shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
Seems like a lot of overreaction to one workout video.
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shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
His shooting form is awful
minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:minimus wrote:
His shooting form is awful
And that's fixable.
Hardly doubt
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
His shooting form is awful
Vassell and Haliburton are players with poor form, but the shots go in. Sean Marion was the poster boy for that. What I don't get is that why is this news. Didn't he have his shooting form on display for a whole season?
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:shangrila wrote:And that's fixable.
Hardly doubt
Shooting form is seldom fixable, but I don't really care as long as he makes the shots.
shangrila wrote:Domejandro wrote:As somebody who has actually watched tape on LaMelo Ball, the repeatedly lame talking points surrounding his potential are killing me. I have explained it multiple times, but the dude objectively has an incredibly intriguing skillset, as a player. Dude is a passing phenom, creative finisher, has a pretty floater, and isn't the guaranteed defensive atrocity that people keep lazily assuming (he is bad because of technique, but has had flashes).
What is particularly intriguing is that, until his time in Australia, he had never received any real basketball training (dude didn't even perform a three-man weave, up until that point). His form is an atrocity, but it is encouraging that he is willing to shoot the ball; even becoming a mediocre shooter would immediately propel him to being a solid player.
There is certainly bust potential, but there is a reason why teams are interested in him. LaMelo Ball has MASSIVE flaws, but if there was not the background noise of his father existing, basketball fans would be far less ridiculous with their takes on him.
See, I don't buy the hype about his finishing.
I saw a handful of his games and he never struck me as a good finisher or even someone with great touch. He constantly whiffed on layups, mainly because he had to double pump, change hands, behind the back every single one of them, but even on basic ones he would just...fail. It's been the most disconcerting part of him as a prospect to me and something that makes me feel crazy because it seems I'm the only one who notices it.
I mean, defence I agree isn't as bad as people have made out, the shooting could get to average, forcing passes and poor decision making should refine with time. But the touch around the rim? That'll be harder. You'll have to break him out of the mindset he developed for years about making it look as pretty as possible for the 'gram instead of ensuring it actually goes in.
Neeva wrote:shangrila wrote:Neeva wrote:I aee Vessell falling hard now, but i dont even know if I take him at 17...
Seriously? I'd take him and run at 17. You can't teach his defensive instincts.
But Okogie and Culver have the same strengths ? It really depends on who is left at 17 .
I expect at least 3 players of the group of Vessell, Terry, Maxey, Saddiq Bey, Pokusevski and Anthony to be on board at 17, it will be a tough decision for Rosas.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Hardly doubt
Shooting form is seldom fixable, but I don't really care as long as he makes the shots.
Watch that video. It is painfully slow and awkward release.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
His shooting form is awful
Vassell and Haliburton are players with poor form, but the shots go in. Sean Marion was the poster boy for that. What I don't get is that why is this news. Didn't he have his shooting form on display for a whole season?
Marion is not a wing. Haliburton is a wing.
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Shooting form is seldom fixable, but I don't really care as long as he makes the shots.
Watch that video. It is painfully slow and awkward release.
Which matters more form or results? Did somebody link the video? I read it's not available. It would be nice if we had both form and results.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Watch that video. It is painfully slow and awkward release.
Which matters more form or results? Did somebody link the video? I read it's not available. It would be nice if we had both form and results.
Watch video first, there is no chance that his current release will work for an NBA wing. To put it simple he shots like Dieng.
KGdaBom wrote:I watched actual game video and I did not see this problem you are talking about. If he's there at 17 I would have zero problem with him being the pick. Please provide me with a link to the video so I can form a better opinion.
Baseline81 wrote:KGdaBom wrote:I watched actual game video and I did not see this problem you are talking about. If he's there at 17 I would have zero problem with him being the pick. Please provide me with a link to the video so I can form a better opinion.
It seems during this break, Vassell changed his form. It’s completely different from how he shot in college. At least that’s what everyone is taking away from the clip.
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Shooting form is seldom fixable, but I don't really care as long as he makes the shots.
Watch that video. It is painfully slow and awkward release.
Which matters more form or results? Did somebody link the video? I read it's not available. It would be nice if we had both form and results.
KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Vassell and Haliburton are players with poor form, but the shots go in. Sean Marion was the poster boy for that. What I don't get is that why is this news. Didn't he have his shooting form on display for a whole season?
Marion is not a wing. Haliburton is a wing.
To me Haliburton is a PG.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Marion is not a wing. Haliburton is a wing.
To me Haliburton is a PG.
Haliburton can't play lead ballhandler role in NBA. He doesn't have quick first step nor advanced finishing ability nor pull-up jumper. The only way he can find success in NBA is to become 3&D player, wing who can play as secondary ballhandler.
SmokeyPaw wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Watch that video. It is painfully slow and awkward release.
Which matters more form or results? Did somebody link the video? I read it's not available. It would be nice if we had both form and results.
This is different than his form during the season.
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KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:To me Haliburton is a PG.
Haliburton can't play lead ballhandler role in NBA. He doesn't have quick first step nor advanced finishing ability nor pull-up jumper. The only way he can find success in NBA is to become 3&D player, wing who can play as secondary ballhandler.
If you say so. I say he's a PG. His BBIQ is off the charts. He will be able to direct an offense and at his nice size will provide very good defense.
minimus wrote:KGdaBom wrote:minimus wrote:
Haliburton can't play lead ballhandler role in NBA. He doesn't have quick first step nor advanced finishing ability nor pull-up jumper. The only way he can find success in NBA is to become 3&D player, wing who can play as secondary ballhandler.
If you say so. I say he's a PG. His BBIQ is off the charts. He will be able to direct an offense and at his nice size will provide very good defense.
You have Culver example right in front of you. He can't create separation with ball in his hands, despite being much more athletic than Haliburton.
KGdaBom wrote:SmokeyPaw wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Which matters more form or results? Did somebody link the video? I read it's not available. It would be nice if we had both form and results.
This is different than his form during the season.
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It is very nice and high, but as somebody mentioned it is Dienglike.
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