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23-7 wrote:Jvaughn wrote:23-7 wrote:
Jimmy
Jimmy is 6'7 with a 6'8 wingspan. Bane is 6'6 with a 6'4 wingspan. Literal alligator arms.
did I miss 2020 measurements?
spearsy23 wrote:Kobe is a low percentage chucker just like Jennings, he's just better at it.
teamCHItown wrote:Now we have threads on what violent felons think of our Bulls. Great. Next up, OJ Simpson's take on a possible Taj Gibson extension.
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rtblues wrote:Is there too much emphasis on age in the draft and are the older players drafted that succeed outliers, here's a look at the players 22 and older from 2016-2019 1st round, 2nd round and undrafted. Not all of course, only names that are still recognizable. Thoughts on this?
2019
Matisse Thybulle 22
Brandon Clarke 22
--2nd Rd
Cody Martin 23
Justin James 22
Eric Paschall 22
Admiral Schofield 22
--Undftd
Terence Davis 22
Tacko Fall 23
Caleb Martin 23
2018
Brandon Clarke 22
Grayson Allen 22
--2nd Rd
Jevon Carter 22
Devonte' Graham 23
Keita Bates-Diop 22
--Undftd
Duncan Robinson 24
2017
Justin Jackson 22
Derrick White 22
Josh Hart 22
--2nd Rd
Frank Mason 23
Semi Ojeleye 22
Jordan Bell 22
Damyean Dotson 23
Sterling Brown 22
Kadeem Allen 24
--Undftd
Chris Boucher 24
Isaiah Hicks 22
2016
Kris Dunn 22
Buddy Heild 23
Taurean Prince 22
Denzel Valentine 22
Pascal Siakam 22
--2nd Rd
Malcolm Brogdon 23
Georges Niang 23
Paul Zioser 22
--Undftd
Yogi Ferrell 23
Gary Payton II 23
Fred VanVleet 22
Ryan Arcidiacono 22
Alex Caruso 22
Shaquille Harrison 22
rtblues wrote:Is there too much emphasis on age in the draft and are the older players drafted that succeed outliers, here's a look at the players 22 and older from 2016-2019 1st round, 2nd round and undrafted. Not all of course, only names that are still recognizable. Thoughts on this?
These are important questions for the Kings. If either of the team’s shooting guards aren’t on the roster next season, it opens up the possibility for McNair to address the position in the draft.
Versatile enough to play the one or the two, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton is a player the Kings would have to think long and hard about, especially if he drops down to No. 12 where they select in the upcoming draft.
Here is a look at how Haliburton grades out as a prospect and some thoughts on whether he would work for the Kings when the draft rolls around on Nov. 18.
Stats
Stats: 15.2 points, 5.9 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 2.5 steaks, 50.4% FG, 41.9% 3-point FG
Age: 20 Height: 6-foot-5 Weight: 175 Wingspan: 6-foot-7.5
Haliburton is a lanky guard that has potential to play either the one or the two at the NBA level. He has a solid wingspan and a frame that can take on weight as he matures.
Despite being limited to just 22 games due to a wrist injury during his sophomore season at Iowa State, Haliburton made a major impression with his ability to do just about everything on the court.
He scored a career-high 25 points against Michigan in November and he managed to drop in a 22-point, 12-rebound, 10-assist triple-double against TCU in January. If he can stuff the stat sheet at the NBA level as he did at Iowa State, some team is going to get a steal.
Strengths
Versatility is probably Haliburton’s best quality. He can play either guard position and he’s also worked as both a primary offensive initiator and as an off-ball scorer.
Haliburton can put the ball in the bucket at all three levels. His shot is interesting, to say the least, but it goes in. He knocked down 42.6 percent from 3-point range over two seasons and he especially is efficient from the corners.
His jumper is solid, especially off the catch-and-shoot. He also has a floater and he is effective around the basket, shooting over 50 percent from the field overall.
While he can be flashy as a passer, he’s also very efficient. He finished last season with a 6.5-to-2.8 assist-to-turnover ratio and he doesn’t force the action. He has a natural feel for the game, good court vision and he makes his teammates better.
Haliburton posted an excellent 35.3 percent assist percentage, which is even more impressive when you consider his usage rate was only 20.1 percent. He basically posted the same assist percentage that De’Aaron Fox did this season for Sacramento with a 10 percent decrease in usage.
On the defensive end, Haliburton plays the passing lanes well and projects as a strong team defender. He’ll need to get stronger and tighten up his footwork, but he may also develop into an above-average individual defender.
Haliburton posted 2.5 steals per game and .7 blocks, which are both really good numbers for a point/combo guard. His 5.9 rebounds per game are well above average for his position as well.
Lastly, he is a leader on the court and one of the better interviews in the draft process. He comes across as a confident and mature player and there is a good chance he fits in well with an NBA locker room right away.
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The injury is a concern, although he’s had extra time to heal. There are also some concerns about the sustainability of his shooting numbers.
Haliburton has an unorthodox release, although he has a consistent shot point and he gets the ball out of his hands quickly. There are some flashes of former Kings shooting guard Kevin Martin in his mechanics or maybe even Shawn Marion.
While he shoots 82.2 percent from the line, he isn’t a player that draws or plays through contact. He averaged just two free throw attempts in 36.7 minutes per game, which will limit his ability to reach his scoring potential.
He’s a solid, but not elite athlete and he might struggle against some of the quicker points in the league. He also needs to get stronger if he hopes to hold off some of the bigger guards or help out on the switch against wings.
Haliburton's handles are solid, but he’ll need to improve to keep up with NBA defenders.
Fit with Kings
There is a lot to like about Haliburton. He might fit alongside Fox in the backcourt or as a combo guard off the bench for Sacramento if either Hield or Bogdanovic move on.
He brings a playmaking mindset the Kings could really use and his ability to run the break and find his teammates in transition is extremely impressive.
While he doesn’t play with the physicality that the Kings need, there is still a ton to like about Haliburton. He is a great communicator both on and off the court and he projects as another very high character player for a team working on their culture.
Whether Haliburton slides all the way down to No. 12 is also a major question. He’s interviewed with the Warriors, Knicks and Pistons, who all hold positions in the top eight. He would also have to get past teams like Washington and Phoenix, who both might be looking for guard help.
In a league where young combo guards like Tyler Herro and Donte DiVincenzo are making incredible impacts for high-level playoff teams, the Kings would be crazy not to select a similar player type in Haliburton if he falls to them.
JimmyJammer wrote:I have a feeling if a team like the Knicks ends up with Haliburton at #8, they will be doing backflips all over the Garden, because he could be the steal of the draft and potentially the best player as well.
JimmyJammer wrote:I saw and read this article on Halliburton, not knowing too much about the kid, and I got really excited to know that we might be in position to draft him. He might not be the new shiny and fancy toy, being that he was a sophomore, but he could be a repeat of the Donavan Mitchell's draft story. I have a feeling if a team like the Knicks ends up with Haliburton at #8, they will be doing backflips all over the Garden, because he could be the steal of the draft and potentially the best player as well.These are important questions for the Kings. If either of the team’s shooting guards aren’t on the roster next season, it opens up the possibility for McNair to address the position in the draft.
Versatile enough to play the one or the two, Iowa State’s Tyrese Haliburton is a player the Kings would have to think long and hard about, especially if he drops down to No. 12 where they select in the upcoming draft.
Here is a look at how Haliburton grades out as a prospect and some thoughts on whether he would work for the Kings when the draft rolls around on Nov. 18.
Stats
Stats: 15.2 points, 5.9 rebounds, 6.5 assists, 2.5 steaks, 50.4% FG, 41.9% 3-point FG
Age: 20 Height: 6-foot-5 Weight: 175 Wingspan: 6-foot-7.5
Haliburton is a lanky guard that has potential to play either the one or the two at the NBA level. He has a solid wingspan and a frame that can take on weight as he matures.
Despite being limited to just 22 games due to a wrist injury during his sophomore season at Iowa State, Haliburton made a major impression with his ability to do just about everything on the court.
He scored a career-high 25 points against Michigan in November and he managed to drop in a 22-point, 12-rebound, 10-assist triple-double against TCU in January. If he can stuff the stat sheet at the NBA level as he did at Iowa State, some team is going to get a steal.
Strengths
Versatility is probably Haliburton’s best quality. He can play either guard position and he’s also worked as both a primary offensive initiator and as an off-ball scorer.
Haliburton can put the ball in the bucket at all three levels. His shot is interesting, to say the least, but it goes in. He knocked down 42.6 percent from 3-point range over two seasons and he especially is efficient from the corners.
His jumper is solid, especially off the catch-and-shoot. He also has a floater and he is effective around the basket, shooting over 50 percent from the field overall.
While he can be flashy as a passer, he’s also very efficient. He finished last season with a 6.5-to-2.8 assist-to-turnover ratio and he doesn’t force the action. He has a natural feel for the game, good court vision and he makes his teammates better.
Haliburton posted an excellent 35.3 percent assist percentage, which is even more impressive when you consider his usage rate was only 20.1 percent. He basically posted the same assist percentage that De’Aaron Fox did this season for Sacramento with a 10 percent decrease in usage.
On the defensive end, Haliburton plays the passing lanes well and projects as a strong team defender. He’ll need to get stronger and tighten up his footwork, but he may also develop into an above-average individual defender.
Haliburton posted 2.5 steals per game and .7 blocks, which are both really good numbers for a point/combo guard. His 5.9 rebounds per game are well above average for his position as well.
Lastly, he is a leader on the court and one of the better interviews in the draft process. He comes across as a confident and mature player and there is a good chance he fits in well with an NBA locker room right away.
RELATED: 2020 NBA mock draft 17.0: Projecting first-round picks after lotteryWeaknesses
The injury is a concern, although he’s had extra time to heal. There are also some concerns about the sustainability of his shooting numbers.
Haliburton has an unorthodox release, although he has a consistent shot point and he gets the ball out of his hands quickly. There are some flashes of former Kings shooting guard Kevin Martin in his mechanics or maybe even Shawn Marion.
While he shoots 82.2 percent from the line, he isn’t a player that draws or plays through contact. He averaged just two free throw attempts in 36.7 minutes per game, which will limit his ability to reach his scoring potential.
He’s a solid, but not elite athlete and he might struggle against some of the quicker points in the league. He also needs to get stronger if he hopes to hold off some of the bigger guards or help out on the switch against wings.
Haliburton's handles are solid, but he’ll need to improve to keep up with NBA defenders.
Fit with Kings
There is a lot to like about Haliburton. He might fit alongside Fox in the backcourt or as a combo guard off the bench for Sacramento if either Hield or Bogdanovic move on.
He brings a playmaking mindset the Kings could really use and his ability to run the break and find his teammates in transition is extremely impressive.
While he doesn’t play with the physicality that the Kings need, there is still a ton to like about Haliburton. He is a great communicator both on and off the court and he projects as another very high character player for a team working on their culture.
Whether Haliburton slides all the way down to No. 12 is also a major question. He’s interviewed with the Warriors, Knicks and Pistons, who all hold positions in the top eight. He would also have to get past teams like Washington and Phoenix, who both might be looking for guard help.
In a league where young combo guards like Tyler Herro and Donte DiVincenzo are making incredible impacts for high-level playoff teams, the Kings would be crazy not to select a similar player type in Haliburton if he falls to them.
https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/kings-2020-nba-draft-targets-223204826.html
Jvaughn wrote:23-7 wrote:Jvaughn wrote:
Jimmy is 6'7 with a 6'8 wingspan. Bane is 6'6 with a 6'4 wingspan. Literal alligator arms.
did I miss 2020 measurements?
Not sure where they got it from, but every major scouting site (including nba.com) has had his wingspan listed as 6'4 for quite ahwile.
Chi town wrote:Deni is still my #1 but I’m really liking the idea of a 3 Guard lineup of Coby Lavine Hayes. Think all 3 could defend the Jaylen Brown wings of the league.
Billy mentioned the advantage OKC had w their 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Shroeder. I could see him working magic with Hayes. Hayes would have the highest IQ of Coby and Lavine. Best passer. Smart off the ball.
BullsFTW wrote:Chi town wrote:Deni is still my #1 but I’m really liking the idea of a 3 Guard lineup of Coby Lavine Hayes. Think all 3 could defend the Jaylen Brown wings of the league.
Billy mentioned the advantage OKC had w their 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Shroeder. I could see him working magic with Hayes. Hayes would have the highest IQ of Coby and Lavine. Best passer. Smart off the ball.
I agree with what you said about Hayes. He’s #1 on my board for the Bulls.
Chi town wrote:BullsFTW wrote:Chi town wrote:Deni is still my #1 but I’m really liking the idea of a 3 Guard lineup of Coby Lavine Hayes. Think all 3 could defend the Jaylen Brown wings of the league.
Billy mentioned the advantage OKC had w their 3 PG lineup of CP3, SGA, and Shroeder. I could see him working magic with Hayes. Hayes would have the highest IQ of Coby and Lavine. Best passer. Smart off the ball.
I agree with what you said about Hayes. He’s #1 on my board for the Bulls.
I know it’s about crunch time lineups but do you think one of the 3 could start at the 3? Would Lavine complain about defending 3s. I know his best PER last season was as a 3 but I think that was semantics not him actually playing the 3.
What if Hayes was the primary playmaker at PG? Coby ran off screens and played mostly off ball (he’d be primary backup PG). Zach was secondary playmaker at SG who defends SFs. Zachs best defending on ball.
Three 6’5 Combos that can all play on and off ball. All can create and distribute. All can shoot.
Would this be the next progression of the league? Not wings that can score but big Guards that can score and defend multiple positions. Makes sense to me.
What makes even more sense with this roster is how big we are up front w Lauri and Carter for the Lakers teams of the world.
Little Digger wrote:Edwards is going to slip
Little Digger wrote:Edwards is going to slip
CjayC wrote:Little Digger wrote:Edwards is going to slip
Will have to see to believe. I definitely don't believe anything coming out from teams or the press around draft season. Even if he doesn't go #1, I still don't think he slips past Charlotte at #3.