Oladipo Trade Ideas

[HurricaneDij25]

In my speculation dream sequence here it would be Dipo for Powell, Davis, and a 1st, + some matching contracts.
For Turner, perhaps Ibaka on a sign and trade. A sign-and-trade requires a minimum 3 year deal according to the CBA. So a 3-year guarantee would probably lower his salary to Turner's level for an easy match. Toss in another 1st...


Has Turner fit in well with Sabonis? What's your outlook on your team's frontcourt around him and how do you think Ibaka would fit in?

Yeah, Turner and Sabonis are really helping together. I think Ibaka being slower and older puts us in a worse situation. Turner can guard the perimeter now with quicker 4’s, which is something Sabonis is TERRIBLE at. His allows Sabonis to guard his more “to the ground” 5’s. But, with Ibaka being similar, it means we have two pure 5’s defensively, which makes it real tough to play them together.


And remember, not all 1sts are the same. In this case, you’re offering a future 1st where you just added Turner/Oladipo for your ancillary pieces....almost for free. Added to an already top half of the East roster. So those are some super late future 1st to convince us to downgrade in age and fit from Turner to Ibaka.

Yeah this talk is really weak, I don't see Oladipo for Powell and some guy named Davis and some parts and a late pick, what are the parts McCaw and Stanley Johnson? Guys we'd end up cutting and or buying them out.

The Turner for Ibaka and a pick is not any where near value, who wants Ibaka at this point in his career? Who wants any of these guys? Not me that's for sure! I don't want to pay Ibaka $18-19 million a year! Forget it no deal for anyone let them expire and walk! Turner has 3 years left on his deal he signed it he's gonna have to live with it. If they want traded tough shnizzel!

Terence Davis for the Raptors is actually really good. That said, I'm not seeing too many realistic scenarios where we could bring him here in a trade for 'Dipo.

[basketballwacko2]

Naturally any sort of deal remotely close to the ballpark I've suggested there would presume that there have indeed been trade requests. If neither desire to leave the Pacers, there isn't even a conversation to be had. OG and Siakam are essentially untouchable assets for Masai.

Is Siakam's performance in the playoffs just an anomaly, or is it a new trajectory for him?

He started the season red hot in 2019, but I think his performance cooled off somewhat in 2020, and was down right alarming in the playoffs

Agreed on OG though, him being on a rookie contract and showing a tonne of promise, though I don't think he's untouchable if the right trade comes along

All indicators point to Siakam's offensive collapse (his defence remained fantastic) being an anomalous confluence of two factors IMO: the effect of the lockdown on his mechanics in tandem with the added mental pressure as the primary scoring option.

His late start with basketball means his developmental trajectory has been completely atypical. So rather than having a polished shot that he's worked on since his childhood, he's had to work extra hard on his mechanics, offsetting this with his athleticism and herculean work ethic. Living in a condo in Toronto during the covid-19 lockdown, he was actually unable to get up shots for three straight months. This led to the loss of shot consistency and a struggle to regain it. For comparison, a guy like Matt Thomas, who's shot is flawless, was unable to pick up his form much faster and with greater consistency. So suddenly what was a rather smooth and stable shooting form, morphed into a shot where his guiding hand was shifting all over the place from shot to shot in the bubble games.

Then the mental part: this loss of confidence with the restart in the bubble, led to him shooting less, cutting his 3pa in half on miserable efficiency rates. Statistically, on offence, he became inferior to Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

The lockdown and bubble set him back to numbers that basically match his sophomore year numbers, where he was a net positive playing 20 minutes off the bench, despite being an offensive liability.

Word is that he's been in the gym, obsessively working. Last off-season, coming off the championship, he doubled the volume of the development assignments he was given. I'd expect him to come back with a vengeance.

You're telling me he couldn't get to a gym and workout? That's really hard to believe.

[basketballwacko2]

Yeah, Turner and Sabonis are really helping together. I think Ibaka being slower and older puts us in a worse situation. Turner can guard the perimeter now with quicker 4’s, which is something Sabonis is TERRIBLE at. His allows Sabonis to guard his more “to the ground” 5’s. But, with Ibaka being similar, it means we have two pure 5’s defensively, which makes it real tough to play them together.


And remember, not all 1sts are the same. In this case, you’re offering a future 1st where you just added Turner/Oladipo for your ancillary pieces....almost for free. Added to an already top half of the East roster. So those are some super late future 1st to convince us to downgrade in age and fit from Turner to Ibaka.

Yeah this talk is really weak, I don't see Oladipo for Powell and some guy named Davis and some parts and a late pick, what are the parts McCaw and Stanley Johnson? Guys we'd end up cutting and or buying them out.

The Turner for Ibaka and a pick is not any where near value, who wants Ibaka at this point in his career? Who wants any of these guys? Not me that's for sure! I don't want to pay Ibaka $18-19 million a year! Forget it no deal for anyone let them expire and walk! Turner has 3 years left on his deal he signed it he's gonna have to live with it. If they want traded tough shnizzel!

Terence Davis for the Raptors is actually really good. That said, I'm not seeing too many realistic scenarios where we could bring him here in a trade for 'Dipo.

Well I don't know who Davis is, but it doesn't impress me much that this guy is talking about 2 lesser shooting guards for Victor, the trade is not even legal unless they want to pack in guys like McCaw and Johnson. Seems to me we had McCaw for about 5 min in a salary dump form the Rockets but I'm not sure.

[Topofthekey]

Vic did address the rumors didn't he:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/clutchpoints.com/pacers-news-victor-oladipo-speaks-out-on-future-with-indiana-amid-exit-rumors/amp/

“I’m a Pacer. I’m a Pacer… Those rumors on the internet, I don’t know where they’re coming from, I’m just focused on getting my knee right for next year,” Oladipo exclaimed

[fbalmeida]

Is Siakam's performance in the playoffs just an anomaly, or is it a new trajectory for him?

He started the season red hot in 2019, but I think his performance cooled off somewhat in 2020, and was down right alarming in the playoffs

Agreed on OG though, him being on a rookie contract and showing a tonne of promise, though I don't think he's untouchable if the right trade comes along

All indicators point to Siakam's offensive collapse (his defence remained fantastic) being an anomalous confluence of two factors IMO: the effect of the lockdown on his mechanics in tandem with the added mental pressure as the primary scoring option.

His late start with basketball means his developmental trajectory has been completely atypical. So rather than having a polished shot that he's worked on since his childhood, he's had to work extra hard on his mechanics, offsetting this with his athleticism and herculean work ethic. Living in a condo in Toronto during the covid-19 lockdown, he was actually unable to get up shots for three straight months. This led to the loss of shot consistency and a struggle to regain it. For comparison, a guy like Matt Thomas, who's shot is flawless, was unable to pick up his form much faster and with greater consistency. So suddenly what was a rather smooth and stable shooting form, morphed into a shot where his guiding hand was shifting all over the place from shot to shot in the bubble games.

Then the mental part: this loss of confidence with the restart in the bubble, led to him shooting less, cutting his 3pa in half on miserable efficiency rates. Statistically, on offence, he became inferior to Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

The lockdown and bubble set him back to numbers that basically match his sophomore year numbers, where he was a net positive playing 20 minutes off the bench, despite being an offensive liability.

Word is that he's been in the gym, obsessively working. Last off-season, coming off the championship, he doubled the volume of the development assignments he was given. I'd expect him to come back with a vengeance.

You're telling me he couldn't get to a gym and workout? That's really hard to believe.

Indeed. But that appears to have been the case. The lockdown in Ontario, and particularly Toronto was particularly restrictive. Matt Thomas said that he hadn't spent that much time without a basketball and a regulation height hoop since his childhood. He managed to leave Toronto for his home in Wisconsin where he was finally able to shoot again.
With Siakam, it was reported that visa issues prevented him from travelling to the US and finally accessing a gym.
Personally, I don't know what to make of all that. I find it hard to fathom that the MLSE empire wouldn't be able to provide a private gym somewhere in the city.

[fbalmeida]

About there being or not an actual trade request, there's been quite a bit of smoke regarding Oladipo, although admittedly no fire yet. We are practically in the silly season, where rumours abound.

Having just read his statement: "I’m a Pacer. I’m a Pacer… Those rumors on the internet, I don’t know where they’re coming from." I think that would put it to the rest, at least to start off the season.

The guy named Davis would be this guy. I'd hate to see him leave the Raptors. His ceiling is often compared with a slightly taller Baron Davis. He is going to be somebody in this league.

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[Scoot McGroot]

About there being or not an actual trade request, there's been quite a bit of smoke regarding Oladipo, although admittedly no fire yet. We are practically in the silly season, where rumours abound.

Having just read his statement: "I’m a Pacer. I’m a Pacer… Those rumors on the internet, I don’t know where they’re coming from." I think that would put it to the rest, at least to start off the season.

The guy named Davis would be this guy. I'd hate to see him leave the Raptors. His ceiling is often compared with a slightly taller Baron Davis. He is going to be somebody in this league.

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I’m curious as to why the Baron Davis association? He plays nothing like him, statistically or in style, it appears. He’s taller. He’s lighter. He’s not an inefficient high volume dependent shooter. He’s not a breakdown the offense distributor type player. What’s the attachment there?

[Scoot McGroot]

All indicators point to Siakam's offensive collapse (his defence remained fantastic) being an anomalous confluence of two factors IMO: the effect of the lockdown on his mechanics in tandem with the added mental pressure as the primary scoring option.

His late start with basketball means his developmental trajectory has been completely atypical. So rather than having a polished shot that he's worked on since his childhood, he's had to work extra hard on his mechanics, offsetting this with his athleticism and herculean work ethic. Living in a condo in Toronto during the covid-19 lockdown, he was actually unable to get up shots for three straight months. This led to the loss of shot consistency and a struggle to regain it. For comparison, a guy like Matt Thomas, who's shot is flawless, was unable to pick up his form much faster and with greater consistency. So suddenly what was a rather smooth and stable shooting form, morphed into a shot where his guiding hand was shifting all over the place from shot to shot in the bubble games.

Then the mental part: this loss of confidence with the restart in the bubble, led to him shooting less, cutting his 3pa in half on miserable efficiency rates. Statistically, on offence, he became inferior to Rondae Hollis-Jefferson.

The lockdown and bubble set him back to numbers that basically match his sophomore year numbers, where he was a net positive playing 20 minutes off the bench, despite being an offensive liability.

Word is that he's been in the gym, obsessively working. Last off-season, coming off the championship, he doubled the volume of the development assignments he was given. I'd expect him to come back with a vengeance.

You're telling me he couldn't get to a gym and workout? That's really hard to believe.

Indeed. But that appears to have been the case. The lockdown in Ontario, and particularly Toronto was particularly restrictive. Matt Thomas said that he hadn't spent that much time without a basketball and a regulation height hoop since his childhood. He managed to leave Toronto for his home in Wisconsin where he was finally able to shoot again.
With Siakam, it was reported that visa issues prevented him from travelling to the US and finally accessing a gym.
Personally, I don't know what to make of all that. I find it hard to fathom that the MLSE empire wouldn't be able to provide a private gym somewhere in the city.

Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about feeling like Siakam needs defending in this regards. A LOT of guys just didn’t respond well physically or mentally to the long shut down and then quick re open of play in the bubble, Oladipo included. I personally wouldn’t hold it against Pascal at all, really. It was a REAL weird year.

[fbalmeida]

The Baron Davis and Terence Davis comparison I think is based on his athleticism and hops. He's a smallish shooting-guard who can really elevate and attack the rim.

[MUpacersSIC]

This is literally the exact same scenario to Paul George. How any Pacers fan doesn't see that is beyond me. Trade him now! I was screaming that about PG for a year, and when they didn't trade him at the deadline I knew they screwed up. Vic has changed a lot over the past few years, and he's all about himself now. Time to move on.

[Wizop]

This is literally the exact same scenario to Paul George. How any Pacers fan doesn't see that is beyond me. Trade him now! I was screaming that about PG for a year, and when they didn't trade him at the deadline I knew they screwed up. Vic has changed a lot over the past few years, and he's all about himself now. Time to move on.

I understand that Vic's attitude may be similar to what Paul's was, but trading him now is complicated by his contract situation and his injury. he'd be much easier to trade if he accepted an extension and if he plays up to his potential. I think an extension is highly unlikely, but the longer next season is put off, the better his health should be and the more likely he'll have demonstrated his recovery by the deadline. I do not think that taking the best available deal now is a good idea.

[Wizop]

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[boomershadow]

Unfortunately, whether Vic has made a trade request isn't really the issue. I highly doubt that he has.

The Pacers kinda have to look at options if he hasn't signed an extension, though. Getting almost anything back would be better than letting him walk for nothing.

[Scoot McGroot]

Unfortunately, whether Vic has made a trade request isn't really the issue. I highly doubt that he has.

The Pacers kinda have to look at options if he hasn't signed an extension, though. Getting almost anything back would be better than letting him walk for nothing.

Almost carries a lot of weight there. There are cases where getting a bad player and/or a bad contract could hurt you more than a pick or two attached to it. And there could still be some value available via S&T in the off-season with his bird rights.

[Wizop]

there could still be some value available via S&T in the off-season with his bird rights.

I see no reason to do anything now. the situation will be clearer nearer the in-season deadline and as you say, we can always wait it all the way out.

[Topofthekey]

Vic's trade value is so low right now you aren't going to get too much in return if you trade him now. Trading him now is not that different from trading him in an S&T, in the sense that you're getting back minimal value. Might as well wait it out

[Wizop]

Vic's trade value is so low right now you aren't going to get too much in return if you trade him now. Trading him now is not that different from trading him in an S&T, in the sense that you're getting back minimal value. Might as well wait it out

We really don't know his trade value. We know what fans say on the trade forum and even what reporters say. We do not know what has been offered or even if actual discussions have occurred.

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[pacers33granger]

This is literally the exact same scenario to Paul George. How any Pacers fan doesn't see that is beyond me. Trade him now! I was screaming that about PG for a year, and when they didn't trade him at the deadline I knew they screwed up. Vic has changed a lot over the past few years, and he's all about himself now. Time to move on.

He very well may want out but some Pacer fans need to cool it with the PG comparisons and the hate on Vic. Vic may have changed since coming to Indy, but I highly doubt he's become as narcissistic as Paul. (Note - not taking a shot at you at all, but I've seen a lot of this sentiment lately).

We're talking about a guy who got upset that Indy "refused" to try to trade for AD and acted as if he did all this recruiting work for a small market franchise to just say "we can't afford him." A guy who did everything he could to force a trade for peanuts to LAL. A guy who finally made a formal trade request and then instructed his agent to publicize it and tank his value. A guy who signed a giant extension and had a party about it in OKC, then following a poor playoff showing conspires with a free agent to get a trade elsewhere.

Indy and OKC's trades of Paul worked out very well by chance, but make no mistake, Paul is on a different level of selfishness than most athletes. Vic hasn't shown any indications that he deserves that comparison.

Beyond that, his value sucks right now. I'd prefer to give it a shot for a year over a mid first or a guy who doesn't fit at all like Hayward.

[Topofthekey]

Is it realistic for Pacers to trade Vic and Domas and get Gobert and Lavine back?

I think it is, and I think the package that Pacers is sending out has more value than the package coming in, so Pacers may pick up some future picks in the deal as well?

I'm thinking of the following lineup

Gobert
Myles
Warren
Lavine
Brogdon

It's a lineup where players have much better defined roles

On defense, I feel very intrigued by a Gobert-Myles pairing at the 5 and 4

Gobert is a good positional defender, so he'll handle the Embiid/Drummond assignments, and Myles can provide help from the weak side

It may be an overkill, but I love the idea of having two elite shot blockers protecting the rim. These two aren't the plodding, immobile type of bigs either. Both are adequate perimeter defenders

On offense, there's a very clearly established hierarchy, with Lavine, Warren, and Brogdon being options A, B, and C respectively. No more hanging onto the ball thinking of what to do, players now know what the hierarchy is

Myles helps space the floor with his shooting, and Gobert is there for the putbacks and lobs and whatnot

Defensively, the main weakness of this lineup is obviously on the perimeter. The thinking is that Gobert and Myles' presence will more than make up for it. If it becomes too big a problem, maybe Brogdon can be replaced by FVV, who is a better defender

Offensively, Gobert being a non shooter is obviously the main weakness. But that's offset somewhat by Myles who's a good stretch big, and Lavine and Warren both being very good at creating/finding their own shots

If the team does hit a scoring drought during games, the HC can always try to energize the offense by opting to switch gears temporarily and go small for short stretches of the game, by subbing in a shooter like Doug or Aaron, or a sparkplug like Sumner, and also by "unleashing" Warren at the 4, by resting one of the bigs and bumping Warren to the 4

I think it may work

[Scoot McGroot]

Is it realistic for Pacers to trade Vic and Domas and get Gobert and Lavine back?

No.

That’s not realistic at this point, unless there really is bad blood between Gobert and Mitchell and they’re gonna deal Gobert ASAP. Also, I doubt Oladipo nets you Lavine right now, though he should long term. You certainly won’t be getting picks with those guys. You might get asked to pay picks in those deals.

But also, I don’t think you should at all be wanting those guys. Turner/Gobert as a big man pairing seems downright terrible offensively. Neither is good there. Both need to be set up completely by other players. But now they’d have to be setting each other up. And yet, Lavine won’t set them up. He’ll take every shot he can get on his own with no worry of supplying others.

Add in that Warren is also not a “create for others” kind of player, and I think you have an offense that’s easy to shut down (blanket Lavine and Warren with 3-4 guys and force Turner/Gobert/Brogdon to combine for 60 a night).

Also, are you ready to pay Gobert 4/132m on an extension? If not, he’s likely walking from Indy.