2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[Worst_to_First]

You're ok with Mitch getting Clint Capela money, he absolutely needs to be able to score if he's getting that kind of money. If he cant you're better off going with a low salary center and spending that money on guards & wings.

Not a single one of the conference finalists had a center like Mitch making Capela money, that is what you all keep missing. A center making Clint Capela money is a net negative in the current NBA if they cannot score. I'd rather have KAT and all his awful defense than Gobert, because I'd be able to put players around KAT that can hide him, I'd even run zone.

On a per-36 min basis, Mitch averages 15pts, which is actually pretty good considering we haven't had passable PG play

I don't get how you can say that a player making Capela $ is a net negative. Do you have any evidence to back you up on this or are you just making a fictitious claim? Advanced stats prove that Capela and Mitch are winning players, those are the types of players who are typically valuable and worthy of paying.

Capela $$$ and a MAX contract are very different. it's only ~16% of the cap which is pretty reasonable for a starter

Those are per 36 numbers against mostly 2nd units, he's not going to average 16ppg with starters against other starting defenses.


Because that's $18 million that could be going to a skilled player, the fact that the Rockets got such terrible offers for Capela should tell you all you need to know. You can say it's a fiction, but the market for Capela was bad, case in point the Celtics could have traded for him, why didn't they? Advanced stats loved & still love Andre Drummond, all of those acronym stats paint Drummond out to being a winning player, we all know he's not.

I'd rather have a center like Theis on $5 million per year, than a center like Capela or Mitch for $18 million, because it means I'm probably spending my money somewhere else.

Mitch would make a good case on how to look at advanced stats.

[Chanel Bomber]

Don’t let the fact that Mitchell Robinson is severely overrated by 99% of Knick fans distract you from the main goal......

Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!!

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[Worst_to_First]

Don’t let the fact that Mitchell Robinson is severely overrated by 99% of Knick fans distract you from the main goal......

Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!!

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

[TheGreenArrow]

Don’t let the fact that Mitchell Robinson is severely overrated by 99% of Knick fans distract you from the main goal......

Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!!

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

[Chanel Bomber]

Don’t let the fact that Mitchell Robinson is severely overrated by 99% of Knick fans distract you from the main goal......

Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!!

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

KP just got surgery on his knee. Dallas might miss the playoffs next year if his health problems persist, meaning the pick could fall in the lottery. With next year's draft being stacked and this year's draft being weak af, I think it would be incredibly shortsighted to trade next year's Dallas unprotected pick AND Mitch for a player who shot 37% in the Australian league and probably wouldn't be a top 5 pick in a good draft.

[god shammgod]

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

KP just got surgery on his knee. Dallas might miss the playoffs next year if his health problems persist, meaning the pick could fall in the lottery. With next year's draft being stacked and this year's draft being weak af, I think it would be incredibly shortsighted to trade next year's Dallas unprotected pick AND Mitch for a player who shot 37% in the Australian league and probably wouldn't be a top 5 pick in a good draft.

don't worry, we aint doing it folks!
we aint doing it!

[TheGreenArrow]

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

KP just got surgery on his knee. Dallas might miss the playoffs next year if his health problems persist, meaning the pick could fall in the lottery. With next year's draft being stacked and this year's draft being weak af, I think it would be incredibly shortsighted to trade next year's Dallas unprotected pick AND Mitch for a player who shot 37% in the Australian league and probably wouldn't be a top 5 pick in a good draft.

We have to give to get, so one of those 21 firsts would have to go and I’d rather trade the Dallas pick. Luka alone will make Dallas a top 4 seed at minimum with or without porzingis so don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Lamelo is worth it and hopefully leon/www think so too.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The 2021 picks are off limits, that draft is too deep with players, and you could see guys who are in prep school now reclassifying to their original class to enter the draft because of covid. So, nah, those are untouchable.

[Chanel Bomber]

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

KP just got surgery on his knee. Dallas might miss the playoffs next year if his health problems persist, meaning the pick could fall in the lottery. With next year's draft being stacked and this year's draft being weak af, I think it would be incredibly shortsighted to trade next year's Dallas unprotected pick AND Mitch for a player who shot 37% in the Australian league and probably wouldn't be a top 5 pick in a good draft.

We have to give to get, so one of those 21 firsts would have to go and I’d rather trade the Dallas pick. Luka alone will make Dallas a top 4 seed at minimum with or without porzingis so don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Lamelo is worth it and hopefully leon/www think so too.

Dallas made the playoffs as the 7th seed. Their position in the West is more fragile than you make it out to be, especially when you consider that Luka's supporting cast is really terrible outside of KP. KP misses significant time and they're in real danger of missing the playoffs.

We have to give to get yes, my point is why would you give away anything of significant value for a guy who shot 37% in the Australian league? He might not even reach .350 FG% in the NBA.

[TheGreenArrow]

KP just got surgery on his knee. Dallas might miss the playoffs next year if his health problems persist, meaning the pick could fall in the lottery. With next year's draft being stacked and this year's draft being weak af, I think it would be incredibly shortsighted to trade next year's Dallas unprotected pick AND Mitch for a player who shot 37% in the Australian league and probably wouldn't be a top 5 pick in a good draft.

We have to give to get, so one of those 21 firsts would have to go and I’d rather trade the Dallas pick. Luka alone will make Dallas a top 4 seed at minimum with or without porzingis so don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Lamelo is worth it and hopefully leon/www think so too.

Dallas made the playoffs as the 7th seed. Their position in the West is more fragile than you make it out to be, especially when you consider that Luka's supporting cast is really terrible outside of KP. KP misses significant time and they're in real danger of missing the playoffs.

We have to give to get yes, my point is why would you give away anything of significant value for a guy who shot 37% in the Australian league? He might not even reach .350 FG% in the NBA.

Keyword is “might” we don’t know for sure that’s what makes him so intriguing,if he becomes respectable from 3 combined with his generational passing He’s a sure fire franchise changer.

Giving something small like Mitch and the Dallas 21pick which will be in the 20s is totally worth it imo.

[thebuzzardman]

Looking around on other boards for outside more objective opinions, fans often see Mitch as a Nerlens Noel type of player.

Pretty true, except for one small fact.

Mitch is actually good, while Nerlens Noel sucks.

Oh, and Mitch was drafted in the 2nd round, and Noel was a lottery pick, which makes Noel suck even worse.

But, it all doesn't matter, as Mitch will get traded and have a nice career elsewhere. While the Knicks will draft yet another bust.

[Infinitimind]

Don’t let the fact that Mitchell Robinson is severely overrated by 99% of Knick fans distract you from the main goal......

Lamelo Ball Folks Lamelo Ball!!!!!!!!

LaMelo Ball ultimately going number 1 though and I don't think we have a deal that would entice the TWolves unless we are willing to give up an unprotected 2021 first round pick.

Mitch and both Dallas picks probably could get it done.

LaMelo not a cant miss prospect, he’s as flaw as they come . I’ll keep Mitch and take Okoro thanks

[Chanel Bomber]

We have to give to get, so one of those 21 firsts would have to go and I’d rather trade the Dallas pick. Luka alone will make Dallas a top 4 seed at minimum with or without porzingis so don’t delude yourself into thinking otherwise.

Lamelo is worth it and hopefully leon/www think so too.

Dallas made the playoffs as the 7th seed. Their position in the West is more fragile than you make it out to be, especially when you consider that Luka's supporting cast is really terrible outside of KP. KP misses significant time and they're in real danger of missing the playoffs.

We have to give to get yes, my point is why would you give away anything of significant value for a guy who shot 37% in the Australian league? He might not even reach .350 FG% in the NBA.

Keyword is “might” we don’t know for sure that’s what makes him so intriguing,if he becomes respectable from 3 combined with his generational passing He’s a sure fire franchise changer.

Giving something small like Mitch and the Dallas 21pick which will be in the 20s is totally worth it imo.

He's not a sure fire franchise changer.

Teams will just sag off him and stay home on shooters. He'll be exciting to watch in transition but he'll struggle mightily in the half-court and he'll drag his team down with him. He's not going to improve his FG% by transitioning from the Australian Basketball league to the NBA, be real. If he does, it'll take many years. Realize how unlikely the road is from 37% shooting in Australia to respectable shooting efficiency in the NBA? The odds are stacked against him, but miracles do happen from time to time I guess. And I do see the upside. My point is, he's an extremely risky pick that might change a franchise as in get a whole front office and coach fired.

[Oscirus]

Im not trading away the knicks future for a friggin tall guard who passes pretty. **** all that.

[Gravy]

Looking around on other boards for outside more objective opinions, fans often see Mitch as a Nerlens Noel type of player.

Pretty true, except for one small fact.

Mitch is actually good, while Nerlens Noel sucks.

Oh, and Mitch was drafted in the 2nd round, and Noel was a lottery pick, which makes Noel suck even worse.

But, it all doesn't matter, as Mitch will get traded and have a nice career elsewhere. While the Knicks will draft yet another bust.

No doubt I'd rather have Mitch. But it shows you that guys that cant shoot at all usually dont become shooters.

[TheGreenArrow]

Dallas made the playoffs as the 7th seed. Their position in the West is more fragile than you make it out to be, especially when you consider that Luka's supporting cast is really terrible outside of KP. KP misses significant time and they're in real danger of missing the playoffs.

We have to give to get yes, my point is why would you give away anything of significant value for a guy who shot 37% in the Australian league? He might not even reach .350 FG% in the NBA.

Keyword is “might” we don’t know for sure that’s what makes him so intriguing,if he becomes respectable from 3 combined with his generational passing He’s a sure fire franchise changer.

Giving something small like Mitch and the Dallas 21pick which will be in the 20s is totally worth it imo.

He's not a sure fire franchise changer.

Teams will just sag off him and stay home on shooters. He'll be exciting to watch in transition but he'll struggle mightily in the half-court and he'll drag his team down with him. He's not going to improve his FG% by transitioning from the Australian Basketball league to the NBA, be real. If he does, it'll take many years. Realize how unlikely the road is from 37% shooting in Australia to respectable shooting efficiency in the NBA? The odds are stacked against him, but miracles do happen from time to time I guess. And I do see the upside. My point is, he's an extremely risky pick that might change a franchise as in get a whole front office and coach fired.

Fair enough.

[moocow007]

Some of you guys are nuts.

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[knickstape4ever]

You're ok with Mitch getting Clint Capela money, he absolutely needs to be able to score if he's getting that kind of money. If he cant you're better off going with a low salary center and spending that money on guards & wings.

Not a single one of the conference finalists had a center like Mitch making Capela money, that is what you all keep missing. A center making Clint Capela money is a net negative in the current NBA if they cannot score. I'd rather have KAT and all his awful defense than Gobert, because I'd be able to put players around KAT that can hide him, I'd even run zone.

On a per-36 min basis, Mitch averages 15pts, which is actually pretty good considering we haven't had passable PG play

I don't get how you can say that a player making Capela $ is a net negative. Do you have any evidence to back you up on this or are you just making a fictitious claim? Advanced stats prove that Capela and Mitch are winning players, those are the types of players who are typically valuable and worthy of paying.

Capela $$$ and a MAX contract are very different. it's only ~16% of the cap which is pretty reasonable for a starter

Those are per 36 numbers against mostly 2nd units, he's not going to average 16ppg with starters against other starting defenses.


Because that's $18 million that could be going to a skilled player, the fact that the Rockets got such terrible offers for Capela should tell you all you need to know. You can say it's a fiction, but the market for Capela was bad, case in point the Celtics could have traded for him, why didn't they? Advanced stats loved & still love Andre Drummond, all of those acronym stats paint Drummond out to being a winning player, we all know he's not.

I'd rather have a center like Theis on $5 million per year, than a center like Capela or Mitch for $18 million, because it means I'm probably spending my money somewhere else.

they got a good, valuable player in Covington. Every team would love a Covington.

Cleveland's record without Drummond: 15-42 (.263)
W/ Drummond: 4-4 (.500)

small sample size, but the Cavs looked better when they got Drummond and obviously the Pistons got worse:
w/ Drummond: 17-32 (.347)
w/o Drummond: 1-12 (.077)

[knickstape4ever]

Gobert’s playoff performances were very memorable. I wish we had a player like him - said nobody ever

not every player needs to drop 30 a game

So you admitting that whatever he did in the playoffs was not anything worthy of mention. My point made exactly.

you're hilarious. Gobert played well. He actually scored above his seasons avg. in the playoffs.

you dont need to be able to drop 30 to be an impact player....I mean your guy Julius Randle can drop 30 a night but he also isn't a winning player

[Dantares]

Watching both Heat and Lakers players hit big 3-point shot after shot is moving Isaac Okoro further down the draft board for me.

Please draft one of the Shooters:
Vassell
Haliburton
Kira Lewis