2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[3toheadmelo]

what die ? you still act like julius randle is good. you're like trump, you just ignore the facts and pretend that everything is going well.

You still think Garland is good though

he wasn't this year but he still might be. i wouldn't bet on it though.

That’s like trump touting hydroxychloroquine for months and then won’t even take it or mention it since he got COVID

[god shammgod]

I think the "we shouldn't give Mitch a max contract cause it's hard to build around Cs with limited offense" is a valid point

I don't think anyone saying that is being consistent when they say we should then trade up and take Wiseman, cause his offensive game isn't that advanced either. He barely took any shots outside the paint, and cause we only have 3 games to dissect, that's not enough to say he has a jumper.

we could also just wait until the season happens to see if mitch has improved offensively but seemingly there's nothing else to talk about. so 3 more months of this i guess.

[god shammgod]

Makes perfect sense that D'Antoni goes to the Pacers, Rivers goes to the 76ers, and the Knicks wind up being on the outside looking in on various trades, getting LaMelo etc.

Just for once it would nice if the Knicks could get to the level of talent and respectability that they'd even be able to get IN on trades to make a difference to them, make them better.

Probably Rose and WWW wind up dry humping for a couple of years as the league has passed them by, and then they make some panic move for some washed up POS in year 3.

Good times.

i don't know what one thing has to do with the other. also, did the pacers hire d'antoni ?

Strong rumor they will hire D'Antoni.

They are related only in that other teams make coaching moves which will then trigger personnel moves, while Rose and WWW will be jacking off in the corner to their old resumes.

give them a chance, everything is just a rumor for now.

[stuporman]

step 1 : complain about Mitch-Wiseman argument

step 2 : engage in the Mitch-Wiseman argument

step 3 : profit

[thebuzzardman]

i don't know what one thing has to do with the other. also, did the pacers hire d'antoni ?

Strong rumor they will hire D'Antoni.

They are related only in that other teams make coaching moves which will then trigger personnel moves, while Rose and WWW will be jacking off in the corner to their old resumes.

give them a chance, everything is just a rumor for now.

I was just attempting to make you visualize Leon Rose masturbating to an 8x11 printed paper.

Hey now! Not a comment you'd expect every day in the draft topic!

[3toheadmelo]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

[god shammgod]

step 1 : complain about Mitch-Wiseman argument

step 2 : engage in the Mitch-Wiseman argument

step 3 : profit

i got the first 2 down. the 3rd one is elusive.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Can we all agree that we either make no projections on what a player can do in the future if he hasn't shown he can right now or we allow everyone to make projections on every player in terms of what they can do in the future even if he hasn't shown he can right now?

Some of you guys that are making arguments AGAINST player A can't being able to do something in the future cause he hasn't shown he can it so far then turn around and basically use the same argument FOR player B being able to do something in the future even though he too hasn't shown he is able to do it thus far.

Just very hypocritical. And yes. You are. You are. And you guys aren't even noticing it. The proof? Just go back and slowly read through these arguments. Oh I know...boo! Boo!! That's not true!

Of course everyone can make projections. But we can still disagree about those projections. It's what a lot of the conversations are based upon. Even if I don't agree, I could def be wrong and like seeing all points of views. In terms of projections it's always helpful to see where they are coming from too.

[thebuzzardman]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

I'll you this statement to make my final comment on Mitch. Well, actually, I'll probably make dozens of more comments to try to annoy Shammgod.

Mitch is very good right now.
Mitch has possible upside.
Mitch might not reach his upside as well.
Mitch is useful not developing one iota more. To a good team, or any team.
It's also true to note that paying Mitch too much would be a mistake.
It's also disingenuous when people put forth he'll get paid exactly like Capella or to the tune of 15 million per.
The Knicks can just keep paying Mitch peanuts for another year.
I guess people can be free to debate whether the Knicks are better off paying Mitch 7 million vs 10 million, if they must.

[mpharris36]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

I mean improving free throw % is a legit improvement, no matter what the competition is.

I been watching him since he was high school though.. so I guess I believe in his game more than you guys. I think he is legit. The flashes of moves he has shown is why he was the consensus #1 player out of high school. He’s gonna be a unicorn imo.

I mean in the first 4 games of the year Mitch shot 82% from the FT line.

Then after that he never shot above 59% from the line in any month the rest of the way.

I'm just saying in 3 games anything can happen.

I'm not even saying he will be bad (he will probably be a pretty good player because if you mix that size and length with + athleticism its tough not to be successful). But I don't think we have enough evidence in terms of jump shooting yet that we can definitively say he can be a "unicorn".

[stuporman]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

The player with the best single season FG% in history and had the best TS% in the league last year is 0 offense? That take shows 0 intelligence....

[mpharris36]

I think the "we shouldn't give Mitch a max contract cause it's hard to build around Cs with limited offense" is a valid point

I don't think anyone saying that is being consistent when they say we should then trade up and take Wiseman, cause his offensive game isn't that advanced either. He barely took any shots outside the paint, and cause we only have 3 games to dissect, that's not enough to say he has a jumper.

solid post. I agree with all of it.

[god shammgod]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

The player with the best single season FG% in history and had the best TS% in the league last year is 0 offense? That take show 0 intelligence....

good. more yelling at that guy. do another one.

[god shammgod]

this is what thibs says

“What he did last year was put a lot of pressure on the rim. He’s an incredible athlete,” Thibodeau said. “But we don’t want to put a ceiling on him. We want to continue to work on all aspects of his game and develop.”

so they're planning on him doing more. deal with it.

[3toheadmelo]

I simply can't make a definitive statement either way on what wiseman could be. But we know he is a good athlete, he has great length, and should at minimum be a threat as a rim runner and rim protecter with really good rebounding.

I just simply can't make a definitive comment that he "improved" his weaknesses on a 3 game sample size (mostly against horrendous competition). You can take anybody's 3 game sample size and they could show ridiculous numbers. The man played less than 70 minutes at the college level.

I have no idea how anyone can make a definitive statement on him at this point. But that is just me. I don't love using high school numbers but that is the largest sample size you have. There is so much unknown.

I mean improving free throw % is a legit improvement, no matter what the competition is.

I been watching him since he was high school though.. so I guess I believe in his game more than you guys. I think he is legit. The flashes of moves he has shown is why he was the consensus #1 player out of high school. He’s gonna be a unicorn imo.

I mean in the first 4 games of the year Mitch shot 82% from the FT line.

Then after that he never shot above 59% from the line in any month the rest of the way.

I'm just saying in 3 games anything can happen.

I'm not even saying he will be bad (he will probably be a pretty good player because if you mix that size and length with + athleticism its tough not to be successful). But I don't think we have enough evidence in terms of jump shooting yet that we can definitively say he can be a "unicorn".

Ok fair enough. I’m going by the eye test tho. Not much bigs can pull off these moves. He’s hitting ridiculous step back’s, fadeaways, driving to the rim. I know what he’s capable of. I’ll bet on him being a 20/10 guy. I could be wrong but that’s what I believe he’ll be imo.

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[stuporman]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

The player with the best single season FG% in history and had the best TS% in the league last year is 0 offense? That take show 0 intelligence....

good. more yelling at that guy. do another one.

No yelling.... just calm facts dispensing.....with mellow snark.

[Deeeez Knicks]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

Raw bigs develop all the time. Even more recently John Collins didnt even attempt a 3 in college and avg 7.3ppg as a freshmen is now hitting over a 3 a game and almost 20ppg

[3toheadmelo]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

The player with the best single season FG% in history and had the best TS% in the league last year is 0 offense? That take shows 0 intelligence....

I am assuming you never watched a Knicks game the past 2 years. Mitch’s FG% is high because he only does wide open dunks.
Deandre Jordan also had averaged 71% FG in one season. Pretty sure no one here thinks Jordan can hit jumpers. So your take shows -100 intelligence

[HEZI]

Robinson averaged 5.6 FGA and 9.7 PPG in 23 MPG. Lets calm down about his FG%. He can dunk, that's as far as his offense goes

[3toheadmelo]

There’s no rim runner in basketball history that has went from 0 offense to being a threat on offense. You guys are betting with no odds in your favor. It’s like saying Clint Capela is gonna start hitting jump shots. Lol

Raw bigs develop all the time. Even more recently John Collins didnt even attempt a 3 in college and avg 7.3ppg as a freshmen is now hitting over a 3 a game and almost 20ppg

I was big on John Collins coming out of college while everyone else was slurping Zach Collins. John as a sophomore was a great scorer and averaged like 20 PPG. He didn’t get much minutes as a fresh man.