Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - OFF SEASON EDITION

[giannis and 1]

Bled, Ersan, DJ, and Robin is my offer to OKC for CP. They can flip Bledsoe for picks. I think the market for CP is vastly overrated. How many teams would take on that contract in this environment?

NYK, PHI, MIN, LAL and recently ORL in addition to us, have all been linked to CP3 the last few days.

Knicks - does CP3 really want to go there and if not, is Presti going to trade him to a team where he doesn't want to go to?

Philly - they would need to send Horford or Harris' contract the other way which would cost them an insane amount of picks.

Minnesota - don't see them willing to take the contract

Orlando - don't see them willing to take the contract

Lakers are a possibility with the expiring contracts that they can send the other way, especially if CP3 makes it clear that he wants to go back to LA to play with bron.

[RiotPunch]

Lowe said he'd be very surprised if the Bucks don't "something big-ish/medium-size, whatever you consider that kind of trade, Bledsoe and some other stuff for X." Which is what we all expect.

Then Bill Simmons says the CP3 trade is the disaster trade for the Bucks, after he and Lowe both thought that Paul has 3 years left on his deal, which he doesn't.

I expect better from Lowe, but Simmons is such a **** buffoon when it comes to anything involving details; broad strokes Bill with half baked hot takes!

[StickeeFingaz]

Lowe said he'd be very surprised if the Bucks don't "something big-ish/medium-size, whatever you consider that kind of trade, Bledsoe and some other stuff for X." Which is what we all expect.

Then Bill Simmons says the CP3 trade is the disaster trade for the Bucks, after he and Lowe both thought that Paul has 3 years left on his deal, which he doesn't.

I expect better from Lowe, but Simmons is such a **** buffoon when it comes to anything involving details; broad strokes Bill with half baked hot takes!

To be fair, Lowe initially thought it was two years left and Simmons temporarily convinced him that it was three years left. Then Lowe confirmed two years.

[LuessiT]

Kemba is still a guy I'd take over CP3.

[giannis and 1]

How is that a short sighted deal though? Unless you think we are going to give up a lot of young assets like DDV+1st on top of the salary we'd have to get rid of.

Completely screws up their cap for two years and they lose the MLE, plus a ton of depth, for an injury-prone 35-year-old. And regardless of what they could do with the MLE, there's a very good chance Bledsoe and Hill combined will be more valuable than CP3 next year. They certainly were in 2018-19. And yet people talk about the possibility like it's some kind of panacea, as if he wasn't extremely lucky to stay healthy this year and somehow he's more likely to play like he did last year than the previous season despite being older.

A ton of depth... you mean Rolo, Wilson, Ersan who ate a combined 16.5mill but did not play even 1 single second combined against the Heat? Or maybe you are talking about Korver who we would lose to free agency who is terrible and should not have gotten the minutes he did last year. Who else? Pat? Brown? These guys are easily replaceable.

Bledsoe and Hill do not bring more value than CP3 in the playoffs.

CP3 just came off a season where he was healthy for the entire year. Then he had a long break and was out of the playoffs after round 1. When the NBA season starts again, he will have played 15 games in the span of 10 months. Meaning... he has gotten a lot of rest after almost a decade of long post season runs. And we have the luxury of managing his load and limiting his minutes in the regular season to prevent injury.

And the experience that Giannis will get playing with CP3 is certainly not short sighted, it will last with him for the rest of his career.

[Prez]

Lowe said he'd be very surprised if the Bucks don't "something big-ish/medium-size, whatever you consider that kind of trade, Bledsoe and some other stuff for X." Which is what we all expect.

Then Bill Simmons says the CP3 trade is the disaster trade for the Bucks, after he and Lowe both thought that Paul has 3 years left on his deal, which he doesn't.

I expect better from Lowe, but Simmons is such a **** buffoon when it comes to anything involving details; broad strokes Bill with half baked hot takes!

The gap between Simmons and the dumbass ESPN/Fox Sports guys has been closing for me for years. He’s not nearly that stupid but the gap isn’t as big as I thought it was 2, 3 years ago. I honestly don’t take any of his bball takes seriously anymore.

[MikeIsGood]

Bill Simmons has been a dip **** with an ego to dwarf Stephen A Smith's for about a decade now. Y'all been fooled.

[coolhandluke121]

A ton of depth... you mean Rolo, Wilson, Ersan who ate a combined 16.5mill but did not play even 1 single second combined against the Heat? Or maybe you are talking about Korver who we would lose to free agency who is terrible and should not have gotten the minutes he did last year. Who else? Pat? Brown? These guys are easily replaceable.

Bledsoe and Hill do not bring more value than CP3 in the playoffs.

CP3 just came off a season where he was healthy for the entire year.

LOL, congratulations on figuring out a way to trade RoLo, Wilson, Ersan, Korver, Connaughton, and Brown for CP3. You should be a GM.

Do you actually understand the financial implications of matching salary and not having the MLE or BAE due to being a luxury tax team? Based on your posts, it's not evident that you do.

Hill alone was literally more valuable than CP3 in the playoffs just a year and a half ago, no exaggeration. Bledsoe wasn't even that far behind him when you factor in defense. CP3 was that much of a disaster and was regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league just a year ago. It's the dictionary definition of short-sighted to think that one healthy season in the last 4 has more predictive value than his age and long-term injury history. By saying he's coming off "a season where he was healthy for the entire year" you just prove my point about your questionable assumptions about his health going forward.

If you think they're getting CP3 for Bledsoe, RoLo, Ersan, and DJ, I think you're being incredibly unrealistic. Most trades have Hill in there as well, and that's where you start to decimate your depth by trading two healthy, productive PG's for one injury-prone 35 year old, with nothing but the tax MLE and a few minimum contracts to replace them.

I'm all for trading Bledsoe to get a better fit, but the CP3 idea is a disaster and nearly everyone knows it except a few desperate Bucks fans. That's why we keep hearing rumors to the effect that it's not happening and the Bucks are exploring other options.

[giannis and 1]

A ton of depth... you mean Rolo, Wilson, Ersan who ate a combined 16.5mill but did not play even 1 single second combined against the Heat? Or maybe you are talking about Korver who we would lose to free agency who is terrible and should not have gotten the minutes he did last year. Who else? Pat? Brown? These guys are easily replaceable.

Bledsoe and Hill do not bring more value than CP3 in the playoffs.

CP3 just came off a season where he was healthy for the entire year.

LOL, congratulations on figuring out a way to trade RoLo, Wilson, Ersan, Korver, Connaughton, and Brown for CP3. You should be a GM.

Do you actually understand the financial implications of matching salary and not having the MLE or BAE due to being a luxury tax team? Based on your posts, it's not evident that you do.

Hill alone was literally more valuable than CP3 in the playoffs just a year and a half ago, no exaggeration. Bledsoe wasn't even that far behind him when you factor in defense. CP3 was that much of a disaster and was regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league just a year ago. It's the dictionary definition of short-sighted to think that one healthy season in the last 4 has more predictive value than his age and long-term injury history. By saying he's coming off "a season where he was healthy for the entire year" you just prove my point about your questionable assumptions about his health going forward.

If you think they're getting CP3 for Bledsoe, RoLo, Ersan, and DJ, I think you're being incredibly unrealistic. Most trades have Hill in there as well, and that's where you start to decimate your depth by trading two healthy, productive PG's for one injury-prone 35 year old, with nothing but the tax MLE and a few minimum contracts to replace them.

I'm all for trading Bledsoe to get a better fit, but the CP3 idea is a disaster and nearly everyone knows it except a few desperate Bucks fans. That's why we keep hearing rumors to the effect that it's not happening and the Bucks are exploring other options.

The trade would be Bledsoe, Ilyasova, Rolo, Wilson. The others would leave via free agency. Rest of the roster would be filled with minimum contracts like the Lakers did.

Bledsoe and Hill have never been more valuable in the playoffs than CP3. CP3, even when he is not 100% brings more than these two. Bledsoe is such just awful in the playoffs, I can't stress this enough.

I think you are mistaking "short sighted" with "risky". And I agree there is risk attached to this, but please tell me a player we can realistically acquire that moves the needle as much as him.

[Daver]

A ton of depth... you mean Rolo, Wilson, Ersan who ate a combined 16.5mill but did not play even 1 single second combined against the Heat? Or maybe you are talking about Korver who we would lose to free agency who is terrible and should not have gotten the minutes he did last year. Who else? Pat? Brown? These guys are easily replaceable.

Bledsoe and Hill do not bring more value than CP3 in the playoffs.

CP3 just came off a season where he was healthy for the entire year.

LOL, congratulations on figuring out a way to trade RoLo, Wilson, Ersan, Korver, Connaughton, and Brown for CP3. You should be a GM.

Do you actually understand the financial implications of matching salary and not having the MLE or BAE due to being a luxury tax team? Based on your posts, it's not evident that you do.

Hill alone was literally more valuable than CP3 in the playoffs just a year and a half ago, no exaggeration. Bledsoe wasn't even that far behind him when you factor in defense. CP3 was that much of a disaster and was regarded as one of the worst contracts in the league just a year ago. It's the dictionary definition of short-sighted to think that one healthy season in the last 4 has more predictive value than his age and long-term injury history. By saying he's coming off "a season where he was healthy for the entire year" you just prove my point about your questionable assumptions about his health going forward.

If you think they're getting CP3 for Bledsoe, RoLo, Ersan, and DJ, I think you're being incredibly unrealistic. Most trades have Hill in there as well, and that's where you start to decimate your depth by trading two healthy, productive PG's for one injury-prone 35 year old, with nothing but the tax MLE and a few minimum contracts to replace them.

I'm all for trading Bledsoe to get a better fit, but the CP3 idea is a disaster and nearly everyone knows it except a few desperate Bucks fans. That's why we keep hearing rumors to the effect that it's not happening and the Bucks are exploring other options.

The trade would be Bledsoe, Ilyasova, Rolo, Wilson. The others would leave via free agency. Rest of the roster would be filled with minimum contracts like the Lakers did.

Bledsoe and Hill have never been more valuable in the playoffs than CP3. CP3, even when he is not 100% brings more than these two. Bledsoe is such just awful in the playoffs, I can't stress this enough.

I think you are mistaking "short sighted" with "risky". And I agree there is risk attached to this, but please tell me a player we can realistically acquire that moves the needle as much as him.

If i had 1 guess only player who i think moves the needle much more than CP is beal

[blazza18]

Bill Simmons is all of us if we were millionaires who owned a podcasting network. I find him fun and don't take him seriously.

[emunney]

Bill Simmons is all of us if we were millionaires who owned a podcasting network. I find him fun and don't take him seriously.

If I was a millionaire who owned a podcasting network, I would probably be eager to do anything else.

[blazza18]

Bill Simmons is all of us if we were millionaires who owned a podcasting network. I find him fun and don't take him seriously.

If I was a millionaire who owned a podcasting network, I would probably be eager to do anything else.

Why not do something you enjoy?

[Prez]

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[WRau1]

If Oladipo can return to form, he'd be great here. Obviously a big risk but perhaps less risky than a CP3 deal. Damaged goods are about the best we're going to do with the assets we have at this point.

[Rstuedes24]

What does it cost us to get Oladipo?

Bled+DJ+#24 back to them+a protected first? Would be nice if we could avoid putting Donte in a trade but I imagine they wouldn’t want to deal without him being in there

[raferfenix]

Bailing on Brogdon would look even worse for us if the Pacers ultimately prefer him over Oladipo.

But what’s done is done. And we know our respective owners have a working relationship.

So if Lowe is right, what do we think a credible trade package for Dipo would look like?

I suspect Indiana would not be racing to try the Bledsoe - Brogdon combo out again. Maybe they’d prefer Hill + Ersan as the salary filler alongside whatever picks (or Donte?) that we’d end up including.

[raferfenix]

Oladipo is entering the final year of that massive contract. According to a front office source who spoke to Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report, Oladipo is “looking for a max deal” with his next contract.

Two quick thoughts here.

First, of course Oladipo wants a max contract. Every player wants one. But unless next season Oladipo bounces back to his pre-injury form, no team will offer that much, and even then he might not get it. Oladipo is playing for his next contract next season.

Second, his contract expectations could impact his trade value — Indiana is listening to offers for Oladipo, according to multiple reports (and there have been reports Oladipo wants out of Indiana, although he denies it). The Lakers and Knicks are often mentioned, and Pincus makes a case for a trade to Boston (for Gordon Hayward, a swap of guys not living up to their contracts due to injuries). Whatever team trades for him will want to re-sign him, not just use him as a one-year rental, and if he’s going to ask for the moon in 2021 it could give teams pause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2020/10/19/rumor-victor-oladipo-seeks-max-contract-with-next-deal/amp/

[theFireBlanket]

Bailing on Brogdon would look even worse for us if the Pacers ultimately prefer him over Oladipo.

But what’s done is done. And we know our respective owners have a working relationship.

So if Lowe is right, what do we think a credible trade package for Dipo would look like?

I suspect Indiana would not be racing to try the Bledsoe - Brogdon combo out again. Maybe they’d prefer Hill + Ersan as the salary filler alongside whatever picks (or Donte?) that we’d end up including.

Its not that they necessarily prefer Brogdon. It's just out now that Victor wants out of Indiana.

[emunney]

Bill Simmons is all of us if we were millionaires who owned a podcasting network. I find him fun and don't take him seriously.

If I was a millionaire who owned a podcasting network, I would probably be eager to do anything else.

Why not do something you enjoy?

Exactly!