Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Bishop45]

Randle has 20Mil$ guaranteed for 2021-2022 : you really want to kill the Giannis/Kwhai/Oladipo option for him?!

It's not like he's untradeable if it came to it

[AirP.]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

Really? Basically, I see Giannis playing the same position as Bam, not sure why Riley wouldn't move Bam if he's upgrading(which there aren't many bigs you could upgrade from Bam). The only bigs I could see upgrading from Bam and still getting great defense(since it allows you to have more leeway on better shooters/lesser defenders) would be Giannis, AD, or Embiid, almost any other player for Bam makes you recalibrate the rest of your roster.

Because Bam is showing glimpses of being a top 15 player. Riley knows the more top end players you have, the better.

Yes it's logical that the more top end players you have the better you are but how are you aquiring them in trades if you don't trade quality back? I still can't believe Riley didn't do a longer extension with Gallo to add him to core of Butler, Bam, Dragic, Herro and Robinson. This team would have been a favorite to make the finals instead of an underdog and this franchise could quite possibly have won a championship with that extra piece on the roster.

I get the 2021 plan, you're trying to add another star, but with that, you'd be wasting multiple years of Butler's last prime years and with that, losing a star(in quality or he retires) 1-3 years after acquiring that 3rd star.... so you'd be back down to the "star" and Bam... Butler and Dragic gone, having no cap room because of the "star", Bam, and then having to pay players like Robinson and Herro. Riley struck gold with Butler and then played to run out time instead of capitalizing as he could have.

[AirP.]

I don't really want to dig into this Giannis stuff, but Riley wouldn't include Bam in any potential trade for him. It doesn't really matter what the Bucks "insist" on, if he turns down a supermax and names a few destinations he'll consider in 2021 they'll take the best offer or let him walk for nothing.

Really? Basically, I see Giannis playing the same position as Bam, not sure why Riley wouldn't move Bam if he's upgrading(which there aren't many bigs you could upgrade from Bam). The only bigs I could see upgrading from Bam and still getting great defense(since it allows you to have more leeway on better shooters/lesser defenders) would be Giannis, AD, or Embiid, almost any other player for Bam makes you recalibrate the rest of your roster.

IDK. If this was fantasy, it would be an easy decision to trade Bam for Giannis (or a piece that better complements Giannis). But we don’t know if that’s really possible, and how that impacts our chemistry/culture. We certainly would win a lot, and likely be favorites to win the finals if we could get Giannis without costing ourselves any major pieces.... poor spacing and all.

But for the purposes of a message board thread I’m imagining it like fantasy. And if we could get Giannis, we should work toward getting him as much spacing as possible. Bam would be our most valuable trade chop.

I'd be willing to take the chance with upgrading from Bam to Giannis, AD, or Embiid. All 3 are incredible defensive players and all 3 can give you 25-30 a night and the biggest reason, all 3 are BIGGER than Bam and that's something he can never change.

Right now may be the only time Embiid could possibly be available, with B.Brown out of there, if they don't move Embiid, he'll be utilized WAY better then utilizing him as a stretch 4, I'm highly interested in what Embiid + 4 shooters could do in the NBA, as long as Simmons and Embiid are teamed up, they'll never reach their potential.

[daviddpc]

[quote="Wiltside"][quote="RexBoyWonder"][quote="dean456"]

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

[tweet]1316194007886819328[/tweet]

[size=150]We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo[/size]. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.[/quote]


Sadly, we can't. Look at the numbers.

For 2021-2022 (Projected cap 109Mil) :

Butler = $36,016,200
Ryan Anderson (streched) = $5,214,583
Herro = $4,004,280
Bam's cap hold - $15,346,476
Robinson's cap hold : $2,122,822

= 62.6 Mil

Giannis Max (as a free agent) = 32.7

= 95.3

That leaves 13.7 Mil in cap space (for Oladipo), and that's [b]after cutting[/b] KZ Okplala, cutting Silva, Cutting 2020 draft pick, No cap holds for anyone and no other player on the roster. Obviously cutting players on rookie deal doesn't make any sense. And Obviously There's not enough $ for Dipo.[/quote]

There’s a couple of assumptions built in there though.

- the cap stays at $109m. Possibly true but it could still potentially increase slightly.

- Fat Andy’s creative accounting. I recall some dodgy incentives being used for Dion, JJ and KO contracts to get them lower against the cap.

- you’re assuming that Bam/Giannis wouldn’t give back some small amount of salary each for Vic. If absolutely maximizing money isn’t the prime objective or motivator of either, I could see them doing a Wade and reducing their salary very slightly to accommodate a high level teammate (like Wade did for UD). Given the lack of state income tax, the net result for Vic may be similar to a higher deal elsewhere.

- Vic’s willingness to take around a $15m per deal. I could see him going for a 3/45 with a PO in the 3rd year and opting out and getting paid above market at that point to make up for the lower money at the start.

It would basically mean we fill out the remainder of the roster with minimum salary guys, but we’d have a fair few ring chasing vets that could play a role, as well as the buyout market later on in the season.

I dunno, just based on what you wrote I’m not seeing that many obstacles for it happening. Well, outside of the player committing and being ok to leave a little salary on the table :laugh:[/quote]

Bam Cap hold is $12,788,730 not $15,346,476

[daviddpc]

[quote="daviddpc"][quote="Wiltside"][quote="RexBoyWonder"][quote="dean456"]

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

[tweet]1316194007886819328[/tweet]

[size=150]We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo[/size]. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.[/quote]


Sadly, we can't. Look at the numbers.

For 2021-2022 (Projected cap 109Mil) :

Butler = $36,016,200
Ryan Anderson (streched) = $5,214,583
Herro = $4,004,280
Bam's cap hold - $15,346,476
Robinson's cap hold : $2,122,822

= 62.6 Mil

Giannis Max (as a free agent) = 32.7

= 95.3

That leaves 13.7 Mil in cap space (for Oladipo), and that's [b]after cutting[/b] KZ Okplala, cutting Silva, Cutting 2020 draft pick, No cap holds for anyone and no other player on the roster. Obviously cutting players on rookie deal doesn't make any sense. And Obviously There's not enough $ for Dipo.[/quote]

There’s a couple of assumptions built in there though.

- the cap stays at $109m. Possibly true but it could still potentially increase slightly.

- Fat Andy’s creative accounting. I recall some dodgy incentives being used for Dion, JJ and KO contracts to get them lower against the cap.

- you’re assuming that Bam/Giannis wouldn’t give back some small amount of salary each for Vic. If absolutely maximizing money isn’t the prime objective or motivator of either, I could see them doing a Wade and reducing their salary very slightly to accommodate a high level teammate (like Wade did for UD). Given the lack of state income tax, the net result for Vic may be similar to a higher deal elsewhere.

- Vic’s willingness to take around a $15m per deal. I could see him going for a 3/45 with a PO in the 3rd year and opting out and getting paid above market at that point to make up for the lower money at the start.

It would basically mean we fill out the remainder of the roster with minimum salary guys, but we’d have a fair few ring chasing vets that could play a role, as well as the buyout market later on in the season.

I dunno, just based on what you wrote I’m not seeing that many obstacles for it happening. Well, outside of the player committing and being ok to leave a little salary on the table :laugh:[/quote]

Bam Cap hold is $12,788,730 not $15,346,476
KZ Okpala is 1,782621
C Silva is 1,782,621
and this year 1 round pick need to be added to the cap

[daviddpc]

[quote="daviddpc"][quote="Wiltside"][quote="RexBoyWonder"][quote="dean456"]

I wouldn't put it completely out of the realm of possibility. If what's been said about Oladipo not really being interested in being the guy on a team and prioritising winning over money. I could see him coming. I saw this video today and thought it was pretty crazy that Oladipo is even speculating about a team with him Bam and Giannis together.

[tweet]1316194007886819328[/tweet]

[size=150]We can retain Jimmy, Herro, Bam and Robinson and still sign Giannis to a max or close to it and still have roughly 17-19mil to offer a guy like Oladipo[/size]. Maybe the combination of playing alongside Jimmy, Bam, Giannis, Robinson and Herro plus playing in Miami where he wants to be, plus no state income tax are all enough for Oladipo to take that pay cut.

Might be wishful thinking but who knows.[/quote]


Sadly, we can't. Look at the numbers.

For 2021-2022 (Projected cap 109Mil) :

Butler = $36,016,200
Ryan Anderson (streched) = $5,214,583
Herro = $4,004,280
Bam's cap hold - $15,346,476
Robinson's cap hold : $2,122,822

= 62.6 Mil

Giannis Max (as a free agent) = 32.7

= 95.3

That leaves 13.7 Mil in cap space (for Oladipo), and that's [b]after cutting[/b] KZ Okplala, cutting Silva, Cutting 2020 draft pick, No cap holds for anyone and no other player on the roster. Obviously cutting players on rookie deal doesn't make any sense. And Obviously There's not enough $ for Dipo.[/quote]

There’s a couple of assumptions built in there though.

- the cap stays at $109m. Possibly true but it could still potentially increase slightly.

- Fat Andy’s creative accounting. I recall some dodgy incentives being used for Dion, JJ and KO contracts to get them lower against the cap.

- you’re assuming that Bam/Giannis wouldn’t give back some small amount of salary each for Vic. If absolutely maximizing money isn’t the prime objective or motivator of either, I could see them doing a Wade and reducing their salary very slightly to accommodate a high level teammate (like Wade did for UD). Given the lack of state income tax, the net result for Vic may be similar to a higher deal elsewhere.

- Vic’s willingness to take around a $15m per deal. I could see him going for a 3/45 with a PO in the 3rd year and opting out and getting paid above market at that point to make up for the lower money at the start.

It would basically mean we fill out the remainder of the roster with minimum salary guys, but we’d have a fair few ring chasing vets that could play a role, as well as the buyout market later on in the season.

I dunno, just based on what you wrote I’m not seeing that many obstacles for it happening. Well, outside of the player committing and being ok to leave a little salary on the table :laugh:[/quote]

Bam Cap hold is $12,788,730 not $15,346,476
KZ Okpala is 1,782621
C Silva is 1,782,621
and this year 1 round pick need to be added to the cap

[ThaFranchize84]

To me you try to swing a deal for Vic. Something like what has been discussed (Nunn, KO/Iggy, 2020 pick, and KZ or a resign DJJ if needed). He is the borderline all star than you might be able to get with that type of package. You think Jimmy and Riley really are going to sit back after getting a taste of the finals and be content with keeping the same roster. They will look to make improvements that don’t jeopardize the 21 plan. To me you then resign Dragic and Crowder and offer the MLE for one year to anyone of the following guys (Milsap, Cousins, Baynes, Ibaka) and see who takes it. Might be an overpay for Cousins coming off injury but why not. That guy is talented even off injury. He is also Jimmy like crazy. You then see if you can resign Leonard with whatever is left. You then have potential rotation of Bam, MLE signed player, Jimmy, Herro and Vic and a bench of Duncan, Dragic, Crowder, Myers, etc. That team can get you back to the finals bubble or no bubble. You still have the space to make a run at Giannis is 21. If he doesn’t come you resign Vic to a higher deal and sign another front court player.


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[IggieCC]

none of your tags are working David PC lmao

somewhere former mod is crying for PITA scrolling through his old smart phone

[DayofMourning]

none of your tags are working David PC lmao

somewhere former mod is crying for PITA scrolling through his old smart phone

Dudes killing me right now. My Note 20 can't handle this archaic posting behavior.

[radikalBaller]

I am all for the miami naija team with bam, giannis, dipo, igodala, otoru

[IggieCC]

none of your tags are working David PC lmao

somewhere former mod is crying for PITA scrolling through his old smart phone

Dudes killing me right now. My Note 20 can't handle this archaic posting behavior.

the dude messed up 3 posts in a row right after your PITA posts. clearly sending you a message bro.

come to think of it, D.PC is known for this shenanigan every off-szn. he's got great ideas they're just tl;dr

[IggieCC]

Iggy won't be here or most definitely won't be qualified as a Ninja by the time all that is materialized I'd imagine

[HeatIn5]

Dipo or Derozan?

[Wiltside]

Dipo or Derozan?

Dipo. He’s the better defender and off ball shooter.

DeRozan is a quality player, but I don’t like the fit here. He badly needs to expand his range. He doesn’t bring the Butler intangibles to get away with not having a three ball.

[3ballbomber]

Read on Twitter

The NBA is expected to open the transaction window prior to the 2020 draft, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN. The draft is scheduled for Nov. 18.

Teams currently cannot conduct trades or waive or sign players, but should be able to as soon as the league and union agree on a new collective bargaining agreement and “how to manage the expected drop in revenue from the pandemic,” Windhorst wrote.

Assuming an agreement is reached, the free agency period is expected to start shortly after the draft, likely in late November or early December.

“For the past decade, as the country recovered from the Great Recession, the NBA has been in a tremendous period of revenue and salary growth,” Windhorst wrote. “Now most players are facing pay cuts to salaries they thought were guaranteed. Coming to grips with that could make the talks that need to happen difficult.”

[goodboy]

Dipo or Derozan?

Dipo for sure.

Derozan is rudy gay on peds

[HeatIn5]

Dipo or Derozan?

Dipo for sure.

Derozan is rudy gay on peds

thought we loved Rudy Equality

[HeatingUp3]

I love that spaculation part of the season. I like the Boogie idea. I think the culture will make wonders to him if he buy in. He will be cheap and he have something to prove.
Ibaka will be a long shot because we won't offer him more the a one year deal i guess. But look at Favors. He avg 10 ppg and 10 ribs. He can really help us.
I'll give Nunn and the 20 pick for Dipo because we probably don't have the need in the pick and Nunn's place on the team is not make it worte keeping him. His value will only go down.

[Beenie]

Thinking about it a little bit more, I really like the idea of signing Cousins. The risk/reward factor just makes too much sense. He probably is at or near the top of my FA list.

[carnageta]

Thinking about it a little bit more, I really like the idea of signing Cousins. The risk/reward factor just makes too much sense. He probably is at or near the top of my FA list.

Cousins and Dipo’ would allow us to make another run next season, while also remaining flexible for 2021 free agency.