Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[greg4012]

Yep, you don't trade the heart & soul of the team, who's also part of incentive for Giannis to play here.

They both have the same agent. It’s borderline comical to suggest they would be dealt for one another. Giannis will come here and team up with Bam as a free agent.

Again, if Giannis becomes available and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, it's comical to think that they wouldn't and that Riley wouldn't do that deal.

Let's discuss that when (read as big IF) Giannis becomes available in a trade. Until then, forgive this board for not wanting to spend our time speculating about the prospect of sending away the foundational element of this team

[Bishop45]

If we're looking for versatile young bigs that will be available Randle is still a great project, but with our current stable of assets that might take Iggy+Nunn(Not sure how the team feels about Iggy still being a commodity next yr)

Plus Randle's son doesn't take any of that ballhogging BS

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[twix2500]

is it just me or if somebody can explain it, but i do not see Bam as a Max player yet, i think until he develops a nice jumper he should not be considered for a Max salary, but on the other hand scrubs are getting decent amount of millions per year, so who knows

His play is not currently a max player. A lot is based on the foresight of him improving. Thats is always the negative side of dealing with young players, the first years are cheap, but when that contract is up teams usually overpay the player based on potential. Yes he is a high level player but IMO doesn't suggest Max. He probably at the level of Jrue Holiday. Max player (star) IMO is a player who carries the team ie Butler. But again fans are very hyperbolic in this. They look at player as Max Min or MLE, rarely in-between.

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[goodboy]

Giannis sweep stakes will be a headache. Dallas is zoning on him hard as well. Dipo seems the most realistic option right now, along with another good solid big. Either way still need to go hard for Giannis. We're definitely in the top 3 teams he would prefer.

[twix2500]

If we're looking for versatile young bigs that will be available Randle is still a great project, but with our current stable of assets that might take Iggy+Nunn(Not sure how the team feels about Iggy still being a commodity next yr)

Plus Randle's son doesn't take any of that ballhogging BS

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Why would you classify randle as versatile?

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[greg4012]

It was fun Jae, but you missed your paycheck from the Heat in my eyes when you crashed down to Earth as a shooter. I think you bring in cost controlled KZ, who has big time potential as a defender and let him develop over the course of the season. You lose a lot of quality vet savvy, but Jae deserves a quality long term deal, and in our case, we can't scrap our plans to give it to him.

I would definitely like to see a KZ jump to action this upcoming season. I hope we continue to have the in-season patience with KZ that we had with our young guys this year. IMO it's worth the growing pains

[Bishop45]

If we're looking for versatile young bigs that will be available Randle is still a great project, but with our current stable of assets that might take Iggy+Nunn(Not sure how the team feels about Iggy still being a commodity next yr)

Plus Randle's son doesn't take any of that ballhogging BS

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Why would you classify randle as versatile?

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What? Why wouldn't you? He can hit an open 3, he can face-up(which 90% of bigs can't do), he's a decent passer for a big, plus he can attack in transition

Which is one thing the Lakers exposed on our end, we don't have many players that can truly attack in transition as Goran's speed has regressed a little and Jimmy/Bam are usually looking to pass it out. This doesn't look like a versatile player?

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[Beenie]

They both have the same agent. It’s borderline comical to suggest they would be dealt for one another. Giannis will come here and team up with Bam as a free agent.

Again, if Giannis becomes available and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, it's comical to think that they wouldn't and that Riley wouldn't do that deal.

Let's discuss that when (read as big IF) Giannis becomes available in a trade. Until then, forgive this board for not wanting to spend our time speculating about the prospect of sending away the foundational element of this team

For better or worse, Giannis speculation is gonna be a motif around here so it's fully within reason to discuss the trade possibilities in a "speculation" thread.

[greg4012]

Again, if Giannis becomes available and the Bucks insist on Bam being in the deal, it's comical to think that they wouldn't and that Riley wouldn't do that deal.

Let's discuss that when (read as big IF) Giannis becomes available in a trade. Until then, forgive this board for not wanting to spend our time speculating about the prospect of sending away the foundational element of this team

For better or worse, Giannis speculation is gonna be a motif around here so it's fully within reason to discuss the trade possibilities in a "speculation" thread.

And to expect push back on some unnecessary speculation based solely on unlikely hypotheticals

[Kobewade11]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

[carnageta]

Always liked Randle. Think he could fit in nicely alongside Bam.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Victor. If we can retool this winter with Olapdio, Cousins and a guy like Randle, we have all the pieces to make another finals push next year. We’d be right up there alongside the top teams not only in the East, but the entire NBA.

[Beenie]

Let's discuss that when (read as big IF) Giannis becomes available in a trade. Until then, forgive this board for not wanting to spend our time speculating about the prospect of sending away the foundational element of this team

For better or worse, Giannis speculation is gonna be a motif around here so it's fully within reason to discuss the trade possibilities in a "speculation" thread.

And to expect push back on some unnecessary speculation based solely on unlikely hypotheticals

There's an inherent paradox in challenging the merit of discussing hypotheticals in a "speculation" thread. To speculate is to discuss hypotheticals.

Secondly, what is and isn't "unlikely" is relative. The overwhelming majority of trade rumors never come to fruition so by definition any trade rumor is "unlikely" and, in your opinion, not worthy of discussion, yes?

Lastly, Giannis is the crown jewel of trade speculation and Mia has been linked to him by several mainstream outlets as a possible destination. It's totally legit to speculate about his possible acquisition. And if you think the Bucks wouldn't insist on Bam as the centerpiece of any deal involving Giannis, then I would say your hypotheticals are comically unlikely.

[AirP.]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

Really? Basically, I see Giannis playing the same position as Bam, not sure why Riley wouldn't move Bam if he's upgrading(which there aren't many bigs you could upgrade from Bam). The only bigs I could see upgrading from Bam and still getting great defense(since it allows you to have more leeway on better shooters/lesser defenders) would be Giannis, AD, or Embiid, almost any other player for Bam makes you recalibrate the rest of your roster.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

Really? Basically, I see Giannis playing the same position as Bam, not sure why Riley wouldn't move Bam if he's upgrading(which there aren't many bigs you could upgrade from Bam). The only bigs I could see upgrading from Bam and still getting great defense(since it allows you to have more leeway on better shooters/lesser defenders) would be Giannis, AD, or Embiid, almost any other player for Bam makes you recalibrate the rest of your roster.

IDK. If this was fantasy, it would be an easy decision to trade Bam for Giannis (or a piece that better complements Giannis). But we don’t know if that’s really possible, and how that impacts our chemistry/culture. We certainly would win a lot, and likely be favorites to win the finals if we could get Giannis without costing ourselves any major pieces.... poor spacing and all.

But for the purposes of a message board thread I’m imagining it like fantasy. And if we could get Giannis, we should work toward getting him as much spacing as possible. Bam would be our most valuable trade chop.


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[greg4012]

For better or worse, Giannis speculation is gonna be a motif around here so it's fully within reason to discuss the trade possibilities in a "speculation" thread.

And to expect push back on some unnecessary speculation based solely on unlikely hypotheticals

There's an inherent paradox in challenging the merit of discussing hypotheticals in a "speculation" thread. To speculate is to discuss hypotheticals.

Secondly, what is and isn't "unlikely" is relative. The overwhelming majority of trade rumors never come to fruition so by definition any trade rumor is "unlikely" and, in your opinion, not worthy of discussion, yes?

Lastly, Giannis is the crown jewel of trade speculation and Mia has been linked to him by several mainstream outlets as a possible destination. It's totally legit to speculate about his possible acquisition. And if you think the Bucks wouldn't insist on Bam as the centerpiece of any deal involving Giannis, then I would say your hypotheticals are comically unlikely.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Randle has 20Mil$ guaranteed for 2021-2022 : you really want to kill the Giannis/Kwhai/Oladipo option for him?!

[Kobewade11]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

Really? Basically, I see Giannis playing the same position as Bam, not sure why Riley wouldn't move Bam if he's upgrading(which there aren't many bigs you could upgrade from Bam). The only bigs I could see upgrading from Bam and still getting great defense(since it allows you to have more leeway on better shooters/lesser defenders) would be Giannis, AD, or Embiid, almost any other player for Bam makes you recalibrate the rest of your roster.

Because Bam is showing glimpses of being a top 15 player. Riley knows the more top end players you have, the better.

[Rodrizzle]

This is who we need.

[Beenie]

This is who we need.

Relatively cheap, can possibly be had on a 1-year deal, is a functional stretch big, and allows the team to move KO's contract.

Lots of +'s.

[RexBoyWonder]

Let's talk about Christian Wood

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Smells like Hassan 2.0

I don't trust his 3 point shot, and he's a bad passer, which could easily makes his useless. Not Much of a defender.

Ibaka/Gallo are much safer bets.

He's the kind of guy I would happily try for the vet min, NOT the guy I'd invest real money in.

Disagree on a lot of this, but I get the concern of investing money in a small track record.

It's a very unique situation to potentially get a rising young asset without the obstacle of restricted free agency.

I understand concern over the Hassan phenomenon of a guy that was undrafted for a reason and flashed really great things but still had fatal flaws or couldn't put it all together.

But, as a counter, I think the Hassan experience shouldn't lead one to say that we should be dismissive of guys with great profiles flashing talent because they went undrafted (or second round) and/or bounced around teams and G League. Then we would be dismissing the likes of Nunn and Duncan Robinson, as well.

In those instances, fit needs to be prioritized. I think his fit is potentially perfect. I think his defensive deficiencies are overblown. For me, it comes down to 2 things with Wood:

(1) If the 3 ball is legit or not -- can't say I know for sure, but that's enticing if so.
(2) Understanding the person and the circumstances as to what caused him to bounce around at the end of rosters for a few years. I don't have that info. But, I don't need to. Miami Heat do need to if they want to adequately assess the situation.

I love the prospects of Ibaka or Gallo. In a vacuum, I prefer them. Neither will be cheap and IDK that either will accept one year deals. If the info regarding points 1 and 2 is positive based on the Heat's assessment (operating with more info than I have. I would probably rather add Christian Wood on a multi-year deal than the aging Gallo or Ibaka

You might know by now I'm usually in favor of going after the hidden gems, the unpolished talents and try to hit the jackpot with young unestablished players.

But it all depends on the team circumstances :

1. We just got off, finally, the Hassan/JJ/Dion era, which was horrible because we lost our identity. Wood strikes me as that type of talent. Meaning a talented player but probably not a winner or an high IQ guy. We need to be true to our identity.

2. His biggest talent his scoring, and our biggest need in that position is defense, BBIQ, toughness and 3 point shooting.

3. He never had a pay day, so I highly doubt he wants a 1 year deal. And there's no way we should risk our cap space in 2021-2022 for an unproven guy like him.

We're a pieces away. If we were in rebuild mode, I would probably be seating first row in Wood's bandwagon. But now is not the time to take long term gamble on mystery players.