Official 2020 Nba Draft Thread

[LaSheed]

Trade Blake/Rose/#7 for Wiggins/#2.

[MotownMadness]

Trade Blake/Rose/#7 for Wiggins/#2.

That would be nice, total youth movement with cap and tank for Cunningham

[Billl]

I can't image GS gambling on Blake for wiggins, let alone swapping picks in that transaction. They have very little depth and they would be sending out a guy who shows up every night for a guy who can't

[The_Irony]

Trade luke to boston for 14 and 47

Draft okongwu or Wiseman at 7 and hampton at 14

An okongwu/wiseman wood front court would be a nice future. An athletic playmaking guard dying to lead a team guves the pistons an actual direction

[Crymson]

Trade Blake/Rose/#7 for Wiggins/#2.

That would be nice, total youth movement with cap and tank for Cunningham

Brought up a zillion times. Never going to happen. Wiggins has much more value to Golden State than Blake could. Pillory Wiggins all you want, but for the Warriors he's a trade-value superstar when compared to Griffin.

Every Pistons fan needs to accept the following: Griffin has miserable trade value. There's no guarantee that he'll ever be the same, and he's almost guaranteed to be injured every season anyway. When he isn't injured, he's a bad fit into any team on which he cannot be the unequivocal #1 ballhandler with the offense run entirely around him. And he's not good enough to be that for a team that has high aspirations. The Pistons would need to pay in order to get rid of him at all. That's reality. Accept it.

Trade luke to boston for 14 and 47

Draft okongwu or Wiseman at 7 and hampton at 14

An okongwu/wiseman wood front court would be a nice future. An athletic playmaking guard dying to lead a team guves the pistons an actual direction

Shouldn't we all be long part thinking about the frontcourt and more focused upon this roster's long-term, near-desperate lack of able personnel at point guard and on the wing? I mean, seriously: Van Gundy took the moronic path of packing the frontcourt with an archaic, expensive duo of Drummond and Griffin at the cost of utterly depleting what little strength on the wing the Pistons had. Today's league plays through point guards and athletic wings. And for that matter, shouldn't we all be long since over traditional centers? Like, honestly, can we as fans not learn from all of the abundant mistakes the organization has made over the past decade? Does all the failure suggest to people that the Pistons should continue along the same course?

Also, Wood is by far a better fit at center. Offensively speaking, he's the ideal modern center. At power forward he's a slow-footed perimeter defender who cannot participate as much in the play on offense.

Gerald Wallace is used as a comp for Okoro often.

An athletic forward who shoots a bad percentage on threes and rarely attempts them? Yeah, sounds about right. And that's why the Pistons should have no interest in Okoro. Everyone's chief concern---scouts included---is how bad his shot looks. Guys who shoot badly on threes in college AND have bad shooting form rarely improve substantively in the NBA. The Pistons CANNOT afford to draft yet another bad shooter high in the first round.

I also really wish people would leave off the notion of "culture" and "DEEEETROIIIIT basketball." Teams can only win on offense these days. Culture and defense won't win you games if you don't have scorers.

[Pharaoh]

Trade Blake/Rose/#7 for Wiggins/#2.

That would be nice, total youth movement with cap and tank for Cunningham

Brought up a zillion times. Never going to happen. Wiggins has much more value to Golden State than Blake could. Pillory Wiggins all you want, but for the Warriors he's a trade-value superstar when compared to Griffin.

Every Pistons fan needs to accept the following: Griffin has miserable trade value. There's no guarantee that he'll ever be the same, and he's almost guaranteed to be injured every season anyway. When he isn't injured, he's a bad fit into any team on which he cannot be the unequivocal #1 ballhandler with the offense run entirely around him. And he's not good enough to be that for a team that has high aspirations. The Pistons would need to pay in order to get rid of him at all. That's reality. Accept it.

Trade luke to boston for 14 and 47

Draft okongwu or Wiseman at 7 and hampton at 14

An okongwu/wiseman wood front court would be a nice future. An athletic playmaking guard dying to lead a team guves the pistons an actual direction

Shouldn't we all be long part thinking about the frontcourt and more focused upon this roster's long-term, near-desperate lack of able personnel at point guard and on the wing? I mean, seriously: Van Gundy took the moronic path of packing the frontcourt with an archaic, expensive duo of Drummond and Griffin at the cost of utterly depleting what little strength on the wing the Pistons had. Today's league plays through point guards and athletic wings. And for that matter, shouldn't we all be long since over traditional centers? Like, honestly, can we as fans not learn from all of the abundant mistakes the organization has made over the past decade? Does all the failure suggest to people that the Pistons should continue along the same course?

Also, Wood is by far a better fit at center. Offensively speaking, he's the ideal modern center. At power forward he's a slow-footed perimeter defender who cannot participate as much in the play on offense.

Gerald Wallace is used as a comp for Okoro often.

An athletic forward who shoots a bad percentage on threes and rarely attempts them? Yeah, sounds about right. And that's why the Pistons should have no interest in Okoro. Everyone's chief concern---scouts included---is how bad his shot looks. Guys who shoot badly on threes in college AND have bad shooting form rarely improve substantively in the NBA. The Pistons CANNOT afford to draft yet another bad shooter high in the first round.

I also really wish people would leave off the notion of "culture" and "DEEEETROIIIIT basketball." Teams can only win on offense these days. Culture and defense won't win you games if you don't have scorers.

Again there's this idea that culture and defense means your offense suffers - Miami say hi, as do the Nets pre Kyrie and KD.

Yes we are desperate for shooters, every team is. We're desperate for talent too and the right mindset!

If I can get a athletic wing, with plenty of talent, the right mindset, capable of defending 1 through 4 but his shot needs work? I'll take him.

All these kids in the top 7 have issues, none are finished products but as I've said I'm starting to believe Okoro won't be there and Hayes might not be either!

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[MotownMadness]

Trade Blake/Rose/#7 for Wiggins/#2.

That would be nice, total youth movement with cap and tank for Cunningham

Brought up a zillion times. Never going to happen. Wiggins has much more value to Golden State than Blake could. Pillory Wiggins all you want, but for the Warriors he's a trade-value superstar when compared to Griffin.

Every Pistons fan needs to accept the following: Griffin has miserable trade value. There's no guarantee that he'll ever be the same, and he's almost guaranteed to be injured every season anyway. When he isn't injured, he's a bad fit into any team on which he cannot be the unequivocal #1 ballhandler with the offense run entirely around him. And he's not good enough to be that for a team that has high aspirations. The Pistons would need to pay in order to get rid of him at all. That's reality. Accept it.

Trade luke to boston for 14 and 47

Draft okongwu or Wiseman at 7 and hampton at 14

An okongwu/wiseman wood front court would be a nice future. An athletic playmaking guard dying to lead a team guves the pistons an actual direction

Shouldn't we all be long part thinking about the frontcourt and more focused upon this roster's long-term, near-desperate lack of able personnel at point guard and on the wing? I mean, seriously: Van Gundy took the moronic path of packing the frontcourt with an archaic, expensive duo of Drummond and Griffin at the cost of utterly depleting what little strength on the wing the Pistons had. Today's league plays through point guards and athletic wings. And for that matter, shouldn't we all be long since over traditional centers? Like, honestly, can we as fans not learn from all of the abundant mistakes the organization has made over the past decade? Does all the failure suggest to people that the Pistons should continue along the same course?

Also, Wood is by far a better fit at center. Offensively speaking, he's the ideal modern center. At power forward he's a slow-footed perimeter defender who cannot participate as much in the play on offense.

Gerald Wallace is used as a comp for Okoro often.

An athletic forward who shoots a bad percentage on threes and rarely attempts them? Yeah, sounds about right. And that's why the Pistons should have no interest in Okoro. Everyone's chief concern---scouts included---is how bad his shot looks. Guys who shoot badly on threes in college AND have bad shooting form rarely improve substantively in the NBA. The Pistons CANNOT afford to draft yet another bad shooter high in the first round.

I also really wish people would leave off the notion of "culture" and "DEEEETROIIIIT basketball." Teams can only win on offense these days. Culture and defense won't win you games if you don't have scorers.

Settle down, I never said it was realistic or even put much thought into it aside from what I wrote

[LaSheed]

Yah I know GS would never do it.

I dont understand why Pistons fans wouldn't.

Ugh we sucks so bad and im tired of it.

[Crymson]

Again there's this idea that culture and defense means your offense suffers - Miami say hi, as do the Nets pre Kyrie and KD.

Miami led the league in TS% in the regular season. They were not a top-ten defense. They are nowhere near the best defense in the playoffs, but they remain extremely efficient on offense. I don't see the relevance of the Nets. Their 2018-2019 season was the first in which they'd made the playoffs since 2015, and they won only one more game in the regular season than did the Pistons squad that got wiped out by the Bucks. They likewise won a single game more than the Pistons in the playoffs on the way to their own first-round exit. They were not a good team.

Culture and defense don't mean that your offense suffers, but they're worth jack **** without a good offense. Miami's consummately efficient offense says hi. Any team that diverts from the construction of an effective offense toward the direction of culture and defense in today's NBA is asking to fail. Offense is king.

For the record, the winner of four out of the past five championships has been top-two in the playoffs in TS%. The Raptors were the sole exception, and their championship was only made possible thanks to Durant and Thompson prematurely exiting the Finals. Like it or not, today's NBA is an offense-first league. I understand why Pistons fans who pine for the days of the Bad Boys and Going to Work Pistons might dislike that fact, but it is what it is.

Yes we are desperate for shooters, every team is. We're desperate for talent too and the right mindset!

The Pistons have consistently lost on offense over the past decade. Offense has been the problem year after year. Part of that has been coaching, but much of it can be laid at the feet of bad roster construction on the offensive end. If the Pistons want to win, that's the area that must improve.

If I can get a athletic wing, with plenty of talent, the right mindset, capable of defending 1 through 4 but his shot needs work? I'll take him.

If his shot doesn't improve, he's not going to go far. An excellent scorer who plays bad defense will still be useful. Shooting is THE mandatory skill. And as I said, bad NCAA three-point shooters with broken shots are big risks. They don't often pan out.

All these kids in the top 7 have issues, none are finished products but as I've said I'm starting to believe Okoro won't be there and Hayes might not be either!

Sure, none of them is an all-around sure thing. That's a given. But Okoro himself is weakest on offense, which also happens to be the area in which the Pistons have themselves been constantly weak and remain so. Their need isn't a multi-positional defender. It's guys who can score.

Yah I know GS would never do it.

I dont understand why Pistons fans wouldn't.

Ugh we sucks so bad and im tired of it.

I'd rather be done with Griffin in two seasons than Wiggins in three, and I have no interest in moving up to draft LaMelo.

[Pharaoh]

I'm not advocating the Pistons focus on culture and defense at the expense of the offensive end.

Again, it appears people believe that to be true

The Heat are the example to follow, we used to be that without the location!

The Brooklyn reference is because they built over a few years into a up & coming team, gained respect, maintained cap flexibility and next thing you know...

We're so far away from being so far away we need to start somewhere! Building a identity begins now. No one player is going to influence what we stand for yet - it starts with the FO

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[The_Irony]

Trade luke to boston for 14 and 47

Draft okongwu or Wiseman at 7 and hampton at 14

An okongwu/wiseman wood front court would be a nice future. An athletic playmaking guard dying to lead a team guves the pistons an actual direction

Shouldn't we all be long part thinking about the frontcourt and more focused upon this roster's long-term, near-desperate lack of able personnel at point guard and on the wing? I mean, seriously: Van Gundy took the moronic path of packing the frontcourt with an archaic, expensive duo of Drummond and Griffin at the cost of utterly depleting what little strength on the wing the Pistons had. Today's league plays through point guards and athletic wings. And for that matter, shouldn't we all be long since over traditional centers? Like, honestly, can we as fans not learn from all of the abundant mistakes the organization has made over the past decade? Does all the failure suggest to people that the Pistons should continue along the same course?

Also, Wood is by far a better fit at center. Offensively speaking, he's the ideal modern center. At power forward he's a slow-footed perimeter defender who cannot participate as much in the play on offense.

I said vassell and rj in the other thread. Either scenario works for me.

[Crymson]

I said vassell and rj in the other thread. Either scenario works for me

Vassell hasn't shown indications that he can create for himself. RJ has his strengths, but he's a low-efficiency scorer against any respectable opposition; when given the opportunity to score, he does so on volume rather than efficiency. The Pistons need guys who can effectively create.

[The_Irony]

I said vassell and rj in the other thread. Either scenario works for me

Vassell hasn't shown indications that he can create for himself. RJ has his strengths, but he's a low-efficiency scorer against any respectable opposition; when given the opportunity to score, he does so on volume rather than efficiency. The Pistons need guys who can effectively create.

Who would you take at 7 and 14 if it were a possibility

[Crymson]

I said vassell and rj in the other thread. Either scenario works for me

Vassell hasn't shown indications that he can create for himself. RJ has his strengths, but he's a low-efficiency scorer against any respectable opposition; when given the opportunity to score, he does so on volume rather than efficiency. The Pistons need guys who can effectively create.

Who would you take at 7 and 14 if it were a possibility

I'm confident that Hayes will be available at #7. Very hard to predict what'll happen after #10, so I can't rightly say whom I'd take at that position.

I don't think Vassell would be a bad pick at #7, but I'd rather see the Pistons begin to accumulate guys who can handle and create.

[The Moose]

I think we take one of :

1. Wiseman
2. Okongwu
3. Hayes
4. Haliburton

[ByeByeDre]

If the BPA at 7 is a wing who can’t shoot, trade down. I’d rather teach Duncan Robinson how to play defense than Stanley Johnson how to shoot.

[Crymson]

I'm not advocating the Pistons focus on culture and defense at the expense of the offensive end.

Again, it appears people believe that to be true

The Heat are the example to follow, we used to be that without the location!

What is that example? The Heat only mimic the old Pistons in that they're a hardworking squad who play very well together. The similarity ends beyond that. They succeed on the force of an effective offensive scheme built around excellent three-point shooting, a unique two-way center, and a superstar wing. They play good defense as well, in part on the power of excellent coaching, but they win on offense. How does that resemble the Going to Work Pistons?

Like I said, those days are DEAD. You cannot win the way of those old teams anymore. Anybody looking for the Pistons to be built in the direction of those teams of old will end up disappointed, because no competent management would be crazy enough to try that.

The Brooklyn reference is because they built over a few years into a up & coming team, gained respect, maintained cap flexibility and next thing you know...

What's that got to do with anything? Did they have some special focus on defense and culture? No. They built as best they could without draft picks, then benefitted from being in New York City.

We're so far away from being so far away we need to start somewhere! Building a identity begins now. No one player is going to influence what we stand for yet - it starts with the FO

Again with this talk of identity and culture. What team builds that way? Teams rebuild to accumulate the proper young talent, not to build a particular culture.

[Pharaoh]

I'm not advocating the Pistons focus on culture and defense at the expense of the offensive end.

Again, it appears people believe that to be true

The Heat are the example to follow, we used to be that without the location!

What is that example? The Heat only mimic the old Pistons in that they're a hardworking squad who play very well together. The similarity ends beyond that. They succeed on the force of an effective offensive scheme built around excellent three-point shooting, a unique two-way center, and a superstar wing. They play good defense as well, in part on the power of excellent coaching, but they win on offense. How does that resemble the Going to Work Pistons?

Like I said, those days are DEAD. You cannot win the way of those old teams anymore. Anybody looking for the Pistons to be built in the direction of those teams of old will end up disappointed, because no competent management would be crazy enough to try that.

The Brooklyn reference is because they built over a few years into a up & coming team, gained respect, maintained cap flexibility and next thing you know...

What's that got to do with anything? Did they have some special focus on defense and culture? No. They built as best they could without draft picks, then benefitted from being in New York City.

We're so far away from being so far away we need to start somewhere! Building a identity begins now. No one player is going to influence what we stand for yet - it starts with the FO

Again with this talk of identity and culture. What team builds that way? Teams rebuild to accumulate the proper young talent, not to build a particular culture.

Successful teams have a identity dude!

At no point have I said I want to build a team focused on the defensive end but you keep pushing this idea that the phrase "culture" = defense.

What's the Heat culture like? We've heard all about that all playoffs - it's not defense first as you've pointed out so I got no idea why you seem to push that strawman out here so often.

Assuming we have Wood, keep Luke & Svi on the roster, can add a young shooter and a quality 2 way wing is that not a step in the right direction?

Comes down to coaching, developing our guys and system on both ends of the floor and creating a environment where working hard is the norm, not the exception!

We have zero identity, zero culture, zero brand! That needs to change and quick

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[JohnReese]

It is very difficult to predict anything since it is very likely that the Warriors trade the pick and they might not be the only ones.

[vic]

I just hope all the other GMs and Coaches forget what they are seeing in the Semifinals and Finals so they take all the offensive minded small guards and leave the two-way wings for the Pistons

This is considered a "weak draft" (no such thing) so I hope they can steal as many picks as possible from all the weaker GMs around the league. Give up D Rose, Luke, whoever.

1st Round
Okoro, Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Poku
2nd Round
Isaiah Joe, Desmond Bane, Xavier Tillman

I dont really care who plays point guard next year it could be Luke Kennard or Jordan Bone or SVI... dont care. I havent seen any of the so called "top PGs" in the league play in about a month.

I just want to see a team with 2-way high IQ passers and shooters not depending on 1 guy to set everybody up. 2 way players, high iq mobile bigs, that's a winning team today.