Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Flash4thewin]

But we have to get a big. Is Ibaka a FA?

Yes Ibaka is a free agent this summer. And one of the closet perfect complementary bigs to put next to Bam.

The Raps are looking at giving him a one year deal to keep cap space for a certain MVP. In order to compete would we be looking at the full mid level for 2/3 years?

Bam is having a break out super star year and is now eligible for an early contract. One cant talk about loyalty and talking care of players when we are basically telling someone to wait doesn’t sit right. Bam on a long term contract is more of a recruiting positive, we can make trades later. Last thing we would walk is Bam getting insulted and changing agents to Clutch. Butler has gone on the to say how a team pays you is how they value you. Just imagine how we would react if the Celtic didn’t extend Tatum, we would do everything to get in his ear talking about he is is not valued and respected and try to poach him.

[jaseda510]

Bam is having a break out super star year and is now eligible for an early contract. One cant talk about loyalty and talking care of players when we are basically telling someone to wait doesn’t sit right. Bam on a long term contract is more of a recruiting positive, we can make trades later. Last thing we would walk is Bam getting insulted and changing agents to Clutch. Butler has gone on the to say how a team pays you is how they value you. Just imagine how we would react if the Celtic didn’t extend Tatum, we would do everything to get in his ear talking about he is is not valued and respected and try to poach him.

Do the Heat still have a max slot to offer in 2021 if they decide to extend Bam early?

[twix2500]

Bam is having a break out super star year and is now eligible for an early contract. One cant talk about loyalty and talking care of players when we are basically telling someone to wait doesn’t sit right. Bam on a long term contract is more of a recruiting positive, we can make trades later. Last thing we would walk is Bam getting insulted and changing agents to Clutch. Butler has gone on the to say how a team pays you is how they value you. Just imagine how we would react if the Celtic didn’t extend Tatum, we would do everything to get in his ear talking about he is is not valued and respected and try to poach him.

Do the Heat still have a max slot to offer in 2021 if they decide to extend Bam early?

no

[AirP.]

One of the biggest advantages LA got over the Heat is rebounding and size. Close that gap this off-season.

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Do you think they will, Miami went into the season with only 1 big who is actually undersized but can rebound in Bam. I've been saying this for over a year now and I can see it I don't see how a NBA GM couldn't see it and address it. I've said it over and over throughout the year even when this team was doing well, they were razer thin at the one position that held their whole defense together. All Miami needs right now is a defensive center with size, something Leonard nor Olynyk aren't. Other than refusing to go into the 2021 cap space and sign Gallinari and add Noel, it's probably the biggest gripe I've had with this roster. This FO didn't believe in this roster enough to say lets go for it. Another defensive center like Noel would have made as big of a difference as Gallo would have. Hell, adding a J.Noah would have been a huge help especially now... you know, a vet defensive big who could rebound and pass, he was nearly the perfect vet min player to backup Bam and he was out there as a FA nearly all year.

From July 30th 2019...

I hope Miami finds a vet defensive center, if Bam goes out with an injury or gets in early foul trouble it's going to really hurt, maybe more so than any other player out there because of the depth.

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Although Butler is the best player on this team, just because of how the roster was constructed, Bam was the most important player because this team had some depth to handle Butler's loss, but no depth to handle Bam's loss.

Well you got to remember we are witnessing the evolution of Bam. We hoped he was going to improve but there was no way to know he was gonna improve at this high of rate. He had actually made a jump in the last playoff series. He probably made 4 or 5 different jumps this year. Remember the season started we celebrated when he was averaging 13 pts in November. By All-star break he cracked 16. He average 21 pts in the eastern conference finals. 13 to 21 is a jump that usually take a player multiple years to do.

I think the Heat felt they needed to find a second go-too player to pair with Butler. Even thou Bam made the all-star team, he wasn't displaying go-too player skill set. They were willing to trade for role players as long as it didn't hurt their chances of adding a go-too player next yr. During the playoffs we learned a number of unknowns. Goran still had go too player juice left, Bam evolving into a go too player, and Herro showed flashes of potentially becoming one. Nunn is still the big mystery. Nunn level of play went the opposite direction.

If the organization is sold on Bam and Herro as go-too players I think the Heat will lock down some quality complementary role players. Getting to the finals also makes a huge difference. I think organization will be ready to pull triggers on moves they were hesitant to do at the all-star break.

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This isn't about the "evolution" of Bam, I'm talking 100% about having a defensive backup for Bam when the whole defense is built around him. It's been beyond ridiculous not to have some type of backup for Bam, hence the reason about every few weeks I'd bring up not having a single backup defensive big on the roster and now on the biggest stage it's biting them in the a($.

[miamiballer]

Sign Giannis in 2021, continue to develop herro into pg duties

Bam
Giannis
Duncan
Butler
Herro

[HeatFanLifer]

We can't understate the importance of playoffs & finals experience for young players such as Duncan. He has been a disappointment but he's young & inexperienced. He'll gain toughness & experience moving forward. This is a guy who had imposter syndrome & believed he was out of the sport. It's a mental thing w/ him. This experience may prove valuable for him.

I’m not saying the guy does not have a bright future ahead, but the Heat may need a more seasoned and talented player as a starter to win a championship. Maybe even Kahwi.

A team that just made it to the Finals might win a championship if it acquires Kawhi and starts him over an undrafted rookie?

Send your resume to ESPN asap and report back Lifer. Sheesh

Two seperate thoughts Iggs. Heat may need a better player than Duncan to win a championship. I am speculating I see an opening for Kahwi to fill that role. ESPN must only accept poor resumes given the crap they produce so I would prolly get a job.

[IggieCC]

I’m not saying the guy does not have a bright future ahead, but the Heat may need a more seasoned and talented player as a starter to win a championship. Maybe even Kahwi.

A team that just made it to the Finals might win a championship if it acquires Kawhi and starts him over an undrafted rookie?

Send your resume to ESPN asap and report back Lifer. Sheesh

Two seperate thoughts Iggs. Heat may need a better player than Duncan to win a championship. I am speculating I see an opening for Kahwi to fill that role. ESPN must only accept poor resumes given the crap they produce so I would prolly get a job.

I'm in agreement that DRob will not be a long term solution at our starting 2 guard spot.

A lot can happen this off-szn and next szn, we're in a good position to upgrade our roster so I'm happy about that

[3ballbomber]

Question.....Would it affect Giannis decision to sign w/ us negatively if we win the finals? Perhaps the criticism of jumping to a Championship team wld weigh heavily on his mind. The last thing he wants is to be looked at as a Lebron or Kd.

Where as if we lose he'd be signing w/ a team whom has a hole that he can fill to help in acquiring a championship. It wld give him more a sense of purpose going to a team that he can help acquire a title.

[puppa bear]

Question.....Would it affect Giannis decision to sign w/ us negatively if we win the finals? Perhaps the criticism of jumping to a Championship team wld weigh heavily on his mind. The last thing he wants is to be looked at as a Lebron or Kd.

Where as if we lose he'd be signing w/ a team whom has a hole that he can fill to help in acquiring a championship. It wld give him more a sense of purpose going to a team that he can help acquire a title.

If we win, then it’s a team catching lightning in a bottle at the strangest time in the league. That’s not something anyone should look at view in the same light as KD.

If we go back to back, then a whole ‘nother story. To do that we’d be legit and Giannis would definitely be joining the team he can’t beat.

I don’t think we’re going back to back without a big offseason, so I’m not stressed about that. If Giannis is worried about public perception then he shouldn’t come. If he goes anywhere he’ll be hated, so there’s no right move for him that way except staying in a dead-end situation. If that’s his play, then he’s probably not of the right mettle for Heat basketball.

[Umbooki]

Depending on how things shake out, I’m kinda feeling Melo off of the bench. Am I buggin? Should I go back to sleep?

[RexBoyWonder]

Question.....Would it affect Giannis decision to sign w/ us negatively if we win the finals? Perhaps the criticism of jumping to a Championship team wld weigh heavily on his mind. The last thing he wants is to be looked at as a Lebron or Kd.

Where as if we lose he'd be signing w/ a team whom has a hole that he can fill to help in acquiring a championship. It wld give him more a sense of purpose going to a team that he can help acquire a title.

If we win, then it’s a team catching lightning in a bottle at the strangest time in the league. That’s not something anyone should look at view in the same light as KD.

If we go back to back, then a whole ‘nother story. To do that we’d be legit and Giannis would definitely be joining the team he can’t beat.

I don’t think we’re going back to back without a big offseason, so I’m not stressed about that. If Giannis is worried about public perception then he shouldn’t come. If he goes anywhere he’ll be hated, so there’s no right move for him that way except staying in a dead-end situation. If that’s his play, then he’s probably not of the right mettle for Heat basketball.

Let's just get this championship and worry about Giannis feelings later.

For me winning this ship > getting both Kawhi and Giannis in 2021

[BenoUdrihFTL]

I really love the rumor of getting Lowry and Ibaka and going all in for a chip next season, but...

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Just imagine that defense lol. I know there'd be offensive spacing concerns but if Bam can make the leap to respectable outside shooter, a Bam/Gobert frontcourt would be devastating. It would even open up new offensive schemes; imagine Bam creating on dribble-drive attacks from outside and having the option to throw lobs to a cutting Gobert...

[dolphinatik]

Al Horford?? for Meyers and Solomon Hill? Id really like to get Al on the min though or MLE

[3ballbomber]

Question.....Would it affect Giannis decision to sign w/ us negatively if we win the finals? Perhaps the criticism of jumping to a Championship team wld weigh heavily on his mind. The last thing he wants is to be looked at as a Lebron or Kd.

Where as if we lose he'd be signing w/ a team whom has a hole that he can fill to help in acquiring a championship. It wld give him more a sense of purpose going to a team that he can help acquire a title.

If we win, then it’s a team catching lightning in a bottle at the strangest time in the league. That’s not something anyone should look at view in the same light as KD.

If we go back to back, then a whole ‘nother story. To do that we’d be legit and Giannis would definitely be joining the team he can’t beat.

I don’t think we’re going back to back without a big offseason, so I’m not stressed about that. If Giannis is worried about public perception then he shouldn’t come. If he goes anywhere he’ll be hated, so there’s no right move for him that way except staying in a dead-end situation. If that’s his play, then he’s probably not of the right mettle for Heat basketball.

yeah, thought i'd ask the question as it may be an impact. We bank on the power & pull of Riles to execute his best most alluring meeting yet. This cld be the final whale & if it lands may be his farewell move as we go on, perhaps, our last championship run in the Godfather era.

[3ballbomber]

Question.....Would it affect Giannis decision to sign w/ us negatively if we win the finals? Perhaps the criticism of jumping to a Championship team wld weigh heavily on his mind. The last thing he wants is to be looked at as a Lebron or Kd.

Where as if we lose he'd be signing w/ a team whom has a hole that he can fill to help in acquiring a championship. It wld give him more a sense of purpose going to a team that he can help acquire a title.

If we win, then it’s a team catching lightning in a bottle at the strangest time in the league. That’s not something anyone should look at view in the same light as KD.

If we go back to back, then a whole ‘nother story. To do that we’d be legit and Giannis would definitely be joining the team he can’t beat.

I don’t think we’re going back to back without a big offseason, so I’m not stressed about that. If Giannis is worried about public perception then he shouldn’t come. If he goes anywhere he’ll be hated, so there’s no right move for him that way except staying in a dead-end situation. If that’s his play, then he’s probably not of the right mettle for Heat basketball.

Let's just get this championship and worry about Giannis feelings later.

For me winning this ship > getting both Kawhi and Giannis in 2021

you're just being greedy now

[RonaldSeikaly]

In a typical year the fact that we wouldn’t have had home court advantage would have been a very big deal. The mental stresses of playing in the bubble weakened teams without the culture/leadership we have. The extra training camp also helped us further develop young players as well as maximize the contribution from late adds (jae, iggy, hill).

Next year we can count of further development of bam, herro, and Robinson. But Robinson in particular I’m worried about... he looks timid and awkward, and the intensity of playoff defenses just removed the space he needs to operate. If he could be a neutral defender then great, but as is he may be our most valuable trade piece.

So what do we need

1) we need a defensive minded big. This would be Bam’s back in a small ball lineup or a starter in a traditional 2-big lineup. If the guy can shoot 3 pointers, then even better.
2) We need Robinson and Herro to get better at defense. We just can’t keep hiding them. Herro just needs to bulk up and he’d be fine. Duncan is more uncertain, but a specialist doesnt need to get more than 20 minutes a game.
3) we need to plan goran and Jimmy’s decline. Finding some projects, either with our pick, from dleague, or trade.

I also really like the lowry trade with ibaka at a discount. But it’s not clear how we end you then. Toronto is saving money for giannis, just like we are and wants to resign to massive 1 year deals.


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[Miami590]

I really love the rumor of getting Lowry and Ibaka and going all in for a chip next season, but...

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Just imagine that defense lol. I know there'd be offensive spacing concerns but if Bam can make the leap to respectable outside shooter, a Bam/Gobert frontcourt would be devastating. It would even open up new offensive schemes; imagine Bam creating on dribble-drive attacks from outside and having the option to throw lobs to a cutting Gobert...

This would be a possible option if we miss out on Giannis next year

[Miami590]

I have a hard time seeing Ibaka accepting a one year deal here when he could do the same in Toronto. We would need to give him a multi-year deal and that would hurt our 2021 cap space.

[3ballbomber]

But we have to get a big. Is Ibaka a FA?

Yes Ibaka is a free agent this summer. And one of the closet perfect complementary bigs to put next to Bam.

Do you have a list of FA's available? I get confused between 2020 & 2021 FA's

[RexBoyWonder]

But we have to get a big. Is Ibaka a FA?

Yes Ibaka is a free agent this summer. And one of the closet perfect complementary bigs to put next to Bam.

Do you have a list of FA's available? I get confused between 2020 & 2021 FA's

I don't really trust Ibaka for some reason. Especially long term.

But He's a free agent this summer, and he's exactly the type of big we would want next to Bam. A shooter C that also rebound and protect the rim, unlike Kelly.

I'd offer him a big 1 year deal, same for Dragic, let DJJ walk, and hope Crowder can be squeezed in.