. Whiteside is a bit pricey, but is one of the best rim protectors in the league. We need a legit 5. not an undersized 4 trying to be a 5. Can we get Jrue holiday plus jaxson Hayes for Kemba plus picks? Trade hayward for Whiteside plus filler.
Jrue, Smart, Brown, Tatum and Whiteside.

You might not be able to get Jrue Holiday for Kemba and picks, but asking for Jaxson Hayes is a non-starter for the Pels.

As for Whiteside......eww. Don't bother. He is terrible, regardless of what his stats look like in the boxscore. He destroys his own team defense because he's too concerned with padding his rebounding and blocks

[chrisab123]

I think this is year 3 of the Vuc hype train. Is he the new Tyreke Evans?

Simple solution....give Rondo what he wants. Unless he just stays in LA.

I'll say that seeing him as a big part of the **** Lakers is really a nice kick in the balls.

[SmartWentCrazy]

New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.

[100proof]

Fantasy Hayward-to-Indiana trade, non-big return edition:

DET gets Oladipo, Edwards, #14, #47
IND gets Hayward, #26
BOS gets Rose, Snell, Warren, #7

*Options on Hayward and Snell exercised. Kanter, Semi, Green, and Wanamaker all walk. Dunno what to do with Poirier.

Kemba / Brown / Tatum / Warren / Timelord
Rose / Smart / Snell / Grant / Theis
Waters / Langford / vet / #30 / #7

If we ever play in a bubble again, TJ Warren can give you 50-piece like it's nothing lol. Snell and Warren both shot 40% from three last season. Rose is someone who can penetrate the defense and get into the paint at will. Could be our LouWill w/o the shooting. Is there a quality big in the draft at #7?

Sell Detroit to pairing Griffin with another all-star calibre player. Dunno why they'd give up #7 in this scenario. I tried to talk them out of it but they insisted on trading it to us.

Dipo wants out of Indiana, Hayward probably wants in. Win-win! Give them #26 for Warren.

Let's call this Celtics 2018 Redux with Rose in the Rozier role and Warren in the Mook role. Snell takes over Semi's place. Lots of mid-tier salaries/pieces that can be cobbled together for a special pupu platter in case a star becomes available midseason.

I really like this trade and honestly never really though of it before. I know the PAcers fans are really hard to gauge on value, but to me, swapping Dipo and Warren with Hayward makes some sense. They consolidate their glut of wings into 1 do all wing. I would assume Indiana wants the 14 and Detroit instead gets the 26th as they are potentialy getting the best/second best player in the deal


I would change up Bostons depth chart, imo.
Smart has to start beside Kemba to make up for the incredible lack of defense, and Warren is a spark plug off the bench for us.
Also would imagine team would keep either Green or Semi as they already know their spot and are just the 13th/14th man anyways.


Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Timelord
Rose/Snell/Warren/Grant/Theis
Waters/Langford/Green/#30/#26

[ConstableGeneva]

Kemba / Smart / Brown / Tatum / Timelord
Rose / Snell / Warren / Grant / Theis
Waters / Langford / vet / #30 / #7

Will be under the tax if we don't use the MLE (Rose or Warren is essentially your MLE guy) and just trade Poirier into some other team's TPE or stretch his salary.

[100proof]

Kemba, Kanter and #30 to NYK

Randle, Edwards, #14 and #26 to Pelicans

JJ redick, Denis Smith Jr, #8, #13 to Boston

Knicks add a hometown allstar
Pelicans add a bigman and an extra pick by moving down 1 spot and trading a guy they likely will not be able to keep in JJ
Celtics add a young PG who needs to grow and learn and a sharpshooter. Also add the #8 pick in the draft.

Smart/SmithJR/Waters
Brown/JJ Redick/Romeo
Hayward/Vassell or Okoro #8/Green
Tatum/Precious or Jalen #13/GrantW
Williams/Theis/Kanter

[100proof]

What about a Hayward for Paul George swap?

Obviously we do not need Paul George at all, but he would fetch something out there for certain in a three way deal.

Maybe:

Hayward and #26 to Clippers
Paul George to Minny
#1, Poirier, Edwards to NYK
#8, Ntilikina, James Johnson, NYK 2021 pick (probably with protections) to Boston

Clippers add a secondary playmaker who can shoot from deep and defend to pair with Kawhi. Perfect fit IMO
George goes to Minny where he does not have to take the offensive load and can be a 2nd/3rd star. Perfect PF pairing for Russell/KAT imo
NYK gets the number 1 pick (Ball) whom they love at the cost of Frank, #8 and next years pick (protected with decreasing protections until completely unprotected)
Boston adds a couple of bench pieces that boost defense and toughness and move up in this years draft while gaining 16 million in capspace(before pick signings) allowing them to use MLE and add a protected pick from NYK


Kemba/Frank
Smart/Romeo/
Brown/JJ
Tatum/GrantW/
Timelord/Theis/Kanter

the #8, #14, #30 and MLE to finish up roster.

[MagicBagley18]

New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.

If u get us Seth Curry and reddick that’s unreal....hell if we landed 1 shooter of that caliber for the bench it would be huge but both is wow. I do think Dallas may be a spot for Hayward- they would love entering next offseason w all that extra cap room.

More importantly if Hayward is healthy and plays well for them it def raises the ceiling for them- I just don’t know if they part with curry and I’m not sure how I feel ab THJ

[MagicBagley18]

Ainge says celts are prepared to be a luxury tax team next year and they have work to do this off season on his weekly radio spot

[ConstableGeneva]

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Timelord obviously slacking here. Should've given Danny a heads-up.

[ConstableGeneva]

LOL

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[CelticsPride18]

That trade is so bad for Indy. Losing 2 starters and getting older is not an optimal way of improving the team.

[Triple7]

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Timelord obviously slacking here. Should've given Danny a heads-up.

Well a lot of teams got players including the Lakers and Heat, that worked fine when they inserted them in the lineup, even without enough games left. I think Danny was maybe getting some backlash for staying quiet for two straight years. It turned out this season was our best chance to win it. Maybe a move or two would have given us a shot at the lakers. I think Danny would really work this off season. He now knows we can compete with the emergence of Tatum and Brown. We just need those pieces to compete.

[hugepatsfan]

Myles Turner...

Everyone seems on board with trading Hayward for him. I get it. I know everyone has negative feelings on Hayward because he hasn't lived up to his deal. He's not homegrown and has never really given us reasons to fall in love with him. I get it.

But when you take a step back and pull emotion out of it, the move to make for Myles Turner is not giving up Hayward. It's building a deal around Smart.

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Turner

vs

Kemba
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner

Hayward's shooting over Smart makes a huge difference. With a defensive anchor like Turner, you can go with a good defender in Hayward vs an elite one in Smart.

I love Marcus Smart as much as anyone. Hayward is just a better player. If you want Turner, this is the way you try to do it.

[ddb]

New idea:

Celtics trade: Hayward, Kanter, 26
Celtics receive: Seth Curry, Redick, Powell, 18

Mavs trades: Curry, Wright, Powell, 18, 31
Mavs receive: Hayward

NOP trades: Redick, Kanter
NOP receives: Wright, 26, 31

We get two of the best shooters in the league that carry immense gravity. They’ll bust any zone thrown our way. We also clear 8M in salary and get closer to the tax line. Dallas consolidates and clears cap space for next summer. NO gets two assets for someone who wont be there long term.

would you please for the love of God read what you just typed. Can you imagine if we had Redick, Scurry, Powell? You'd be wishfully thinking about trading them for Hayward/Kanter. It's just ludicrous some of the trade ideas that are floated. First of all, what the heck do you need Redick AND Curry for? They play the same position, neither plays defense, and neither can pass or rebound. Literally all they do is shoot. Powell is a RIM runner which we already have in TimeLord.
Common man! I get that trading Hayward is the hot topic, but at least let's come up with trade ideas where we are getting back something of substance that is fair in exchange for Hayward. Hayward averaged 17.5/6.7/4.1 on 50%/38%/85% as the FOURTH option!

The more I think about it the more I think we should bring him back and not trade him. His time in Boston has been tough. Obviously the injury in the first quarter of his first game cancelled his entire first year in Boston. Then in year 2 the team was dysfunctional and he was trying to find his confidence again. but this past year when he was healthy he was good. In the Heat series he was not good but we now know that he came back 2 weeks early to try to help the team win. The more I think about it the more I'm confident that we have yet to see the best of Hayward. Year #4 will be his best in Boston.

Only way I trade him is if there's a really good deal on the table. That's it. Boston has the leverage. NOT TRADING HIM for Seth Curry and Old Man Redick. GTFOOH

[Celts17Pride]

Myles Turner...

Everyone seems on board with trading Hayward for him. I get it. I know everyone has negative feelings on Hayward because he hasn't lived up to his deal. He's not homegrown and has never really given us reasons to fall in love with him. I get it.

But when you take a step back and pull emotion out of it, the move to make for Myles Turner is not giving up Hayward. It's building a deal around Smart.

Kemba
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Turner

vs

Kemba
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Turner

Hayward's shooting over Smart makes a huge difference. With a defensive anchor like Turner, you can go with a good defender in Hayward vs an elite one in Smart.

I love Marcus Smart as much as anyone. Hayward is just a better player. If you want Turner, this is the way you try to do it.

The Gordon Hayward story in Boston is just about over. The only thing left is Gordon Hayward waving goodbye. It hasn’t worked out