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Post#2881 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:55 am

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Music to my f***ing ears.
He’s a fan of Lowry and FVV too, so he’ll fit right in.
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Post#2882 » by Psubs » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:36 pm

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Music to my f***ing ears.
He’s a fan of Lowry and FVV too, so he’ll fit right in.


Could Bane become the bigger version of FVV? :reporter:
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Post#2883 » by Psubs » Thu Oct 1, 2020 12:47 pm

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BallstriKer wrote:You're right, he'd be a project too. But if we're starting with a clean slate at the center position, I'd rather have a guy like Tillman. Noel and Gilles may have some untapped potential, but they've been in the league a few years now and they're known quantities. I could be wrong but I feel Tillman could have a greater defensive impact than Noel right away. Not to mention his passing and his BBIQ. From a roster construction perspective, I'd feel much better developing a prospect with those attributes.


Tillman potentially like Al Horford. Giles seems like potentially someone like Chris Webber.


Every year they have these comparison. I think he is already very good ending up like Patrick Patterson.


You mean Tillman? I think Taj Gibson rather than Patterson.
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Post#2884 » by GM89 » Thu Oct 1, 2020 1:03 pm

Psubs wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
nabbs wrote:
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Music to my f***ing ears.
He’s a fan of Lowry and FVV too, so he’ll fit right in.


Could Bane become the bigger version of FVV? :reporter:


FVV is a borderline All Star level player despite lacking height and other physical tools. I like Bane but Raps would be extremely lucky if the 29th pick becomes a borderline All Star player.
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Post#2885 » by Psubs » Thu Oct 1, 2020 2:01 pm

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Music to my f***ing ears.
He’s a fan of Lowry and FVV too, so he’ll fit right in.


Could Bane become the bigger version of FVV? :reporter:


FVV is a borderline All Star level player despite lacking height and other physical tools. I like Bane but Raps would be extremely lucky if the 29th pick becomes a borderline All Star player.


Aim high! Not trying to get Draymond lucky, just Jimmy Butler #30 pick lucky. :nod:

Bane needs to get massage and relax those shoulder blades and have people pull his arms to the side for the combine measurements. Squeeze out an extra inch!
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Post#2886 » by durka » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:10 pm

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Music to my f***ing ears.
He’s a fan of Lowry and FVV too, so he’ll fit right in.


Could Bane become the bigger version of FVV? :reporter:


FVV is a borderline All Star level player despite lacking height and other physical tools. I like Bane but Raps would be extremely lucky if the 29th pick becomes a borderline All Star player.

Not saying it's the most likely scenario, but considering Pascal was an allstar at the 27th and Fred is borderline while being undrafted it's not out of the question to think our development team is capable of turning another late pick into a key contributor
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Post#2887 » by Indeed » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:43 pm

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Tillman potentially like Al Horford. Giles seems like potentially someone like Chris Webber.


Every year they have these comparison. I think he is already very good ending up like Patrick Patterson.


You mean Tillman? I think Taj Gibson rather than Patterson.


I am unsure he has the vertical of Gibson, and the reason he is unlikely to be anything Al Horford (Horford has a great vertical for being a rim protector). He could be Patterson if he can improve his shot.

And if you just want a point forward, there are Naji Marshall, who is probably quicker and more perimeter oriented defensively. Vision/passing is definitely above Tillman.

I mean if you want a passing PF who cannot play at C, why not draft a passing PF who can play at SF?

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Post#2888 » by Indeed » Thu Oct 1, 2020 3:48 pm

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Could Bane become the bigger version of FVV? :reporter:


FVV is a borderline All Star level player despite lacking height and other physical tools. I like Bane but Raps would be extremely lucky if the 29th pick becomes a borderline All Star player.

Not saying it's the most likely scenario, but considering Pascal was an allstar at the 27th and Fred is borderline while being undrafted it's not out of the question to think our development team is capable of turning another late pick into a key contributor


I feel someone like Saben Lee being undraft or late at 59 can be a good contributor.
He played a year under Stackhouse, so he is familiar with NBA play/set.

He is a combo guard, so I don't expect his passing to be off the chart, maybe as most Davis passing/vision. And his shooting will need to be improve. But his ability to get to the rim, and measure similar to Powell, that I feel he can be a sleeper.
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Post#2889 » by Psubs » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:06 pm

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Every year they have these comparison. I think he is already very good ending up like Patrick Patterson.


You mean Tillman? I think Taj Gibson rather than Patterson.


I am unsure he has the vertical of Gibson, and the reason he is unlikely to be anything Al Horford (Horford has a great vertical for being a rim protector). He could be Patterson if he can improve his shot.

And if you just want a point forward, there are Naji Marshall, who is probably quicker and more perimeter oriented defensively. Vision/passing is definitely above Tillman.

I mean if you want a passing PF who cannot play at C, why not draft a passing PF who can play at SF?



Naj Marshall looks like James Johnson out there.

As for Tillman, he just lost a lot of weight. Give him another year or 2 to get stronger.
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Post#2890 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:39 pm

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You mean Tillman? I think Taj Gibson rather than Patterson.


I am unsure he has the vertical of Gibson, and the reason he is unlikely to be anything Al Horford (Horford has a great vertical for being a rim protector). He could be Patterson if he can improve his shot.

And if you just want a point forward, there are Naji Marshall, who is probably quicker and more perimeter oriented defensively. Vision/passing is definitely above Tillman.

I mean if you want a passing PF who cannot play at C, why not draft a passing PF who can play at SF?



Naj Marshall looks like James Johnson out there.

As for Tillman, he just lost a lot of weight. Give him another year or 2 to get stronger.


Don’t think he needs to get stronger, already an elite post defender. (One of the few to be able to cover Zion 1v1). Questions with him are length and hops in terms of being able to protect the rim. NBA will improve his lateral quickness too, which is important at his size.

I do think he can play 5 fine though, not sure as a starter. Would compare him to Theis.

Problem is NBA is getting bigger again, so going with small ball 5 doesn’t seem great to me, at least in terms of starting lineups.
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Post#2891 » by mademan » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:41 pm

I hope we dont draft for need. There's better guards than bigs in this draft
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Post#2892 » by Dalek » Thu Oct 1, 2020 4:58 pm

Indeed wrote:
durka wrote:
GM89 wrote:
FVV is a borderline All Star level player despite lacking height and other physical tools. I like Bane but Raps would be extremely lucky if the 29th pick becomes a borderline All Star player.

Not saying it's the most likely scenario, but considering Pascal was an allstar at the 27th and Fred is borderline while being undrafted it's not out of the question to think our development team is capable of turning another late pick into a key contributor


I feel someone like Saben Lee being undraft or late at 59 can be a good contributor.
He played a year under Stackhouse, so he is familiar with NBA play/set.

He is a combo guard, so I don't expect his passing to be off the chart, maybe as most Davis passing/vision. And his shooting will need to be improve. But his ability to get to the rim, and measure similar to Powell, that I feel he can be a sleeper.


Yes, I agree with this not just because I think Lee is a good fit, but he has a defined tool that Toronto lacks - creation and generating freethrows. He is a plus athlete who has a good wingspan and has the will and knack to get to the rim. Toronto can shape a guy with those types of tools. Like I mentioned before, his dad was an NFLer (Amp Lee), so you are getting a serious athlete.
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Post#2893 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Oct 1, 2020 5:58 pm

Read on Twitter


https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane

“Toronto was a really, really good interview,” Bane said during his pre-draft media availability Wednesday. “I love their style of play. Nick Nurse is one of the great minds in basketball, being able to throw difference defences on the fly, the Raptors are one of those teams that are never going to stop fighting and I feel like that fits my DNA.”


“The feedback that I’ve gotten from a lot of NBA teams, they feel like I can shoot the ball, I defend, I play hard, I’m a smart player on both ends of the floor,” Bane said. “I’m one of those guys that’s a plug and play guy, you throw me out there and tell me what to do and I’m gunna figure out a way to get it done efficiently.”


“I feel like I can go there and have similar success, like Terence Davis,” Bane said of Toronto. “[Davis] is a bigger, athletic, strong guard who defends well, plays hard, I feel like I can bring some of those characteristics to the table.”
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Post#2894 » by Red_Claw » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:26 pm

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https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane

“Toronto was a really, really good interview,” Bane said during his pre-draft media availability Wednesday. “I love their style of play. Nick Nurse is one of the great minds in basketball, being able to throw difference defences on the fly, the Raptors are one of those teams that are never going to stop fighting and I feel like that fits my DNA.”


“The feedback that I’ve gotten from a lot of NBA teams, they feel like I can shoot the ball, I defend, I play hard, I’m a smart player on both ends of the floor,” Bane said. “I’m one of those guys that’s a plug and play guy, you throw me out there and tell me what to do and I’m gunna figure out a way to get it done efficiently.”


“I feel like I can go there and have similar success, like Terence Davis,” Bane said of Toronto. “[Davis] is a bigger, athletic, strong guard who defends well, plays hard, I feel like I can bring some of those characteristics to the table.”


He's the next Norm Powell as far as im concerned.
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Post#2895 » by NotMyKawhi » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:29 pm

lowry
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Powell
Thomas
Watson
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that's if we don't bring back Freddy

we are not taking Bane
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Post#2896 » by Dalek » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:33 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Read on Twitter


https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane

“Toronto was a really, really good interview,” Bane said during his pre-draft media availability Wednesday. “I love their style of play. Nick Nurse is one of the great minds in basketball, being able to throw difference defences on the fly, the Raptors are one of those teams that are never going to stop fighting and I feel like that fits my DNA.”


“The feedback that I’ve gotten from a lot of NBA teams, they feel like I can shoot the ball, I defend, I play hard, I’m a smart player on both ends of the floor,” Bane said. “I’m one of those guys that’s a plug and play guy, you throw me out there and tell me what to do and I’m gunna figure out a way to get it done efficiently.”


“I feel like I can go there and have similar success, like Terence Davis,” Bane said of Toronto. “[Davis] is a bigger, athletic, strong guard who defends well, plays hard, I feel like I can bring some of those characteristics to the table.”


Wow. I have to say this reporter has been awesome getting these interviews done. Without the usual media availabilities after draft workouts, there is practically no information out about who Toronto has interviewed. So this is great work.

Bane does seem like a safe pick that any team could use. To me, he really reminds me of Dillon Brooks who is the same height and has a short wingspan. He competes on defense and is a positive RPM guy every year. Maybe Bane can handle and shoot it a bit more than Brooks, but I still think he tops out as 3 and D guy off the bench with a secondary to tertiary role ballhandling.

If Toronto does lean this direction, it does make me question if Norm Powell is going to be dealt. He has such a good contract and production to get something pretty decent in return.
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Post#2897 » by Kevin Willis » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:47 pm

Red_Claw wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Read on Twitter


https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane

“Toronto was a really, really good interview,” Bane said during his pre-draft media availability Wednesday. “I love their style of play. Nick Nurse is one of the great minds in basketball, being able to throw difference defences on the fly, the Raptors are one of those teams that are never going to stop fighting and I feel like that fits my DNA.”


“The feedback that I’ve gotten from a lot of NBA teams, they feel like I can shoot the ball, I defend, I play hard, I’m a smart player on both ends of the floor,” Bane said. “I’m one of those guys that’s a plug and play guy, you throw me out there and tell me what to do and I’m gunna figure out a way to get it done efficiently.”


“I feel like I can go there and have similar success, like Terence Davis,” Bane said of Toronto. “[Davis] is a bigger, athletic, strong guard who defends well, plays hard, I feel like I can bring some of those characteristics to the table.”


He's the next Norm Powell as far as im concerned.


Nah. He's not Norm.

- lacks explosiveness
- short wingspan
- higher IQ
- Norm is pretty quick laterally

Don't draft him, pick him up if he goes undrafted which he might.
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Post#2898 » by mademan » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:50 pm

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https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane







He's the next Norm Powell as far as im concerned.


Nah. He's not Norm.

- lacks explosiveness
- short wingspan
- higher IQ
- Norm is pretty quick laterally

Don't draft him, pick him up if he goes undrafted which he might.


He defends and shoots well and has a high BBIQ. He's not falling out of the first round let alone going undrafted. His lack of explosive athleticism will limit his upside, but he has great role player potential.
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Post#2899 » by HeadtopChunes » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:51 pm

Bane is more like Joe Harris than Norm imo
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Post#2900 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Oct 1, 2020 6:59 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
Red_Claw wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
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https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/toronto-raptors-2020-nba-draft-preview-tcu-desmond-bane







He's the next Norm Powell as far as im concerned.


Nah. He's not Norm.

- lacks explosiveness
- short wingspan
- higher IQ
- Norm is pretty quick laterally

Don't draft him, pick him up if he goes undrafted which he might.


There is absolutely NO CHANCE Bane goes undrafted lol.
Bane as a senior, was a better scorer, rebounder, and playmaker than Norm. Bane's defensive upside is also higher given his significantly higher IQ.

It's funny how people list qualities like ''lacks explosiveness, short wingspan'' as weaknesses for Bane, but don't realize Lowry and FVV have those same qualities and together they're one of the best backcourts in the league.

Bane is signifincalty taller and stronger than both Lowry and FVV.

And he's got bunnies too...

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