The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 8)

Greyhound · Post #1001 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:01 am

Heej wrote:Am I the only one who would like to see us go to Dwight at the 5 lineups instead of Markieff? The defense is non-existent

You must not have seen Dwight that game (or this entire series, for that matter).

What has he provided exactly?

Morris has one bad game (along with a host of other players) and it’s time to go off the deep end. Howard can be irrelevant all series, but hey, let’s give him more burn.

yoyoboy · Post #1002 » by **yoyoboy** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:02 am

Greyhound wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Yeah Morris is not playable imo. He’s just getting destroyed defensively and he doesn’t rebound. Problem is who fills his minutes.

He had one bad game and you come up with this. Howard has been trash the entire series.

Except it’s not one bad game. Like I said he’s been getting destroyed defensively all series.

Heej · Post #1003 » by **Heej** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:05 am

Greyhound wrote:
Heej wrote:Am I the only one who would like to see us go to Dwight at the 5 lineups instead of Markieff? The defense is non-existent

You must not have seen Dwight that game (or this entire series, for that matter).

What has he provided exactly?

Morris has one bad game (along with a host of other players) and it’s time to go off the deep end. Howard can be irrelevant all series, but hey, let’s give him more burn.

I haven't seen Dwight in a smallball lineup no. He always has AD next to him. Have you seen Markieff on defense this series? I legitimately expect Dwight to hold up better than Kieff lol. Like Kieff isn't even strong, Jimmy melts through him like tissue paper.

nzahir · Post #1004 » by **nzahir** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:07 am

The pathetic lineup of Kieff, Kuzma and Lebron is awful

And then Vogel plays it even when Bam is in

What is he doing?

Kieff should start now, I have changed my view

Dwight should be off the bench to fit better

Jdw38 · Post #1005 » by **Jdw38** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:07 am

I’m finally starting to cool down.. kinda post-angry drunk though lol. Let’s see what lebron, and to a lesser extent AD, is made of. This guys quite possibly the GOAT—he can have another truly great game; drag this average team to a title GOAT James and cement your legacy!! Butler is honestly the best thing to happen to Lebron: his greatness is pushing Lebron to HAVE to be legendary to close this out. This is narratively what storybook careers are made of.

trickshot · Post #1006 » by **trickshot** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:07 am

yoyoboy wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Yeah Morris is not playable imo. He’s just getting destroyed defensively and he doesn’t rebound. Problem is who fills his minutes.

He had one bad game and you come up with this. Howard has been trash the entire series.

Except it’s not one bad game. Like I said he’s been getting destroyed defensively all series.

Yeah even when Morris is hitting shots his defense is awful. That Kuzma and Morris lineup is so defensively bad. Two low iq awful off-ball defenders against a team with high iq players darting all over the 3 point line. Lakers might have to re-activate Mcgee to see if this is one of the tems his patented brand of low iq basketball doesn't struggle with

Greyhound · Post #1007 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:10 am

yoyoboy wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Yeah Morris is not playable imo. He’s just getting destroyed defensively and he doesn’t rebound. Problem is who fills his minutes.

He had one bad game and you come up with this. Howard has been trash the entire series.

Except it’s not one bad game. Like I said he’s been getting destroyed defensively all series.

So he is getting burned by Butler. You act like KCP and Green were not. Before this game he was providing spacing and a little rebounding.

LeBron also plays better with him in the lineup.

Kuzma was worse and hurt the team far more. Howard has been worthless in this series as well.

Perhaps they should start Morris and close with:

Caruso
KCP
Green
James
Davis.

Post #1008 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:12 am

Lakers lost but haven't lost twice in a row all season. They will bounce back

Post #1009 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:13 am

LeBron in closeout games is just unreal though, most clutch ever. Just adding to the legend.

Heej · Post #1010 » by **Heej** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:16 am

Yea I still like our chances. Wouldn't mind Vogel adjusting and starting Kieff. Just don't like the lineups with him at the 5. I think you need a big in against Bam at all times so that frees up LeBron to guard Jimmy. Lakers are just gonna have to get better at defending the Jimmy and Bam actions.

dreamshake · Post #1011 » by **dreamshake** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:17 am

zimpy27 wrote:Lakers lost but haven't lost twice in a row all season. They will bounce back

Do you mean in the playoffs? B/c they lost 4 in a row and 3 in a row in the regular season. Not that I disagree with you about them bouncing back

Greyhound · Post #1012 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:21 am

A couple of things to say:

- Davis was soft down the stretch of that game. He needs to man up. He is not on the Bayou anymore. Fatigue and pain are a part of the game. If you are not actually injured you need to suck it up and be there for your team. Taking plays off to drama Queen is not acceptable in the Finals.

- Nunn ran Rondo off the floor. He gave zero effort and could not hit the broad side of a barn with his jump shot.

- The Lakers may need to tighten the rotation. Increase KCP and Green’s minutes and sit Kuzma down if he goofs around in his early stint.

- Howard minutes need to be scrapped.

dcstanley · Post #1013 » by **dcstanley** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:24 am

Dwight has been awful but he might provide some value on the floor when AD is sitting. The two big lineups shouldn’t see another minute.

Greyhound · Post #1014 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:29 am

zimpy27 wrote:LeBron in closeout games is just unreal though, most clutch ever. Just adding to the legend.

If a 3-1 lead is lost in these Finals (to the Heat), you can scratch “greatest closeout player” off the list.

In all seriousness, if that happens, I may just be done with basketball.

Greyhound · Post #1015 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:31 am

dcstanley wrote:Dwight has been awful but he might provide some value on the floor when AD is sitting. The two big lineups shouldn’t see another minute.

You are right. I was calling for that most of the series before getting fed up with Howard.

Start Morris and play Howard with the second unit. Those Morris at center (with Kuzma) minutes have been a disaster for two straight series now.

Vogel needs to adjust.

Post #1016 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:32 am

Greyhound wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:LeBron in closeout games is just unreal though, most clutch ever. Just adding to the legend.

If a 3-1 lead is lost in these Finals (to the Heat), you can scratch “greatest closeout player” off the list.

In all seriousness, if that happens, I may just be done with basketball.

What? Why?

He is the greatest, he can't do everything, the team has to be able to make those shots. He plays the game the right way and he's the best to ever do it. The outcome isn't the determinant of that. Only to fools does that matter for an individuals legacy and it's not worth talking to fools.

In NBA you need an MVP, a ring and a finals MVP to make the discussion. The rest of the discussion is based on how you played, what you were able to do every game you played for as many games you played.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #1017 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:37 am

dreamshake wrote:
Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
dreamshake wrote:
I mean if we're ranking offensive talent, obviously Lakers have 1 & 2, but Miami has 3, 4, 5, and 6. They have 4 guys that are pretty safe bets to give you at least 15-20 points every game and are capable of going off for more. That makes them less susceptible to 1 guy having an off-night than if Bron or AD do.

Yeah, but you'd always rather have the 2 best than the next 4 best.

Always better to have a dollar in the NBA than 4 quarters.

Not to say I told you so, but . . .

There were a lot of people in here trying to simplify this down to "Miami doesn't have anything as dangerous as the Murray/Jokic P&R" as if that's case closed. You can't minimize how important the rest of the roster is. I don't think this series going longer than 5 is very surprising. I still like the Lakers chances with Dragic out, but Miami was never gonna be as straightforward as the first 3 rounds.

I mean the Heat are still down 3-2.

Dupp · Post #1018 » by **Dupp** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:38 am

So Um what was moriss doing that last possession when jimmy went to the line?

TheGOATRises007 · Post #1019 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:39 am

Some of you guys are going overboard tearing down the supporting cast.

They've been great all playoffs.

The Heat are a really good team. They won't roll over.

Greyhound · Post #1020 » by **Greyhound** » Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:43 am

donnieme wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
Greyhound wrote:He had one bad game and you come up with this. Howard has been trash the entire series.

Except it’s not one bad game. Like I said he’s been getting destroyed defensively all series.

Yeah even when Morris is hitting shots his defense is awful. That Kuzma and Morris lineup is so defensively bad. Two low iq awful off-ball defenders against a team with high iq players darting all over the 3 point line. Lakers might have to re-activate Mcgee to see if this is one of the tems his patented brand of low iq basketball doesn't struggle with

Morris is being sabotaged with a lot of his minutes coming at center (along with Kuzma and Finals edition regular season Rondo). He would perform better in the starting unit and Howard would be better with the second unit.

Morris should be removed from the closing lineup for this series. His poor defense on Butler is problematic when he is not giving you shooting to keep the defense honest on LeBron and AD.

I say start him, remove him from the closing lineup and never play him at center.