OT Bears 2019/20 season

[the ultimates]

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I bet you somebody can give the same breakdown of Trubisky when he's had critical throws in late-game drives. He dd it last year in the second game of the season against Denver. He did it in the first game this season against the Lions. This was definitely a good play from Foles but he like Trubisky he missed simple reads and was inaccurate on easy throws like the third and two to a wide-open Robinson. Now neither Trubisky or Foles are the long term answer at quarterback. For me, through two games the biggest difference between the quarterbacks is that Trubisky will scramble more than Foles.

[Dresden]

I haven't been able to watch a lot of Bears games, living on the west coast, but what I have seen of Mitch and now Foles makes me much more comfortable with Foles behind center. Trubisky just looked so inept so many times. Unable to sustain drives, unable to finish them. Unable to make something out of nothing. It's only been a game and a half for Foles, so we'll see, I may end up changing my mind. But right now Foles just inspires a lot more confidence. Could be because he is the shiny new toy right now. We'll see....

[dougthonus]

I bet you somebody can give the same breakdown of Trubisky when he's had critical throws in late-game drives. He dd it last year in the second game of the season against Denver. He did it in the first game this season against the Lions. This was definitely a good play from Foles but he like Trubisky he missed simple reads and was inaccurate on easy throws like the third and two to a wide-open Robinson. Now neither Trubisky or Foles are the long term answer at quarterback. For me, through two games the biggest difference between the quarterbacks is that Trubisky will scramble more than Foles.

I'm not a fan of Trubisky, but I can't sit back and say Foles has been much better. His lack of mobility really hurts him and his accuracy hasn't been so much better that it more than makes up for it. He's a little more accurate, a little better decision maker, but a lot less mobile, and I think that kind of balances out.

Right now he has a considerably worse QBR and Rating on the season than Trubisky, but he has started against two much tougher defenses as well.

[Dieselbound&Down]

The Bears third win after trailing by double digits. The only other Bears team to do that in the first 5 games of the year was 1985.

It's happening folks.

[dougthonus]

The Bears third win after trailing by double digits. The only other Bears team to do that in the first 5 games of the year was 1985.

It's happening folks.

Foles can probably play the role of Jim McMahon if the Bears defense can be historically good. Sadly, we are missing a Walter Payton though.

[Jeffster81]

James Daniels is officially done for the year.

[transplant]

The Foles thing needs more time. Trubisky was pounded for every inaccurate throw. Foles has had more than a handful of inaccurate throws in his 2+ games. Both QBs have made great clutch throws that helped win games.

They’re 4-1. Their defense looks like it’s coming around and will keep them in most games. The offense is still clearly below average and their run game sucks...not much has changed on that side of the ball. In Nick we trust...’cause we have to.

[the ultimates]

I bet you somebody can give the same breakdown of Trubisky when he's had critical throws in late-game drives. He dd it last year in the second game of the season against Denver. He did it in the first game this season against the Lions. This was definitely a good play from Foles but he like Trubisky he missed simple reads and was inaccurate on easy throws like the third and two to a wide-open Robinson. Now neither Trubisky or Foles are the long term answer at quarterback. For me, through two games the biggest difference between the quarterbacks is that Trubisky will scramble more than Foles.

I'm not a fan of Trubisky, but I can't sit back and say Foles has been much better. His lack of mobility really hurts him and his accuracy hasn't been so much better that it more than makes up for it. He's a little more accurate, a little better decision maker, but a lot less mobile, and I think that kind of balances out.

Right now he has a considerably worse QBR and Rating on the season than Trubisky, but he has started against two much tougher defenses as well.

Foles has faced better defenses but somethings have to be put into perspective. The colts defense is good but Indy played the Jaguars, Vikings and Jets. None of those are good offensive teams with Minnesota's struggles this season being the most surprising. Tampa Bay gave up three touchdowns and almost 300 yards passing to a rookie QB in Herbert.

[dougthonus]

Foles has faced better defenses but somethings have to be put into perspective. The colts defense is good but Indy played the Jaguars, Vikings and Jets. None of those are good offensive teams with Minnesota's struggles this season being the most surprising. Tampa Bay gave up three touchdowns and almost 300 yards passing to a rookie QB in Herbert.

I agree that I'm not sold on either Indy or Tampa having elite defenses, but certainly would expect them to be better than the Lions, Giants, Falcons.

[CBS7]

I didn't have a problem with Nagy's playcalling at the end of the game. He took a chance to end the game and not give the ball back to Brady at all, or less ideally attempt to get an easier FG for our kicker. I actually was hoping they wouldn't settle for a couple of safe runs. We couldn't get anything going on the ground all day, a couple of runs could have potentially even gone backwards.

Santos isn't automatic from anywhere, much less from 40+. I know he made a long one earlier, but that just makes me (unreasonably) feel he was due for a miss.

Worst case scenario, trust in the defense, which was balling out.

[NZB2323]

man Allen Robinson needs trip to the Bad Body language doctor. That guy looked so disinterested in the huddle. Like no one talked to him. Just stands there in the huddle a foot away from everyone with arms on hips looking pissed.

I get not wanting Turbisky, but you're bad attitude has be to be affecting that locker room. I'd trade him him, we can get someone else to catch passes. He looks toxic to me.


Great when they interviewed Mack afterwards. Foles was still on field and he pointed to him and was all about "Big Nicky"

so that tell me they know his nickname in that locker room and they are starting to believe it....

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Well, you know what they say, seeing is believing.

We play the Panthers next week. We don’t face Green Bay until November 29th.

[Dresden]

I bet you somebody can give the same breakdown of Trubisky when he's had critical throws in late-game drives. He dd it last year in the second game of the season against Denver. He did it in the first game this season against the Lions. This was definitely a good play from Foles but he like Trubisky he missed simple reads and was inaccurate on easy throws like the third and two to a wide-open Robinson. Now neither Trubisky or Foles are the long term answer at quarterback. For me, through two games the biggest difference between the quarterbacks is that Trubisky will scramble more than Foles.

I'm not a fan of Trubisky, but I can't sit back and say Foles has been much better. His lack of mobility really hurts him and his accuracy hasn't been so much better that it more than makes up for it. He's a little more accurate, a little better decision maker, but a lot less mobile, and I think that kind of balances out.

Right now he has a considerably worse QBR and Rating on the season than Trubisky, but he has started against two much tougher defenses as well.

The difference in accuracy between the two is about the same as the difference in QBR between the two, with former in Foles favor, the latter in Mitch's favor. So if you want to say that Foles has a "considerably worse" QBR, then you have to say Mitch is "considerably less accurate" as well.

But the real difference between the two is that Mitch has been in this system for 3 years now, while Foles has been here for 5 games, and just 2 as a starter. I think we need to see how Nick does over the rest of this season to make an accurate comparison between the two, but as long as he stays healthy, I'd be surprised if Foles doesn't improve over the course of the season as he gets more familiar with the offense.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

James Daniels is officially done for the year.

That blows. He worked his butt off this offseason and was turning into a really good player.

[CjayC]

It's more about what Foles is seeing, and what Trubisky didn't see. I have faith that Foles will get on the same page with his receivers eventually and the accuracy improving. That wheel route to Monty, maybe Trubs sees it 1/10 times(And that might be a bit kind to him).

A-Rob alluded to some other things in the game as well. Confidence at the line, checking in & out plays, coaching on the field. Basically his understanding of reading defenses is more advanced than what Mitch offers.

[the ultimates]

It's more about what Foles is seeing, and what Trubisky didn't see. I have faith that Foles will get on the same page with his receivers eventually and the accuracy improving. That wheel route to Monty, maybe Trubs sees it 1/10 times(And that might be a bit kind to him).

A-Rob alluded to some other things in the game as well. Confidence at the line, checking in & out plays, coaching on the field. Basically his understanding of reading defenses is more advanced than what Mitch offers.

When Cohen had a breakout season one of his best plays was a wheel route against linebackers that Trubisky usually delivered. The chemistry argument is something I don't get. Foles wasn't missing receivers badly because there was a miscommunication or a receiver saw a coverage different from a quarterback. Three plays immediately come to mind. Against the Colts Mooney runs an out route to the left sideline Foles clearly missed him by five yards despite Mooney having at least two yards of separation. Last night when Mooney cooked Davis yet Foles under threw the pass by at least ten yards. Then the third and two rollout to Robinson which Foles didn't even give him a chance on it was thrown so poorly.

So that's three plays off the top of my head where the receiver runs the right route and is where he's supposed to be and Foles clearly identifies them yet makes a bad throw. Those are the types of throws and plays that should be converted and have nothing to do with chemistry. Those are plays Trubisky left on the field. The guy replacing him shouldn't be making those same mistakes.

[dougthonus]

The difference in accuracy between the two is about the same as the difference in QBR between the two, with former in Foles favor, the latter in Mitch's favor. So if you want to say that Foles has a "considerably worse" QBR, then you have to say Mitch is "considerably less accurate" as well.

But the real difference between the two is that Mitch has been in this system for 3 years now, while Foles has been here for 5 games, and just 2 as a starter. I think we need to see how Nick does over the rest of this season to make an accurate comparison between the two, but as long as he stays healthy, I'd be surprised if Foles doesn't improve over the course of the season as he gets more familiar with the offense.

Not an expert in advanced NFL stats, but found this interesting:
Trubisky: 24.4% bad throws, 66.3% on target throws
Foles: 12.6% bad throws, 47.7% on target throws
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2020_advanced.htm

So Foles makes less bad throws and good throws and has more average throws?

For all the talk of Foles airing the ball out more, he has low average air yards per throw, lower average yards per completion, lower average air yards per completion than Trubisky. Maybe he will be able to add more vertical passing to the team as time goes on, but that hasn't born out in the stats yet. Pretty small sample size for both guys still though.

[Chi town]

Foles has faced better defenses but somethings have to be put into perspective. The colts defense is good but Indy played the Jaguars, Vikings and Jets. None of those are good offensive teams with Minnesota's struggles this season being the most surprising. Tampa Bay gave up three touchdowns and almost 300 yards passing to a rookie QB in Herbert.

I agree that I'm not sold on either Indy or Tampa having elite defenses, but certainly would expect them to be better than the Lions, Giants, Falcons.

They have elite run defenses. This kills the Bears right now as Foles gets reps and up to speed.

[Jeffster81]

Foles has faced better defenses but somethings have to be put into perspective. The colts defense is good but Indy played the Jaguars, Vikings and Jets. None of those are good offensive teams with Minnesota's struggles this season being the most surprising. Tampa Bay gave up three touchdowns and almost 300 yards passing to a rookie QB in Herbert.

I agree that I'm not sold on either Indy or Tampa having elite defenses, but certainly would expect them to be better than the Lions, Giants, Falcons.

They have elite run defenses. This kills the Bears right now as Foles gets reps and up to speed.

It doesn't help that the RB for the Bears can go 0-60mph in four months and has the elusiveness of an elephant.

[CBS7]

Foles hasn't looked better than Trubisky but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's gone against 2 great defenses.

[CjayC]

It's more about what Foles is seeing, and what Trubisky didn't see. I have faith that Foles will get on the same page with his receivers eventually and the accuracy improving. That wheel route to Monty, maybe Trubs sees it 1/10 times(And that might be a bit kind to him).

A-Rob alluded to some other things in the game as well. Confidence at the line, checking in & out plays, coaching on the field. Basically his understanding of reading defenses is more advanced than what Mitch offers.

When Cohen had a breakout season one of his best plays was a wheel route against linebackers that Trubisky usually delivered. The chemistry argument is something I don't get. Foles wasn't missing receivers badly because there was a miscommunication or a receiver saw a coverage different from a quarterback. Three plays immediately come to mind. Against the Colts Mooney runs an out route to the left sideline Foles clearly missed him by five yards despite Mooney having at least two yards of separation. Last night when Mooney cooked Davis yet Foles under threw the pass by at least ten yards. Then the third and two rollout to Robinson which Foles didn't even give him a chance on it was thrown so poorly.

So that's three plays off the top of my head where the receiver runs the right route and is where he's supposed to be and Foles clearly identifies them yet makes a bad throw. Those are the types of throws and plays that should be converted and have nothing to do with chemistry. Those are plays Trubisky left on the field. The guy replacing him shouldn't be making those same mistakes.

You aren't wrong. The Mooney and A-Rob misses were infuriating. In his defense I think the Mooney miss he was under pressure or being hit as he delivered it, but he still needs to nail those. The miss on the bubble near the LOS was horrible. The back shoulder that was intercepted I feel like that's something that could be cleaned up through better chemistry. That said, I trust his accuracy & reads throughout the game way more than Mitch from what I've seen.