OT Bears 2019/20 season

[nitetrain8603]

A few things:

The Bears offensive line is doing no one any favors.
Foles is much better at reading defenses. That's the difference. And it's a huge one. He can read pre-snap and post-snap
TB should not have this many problems on offense for having the goat at QB.
ARob sometimes seems like he's quit.

[Dresden]

A few things:

The Bears offensive line is doing no one any favors.
Foles is much better at reading defenses. That's the difference. And it's a huge one. He can read pre-snap and post-snap
TB should not have this many problems on offense for having the goat at QB.
ARob sometimes seems like he's quit.

How can you say Arob quit? He had 10 catches and 16 targets last game.

We held Tampa to around 12 points under the average this year- that's a good sign for the defense.

I agree on Foles reading the field way better than Mitch. I think it's quite important, too- I think several of those key plays he utilized second and third reads.

[Dresden]

The difference in accuracy between the two is about the same as the difference in QBR between the two, with former in Foles favor, the latter in Mitch's favor. So if you want to say that Foles has a "considerably worse" QBR, then you have to say Mitch is "considerably less accurate" as well.

But the real difference between the two is that Mitch has been in this system for 3 years now, while Foles has been here for 5 games, and just 2 as a starter. I think we need to see how Nick does over the rest of this season to make an accurate comparison between the two, but as long as he stays healthy, I'd be surprised if Foles doesn't improve over the course of the season as he gets more familiar with the offense.

Not an expert in advanced NFL stats, but found this interesting:
Trubisky: 24.4% bad throws, 66.3% on target throws
Foles: 12.6% bad throws, 47.7% on target throws
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2020_advanced.htm

So Foles makes less bad throws and good throws and has more average throws?

For all the talk of Foles airing the ball out more, he has low average air yards per throw, lower average yards per completion, lower average air yards per completion than Trubisky. Maybe he will be able to add more vertical passing to the team as time goes on, but that hasn't born out in the stats yet. Pretty small sample size for both guys still though.

You're talking averages though. It would be better to see how many passes of +15 yards or +25 yards each has completed, as a % of their completions.

[dice]

Foles hasn't looked better than Trubisky but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he's gone against 2 great defenses.

more importantly, he's still building chemistry with new teammates

[dice]

But the real difference between the two is that Mitch has been in this system for 3 years now, while Foles has been here for 5 games, and just 2 as a starter. I think we need to see how Nick does over the rest of this season to make an accurate comparison between the two, but as long as he stays healthy, I'd be surprised if Foles doesn't improve over the course of the season as he gets more familiar with the offense.

foles knows the system. it's part of why he was brought in. he's obviously less familiar with his teammates

[dice]

If we had Cohen and Goldman we could win it all.

that may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about goldman

and the bears looked better last night w/o cohen than they have all season

[Chi town]

If we had Cohen and Goldman we could win it all.

that may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about goldman

and the bears looked better last night w/o cohen than they have all season

No comprende.

Goldman was the key to stopping the run. If we had that we’d be a dominant D and Foles would be enough. Teams are running right through us now.

About Cohen... imagine him w the developing offense. He wasn’t the problem.

[dice]

Nagy was in the same situation against the chargers last year. They had a chance to win the game late in the fourth, they got to about the 20 yard line, ran some clock, and took a knee. Pinero ended missing the game winning fg. Nagy understandably didn't want to end up with the same result so he was more aggressive this time. I don't think it was a bad decision at all given the history of the kicking position.

the problem is that nagy wasn't committed either way. if you're going to let robinson go up and battle for a ball downfield on 2nd down, why not do the same on 3rd down when the time penalty is substantially lower? i think he was being too clever by half in attempting what he did, then got more conservative when he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar

[fleet]

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I really enjoyed that breakdown, thanks

[dice]

If we had Cohen and Goldman we could win it all.

that may be the nicest thing anyone has ever said about goldman

and the bears looked better last night w/o cohen than they have all season

No comprende.

Goldman was the key to stopping the run. If we had that we’d be a dominant D and Foles would be enough. Teams are running right through us now.

goldman has had one superb season in his career: 2018

and why was nobody discussing goldman's absence until troy aikman brought him up last night?

About Cohen... imagine him w the developing offense. He wasn’t the problem.

he certainly wasn't the problem, but he wasn't some magic elixer that turns an average team into a genuine contender either. not even when combined with the supposed stud eddie goldman

[Dresden]

Nagy was in the same situation against the chargers last year. They had a chance to win the game late in the fourth, they got to about the 20 yard line, ran some clock, and took a knee. Pinero ended missing the game winning fg. Nagy understandably didn't want to end up with the same result so he was more aggressive this time. I don't think it was a bad decision at all given the history of the kicking position.

the problem is that nagy wasn't committed either way. if you're going to let robinson go up and battle for a ball downfield on 2nd down, why not do the same on 3rd down when the time penalty is substantially lower? i think he was being too clever by half in attempting what he did, then got more conservative when he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar

I think he took one shot at a big play, then when it didn't work, on 3rd down he just wanted something safe, to pick up 5 yards or so, to make the FG easier. With the opportunity to possibly pick up the first down. But at least get a few yards, and there was no guarantee running the ball would do that.

[dice]

Nagy was in the same situation against the chargers last year. They had a chance to win the game late in the fourth, they got to about the 20 yard line, ran some clock, and took a knee. Pinero ended missing the game winning fg. Nagy understandably didn't want to end up with the same result so he was more aggressive this time. I don't think it was a bad decision at all given the history of the kicking position.

the problem is that nagy wasn't committed either way. if you're going to let robinson go up and battle for a ball downfield on 2nd down, why not do the same on 3rd down when the time penalty is substantially lower? i think he was being too clever by half in attempting what he did, then got more conservative when he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar

I think he took one shot at a big play, then when it didn't work, on 3rd down he just wanted something safe, to pick up 5 yards or so, to make the FG easier. With the opportunity to possibly pick up the first down. But at least get a few yards, and there was no guarantee running the ball would do that.

they just needed a first down to keep brady off the field as opposed to giving him, what...close to 80 seconds to get into FG range?

you only gain a few percentage points on the kick by gaining 5 yards. by getting a first down, the chance of brady getting into FG range goes from 35-40% (conservatively) down to zero

[nomorezorro]

So that's three plays off the top of my head where the receiver runs the right route and is where he's supposed to be and Foles clearly identifies them yet makes a bad throw. Those are the types of throws and plays that should be converted and have nothing to do with chemistry. Those are plays Trubisky left on the field. The guy replacing him shouldn't be making those same mistakes.

i think there's a little bit of upside with foles as he gets more time to work with the team, but when it comes down to it he's a dude who's been in the league for nearly 10 seasons and has mostly been a backup. he won the super bowl and then went from signing a splashy free agent deal to losing his job to gardner minshew in less than a season.

he's not very good and i don't think anyone should expect him to be

[Jcool0]

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[Chi town]

I’m liking this Florida QB. Trask. Now that the Mitch era is over drafting a QB is a thing again.

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

I'm not opposed to using Mitch a couple plays a game on some bootlegs or options to mix things up or on some 3rd and shorts where he may be able to run for a first. Keep him involved and ready, never know when Foles can go down.

[TheFinishSniper]

Do Bears have assets to keep a team and get starter QB in draft?

[dice]

So that's three plays off the top of my head where the receiver runs the right route and is where he's supposed to be and Foles clearly identifies them yet makes a bad throw. Those are the types of throws and plays that should be converted and have nothing to do with chemistry. Those are plays Trubisky left on the field. The guy replacing him shouldn't be making those same mistakes.

i think there's a little bit of upside with foles as he gets more time to work with the team, but when it comes down to it he's a dude who's been in the league for nearly 10 seasons and has mostly been a backup. he won the super bowl and then went from signing a splashy free agent deal to losing his job to gardner minshew in less than a season.

he's not very good and i don't think anyone should expect him to be

you know he's got a good head on his shoulders and won't crumble under pressure, though

[MalagaBulls]

Way too early for specific pick projections but I have our top needs in rounds 1-3 as:

1. QB
2. OT
3. ILB

[nomorezorro]

not fair to judge on one game, but i wonder how long into his career it will take cole kmet to get as many TDs as chase claypool got today