Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[twix2500]

Grant is another bad rebounder what does Grant bring that the Heat do not already have?

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[RexBoyWonder]

If DeRozen could have shoot 3's i would have liked him next to jimmy. but he cant.

Considering cost and our needs - Gallinari on a 1 year deal is our best option this off-season imo.

LMA getting old and less of a pure 3 point shooter, Christian Wood probably demands too many years.

[carnageta]

Grant does not cut it for me. I don’t think he would move the needle. I would rather resign Crowder.

Jae is the dog we need. He’s one of the few who doesn’t back down from superior talent and isn’t afraid to commit hard fouls. He played a huge part in containing Giannis/Tatum/Brown etc during our run. Jerami is NOT that guy. He’s not a dog and he shot a worse % from three in the postseason than Jae did. Grant is a thin dude.. he’s literally DJJ with a better three point shot (but lesser hops).

Wouldn’t be my first choice this free agency.

[AirP.]

I'm just going to keep saying what I've been saying for a year now... go get EMBIID to Miami to team up with Butler and yeah, I move Bam to make that happen. Embiid can be a top 5 player in the league in Miami's environment under Spo. A good coach(not a fan of B.Brown's) and that Philly roster from last year probably would have won the championship this year.

Just image this... instead of Embiid sitting at the 3 point line wasting his size, strength and skill as a stretch 5 because his main ball handler won't shoot outside of 10 feet allowing his defender to cheat inside, Embiid playing Bam's role, you lose that pick and roll alley oop and Bam's switch-ability but you gain a WAY more skilled offensive player and a guy who would be a dominate rim protector.

I do fear that this is the only offseason he'll be available(although maybe Rivers will stop any chance of moving Embiid), with B.Brown gone I suspect Embiid will be utilized much better than he has been and with that, upping his current value.

Sorry, Z.Lowe and B.Simmons on today's Lowe Post mention Embiid in shape is possibly a top 3 player in the league and there's probably only a few teams that will make sure Embiid stays in shape, Miami to me being one of those teams.

[Bishop45]

I don't think a big can be a top 5 player today, I only assume Giannis to be one cause of the uncertainty of KD's health

Biid's better than Bam but I wouldn't be in a rush to make that deal(unless supermax makes Bam's contract look identical, which would make it a much more difficult trade to facilitate without an asset like Jerri attached and I wouldn't do Herro/Bam for Biid)

[Beenie]

If DeRozen could have shoot 3's i would have liked him next to jimmy. but he cant.

Considering cost and our needs - Gallinari on a 1 year deal is our best option this off-season imo.

LMA getting old and less of a pure 3 point shooter, Christian Wood probably demands too many years.

I don't know that DeRozen is the ideal fit but it's not because of his lack of a 3 point touch. He shoots over 50% from the field and almost 85% from the line (and gets to the line a ton) so he compensates nicely with his 'below 3-point line' production. The team's biggest deficiencies, imo, are their lack of talented bigs (outside of Bam) who can defend/rebound and a true elite ball-handler who can control the half-court offense when things get rocky as they often do. DeRozen doesn't help in those areas.

Either does Gallo for that matter. Doesn't mean that they wouldn't add value to the team. It's just hard to imagine either as being a priority.

[SA37]

Ibaka is likely to get a one year golden handshake from the Raptors this off-season. Word is that some mega-contract is likely in the works, heaping something like 26-30 M on him, to keep the Raptors max slot intact for 2021. On a multi-year deal elsewhere, he'll likely demand the sort of money that can compromise the cap space for a run at Giannis. Cap-wise there are only three realistic contenders at this point for Gianni. The Heat, the Mavs, and the Raptors. All others, either don't have the roster or organization to entice his interest, or would rely on an unlikely sign-and-trade with questionable assets.

I could see that, although that'd be mighty risky on his part given he'll be 32 when he'd get his big contract. The other things is, I don't know if anyone else has enough room and desire to offer him big money this offseason. Teams like the Clippers, the Rockets, the Celtics, Golden St.... they could all use him and you'd think they'd be willing to give him 3-4 years at $15-20 million per.

There is something called Salary Cap so No those Teams can't sign him.

Yeah, but there is also something called sign-and-trades.

[wadenation305]

A Healthy, in shape Demarcus Cousins is exactly what we'd need next to Bam, Sadly he's a Lebron Stan and will most likely dick ride the Lakers.

**EDIT* Pure Dreaming but come on

Giannis
Butler
Robinson
Bam
Cousins

UFFF

[RexBoyWonder]

If DeRozen could have shoot 3's i would have liked him next to jimmy. but he cant.

Considering cost and our needs - Gallinari on a 1 year deal is our best option this off-season imo.

LMA getting old and less of a pure 3 point shooter, Christian Wood probably demands too many years.

I don't know that DeRozen is the ideal fit but it's not because of his lack of a 3 point touch. He shoots over 50% from the field and almost 85% from the line (and gets to the line a ton) so he compensates nicely with his 'below 3-point line' production. The team's biggest deficiencies, imo, are their lack of talented bigs (outside of Bam) who can defend/rebound and a true elite ball-handler who can control the half-court offense when things get rocky as they often do. DeRozen doesn't help in those areas.

Either does Gallo for that matter. Doesn't mean that they wouldn't add value to the team. It's just hard to imagine either as being a priority.

The issue is, there's basically a couple of bigs in the entire league that can really rebound, defend and hit 3's. And the hitting 3's part is key, because our spacing will suck with Bam + Jimmy + another traditional non shooting big. We need a real shooter in that spot to maximize our offense and give Jimmy and Bam room to work inside.

M.Turner is one but he's not really attainable for us unless we give up real assets,
I don't trust Aron Baynes's shooting at all,
LMA can't really defend at his age and got super slow,
Germi Greant will get a long term contract from someone,
C.Wood will too,
There's a couple of stretch bigs in the draft but I doubt we can get them at #20,

Ibaka could fit maybe...for a big 1 year deal? if he wants to leave Toronto..Maybe S&T for Kelly...

[RexBoyWonder]

BTW - is anyone else besides me hopeful about Gabe Vincent?

I mean the guy had shooting year very similar to the one Duncan had for our G-league team. I think he's probably not quite at Duncan's level as a shooter, but still a very good one. And on defense, he's probably considerably better then Duncan.

Not sure why everyone is writing him off. A great shooting PG with good size and strength, I don't' see why he can't be a rotation guy.

[wadenation305]

BTW - is anyone else besides me hopeful about Gabe Vincent?

I mean the guy had shooting year very similar to the one Duncan had for our G-league team. I think he's probably not quite at Duncan's level as a shooter, but still a very good one. And on defense, he's probably considerably better then Duncan.

Not sure why everyone is writing him off. A great shooting PG with good size and strength, I don't' see why he can't be a rotation guy.

Could be that this upcoming season he shows us something, the Heat have shown they are good at finding people no one else thought of, but this season in the time he did play he really didn't show much of anything (But was the same with Robinson the first time around). Year two seems to be where if they are something they start to show it, so let's see.

[greg4012]

Ibaka is likely to get a one year golden handshake from the Raptors this off-season. Word is that some mega-contract is likely in the works, heaping something like 26-30 M on him, to keep the Raptors max slot intact for 2021. On a multi-year deal elsewhere, he'll likely demand the sort of money that can compromise the cap space for a run at Giannis. Cap-wise there are only three realistic contenders at this point for Gianni. The Heat, the Mavs, and the Raptors. All others, either don't have the roster or organization to entice his interest, or would rely on an unlikely sign-and-trade with questionable assets.

And how does that interplay with the FVV free agency?

[greg4012]

There is something called Salary Cap so No those Teams can't sign him.

You really need to figure out how to format quotes on this board

[RonaldSeikaly]

If DeRozen could have shoot 3's i would have liked him next to jimmy. but he cant.

Considering cost and our needs - Gallinari on a 1 year deal is our best option this off-season imo.

LMA getting old and less of a pure 3 point shooter, Christian Wood probably demands too many years.

I don't know that DeRozen is the ideal fit but it's not because of his lack of a 3 point touch. He shoots over 50% from the field and almost 85% from the line (and gets to the line a ton) so he compensates nicely with his 'below 3-point line' production. The team's biggest deficiencies, imo, are their lack of talented bigs (outside of Bam) who can defend/rebound and a true elite ball-handler who can control the half-court offense when things get rocky as they often do. DeRozen doesn't help in those areas.

Either does Gallo for that matter. Doesn't mean that they wouldn't add value to the team. It's just hard to imagine either as being a priority.

The issue is, there's basically a couple of bigs in the entire league that can really rebound, defend and hit 3's. And the hitting 3's part is key, because our spacing will suck with Bam + Jimmy + another traditional non shooting big. We need a real shooter in that spot to maximize our offense and give Jimmy and Bam room to work inside.

M.Turner is one but he's not really attainable for us unless we give up real assets,
I don't trust Aron Baynes's shooting at all,
LMA can't really defend at his age and got super slow,
Germi Greant will get a long term contract from someone,
C.Wood will too,
There's a couple of stretch bigs in the draft but I doubt we can get them at #20,

Ibaka could fit maybe...for a big 1 year deal? if he wants to leave Toronto..Maybe S&T for Kelly...

There are very few that can hit the three at volume while defending and rebounding. But we don’t need a lot of scoring out of that position, we just need it to be a viable threat for spacing. What we’re looking for is a 15 minute to 20 minute person per night, and more if Bam gets injured.


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[Beenie]

BTW - is anyone else besides me hopeful about Gabe Vincent?

I mean the guy had shooting year very similar to the one Duncan had for our G-league team. I think he's probably not quite at Duncan's level as a shooter, but still a very good one. And on defense, he's probably considerably better then Duncan.

Not sure why everyone is writing him off. A great shooting PG with good size and strength, I don't' see why he can't be a rotation guy.

He and Silva are continually overlooked as possible contributors next season.

[Beenie]

If DeRozen could have shoot 3's i would have liked him next to jimmy. but he cant.

Considering cost and our needs - Gallinari on a 1 year deal is our best option this off-season imo.

LMA getting old and less of a pure 3 point shooter, Christian Wood probably demands too many years.

I don't know that DeRozen is the ideal fit but it's not because of his lack of a 3 point touch. He shoots over 50% from the field and almost 85% from the line (and gets to the line a ton) so he compensates nicely with his 'below 3-point line' production. The team's biggest deficiencies, imo, are their lack of talented bigs (outside of Bam) who can defend/rebound and a true elite ball-handler who can control the half-court offense when things get rocky as they often do. DeRozen doesn't help in those areas.

Either does Gallo for that matter. Doesn't mean that they wouldn't add value to the team. It's just hard to imagine either as being a priority.

The issue is, there's basically a couple of bigs in the entire league that can really rebound, defend and hit 3's. And the hitting 3's part is key, because our spacing will suck with Bam + Jimmy + another traditional non shooting big. We need a real shooter in that spot to maximize our offense and give Jimmy and Bam room to work inside.

M.Turner is one but he's not really attainable for us unless we give up real assets,
I don't trust Aron Baynes's shooting at all,
LMA can't really defend at his age and got super slow,
Germi Greant will get a long term contract from someone,
C.Wood will too,
There's a couple of stretch bigs in the draft but I doubt we can get them at #20,

Ibaka could fit maybe...for a big 1 year deal? if he wants to leave Toronto..Maybe S&T for Kelly...

The pickings are slim for versatile bigs. Point taken.

A Shawn Marion/Kirilenko/Gerald Wallace type would be dreamy on this team.

Back to reality, my guess is that Mia hasn't abandoned the idea of Aldrige as a trade option. His 1-year deal checks a key box for the team's apparent strategy.

Personally, I'm on the Cousins bandwagon. The risk/reward factor makes too much sense and Mia was rumored to have coveted him last year so it seems likely that they haven't omitted him off of their grocery list.

If Hou decides to rebuild, Covington is also a fitting target.

[carnageta]

I'm just going to keep saying what I've been saying for a year now... go get EMBIID to Miami to team up with Butler and yeah, I move Bam to make that happen. Embiid can be a top 5 player in the league in Miami's environment under Spo. A good coach(not a fan of B.Brown's) and that Philly roster from last year probably would have won the championship this year.

Just image this... instead of Embiid sitting at the 3 point line wasting his size, strength and skill as a stretch 5 because his main ball handler won't shoot outside of 10 feet allowing his defender to cheat inside, Embiid playing Bam's role, you lose that pick and roll alley oop and Bam's switch-ability but you gain a WAY more skilled offensive player and a guy who would be a dominate rim protector.

I do fear that this is the only offseason he'll be available(although maybe Rivers will stop any chance of moving Embiid), with B.Brown gone I suspect Embiid will be utilized much better than he has been and with that, upping his current value.

Sorry, Z.Lowe and B.Simmons on today's Lowe Post mention Embiid in shape is possibly a top 3 player in the league and there's probably only a few teams that will make sure Embiid stays in shape, Miami to me being one of those teams.

I want Biid' as bad as you do but I'm not willing to give up Bam for him. Joel is too injury prone and although he can play like the best C in the league at times, we'll miss a lot of what Bam brings in the passing, pick and roll defense and the lobs (like you stated).

Bam's jumper has improved each and every season in the league, and it should continue to get better as time goes on. He may never be as gifted of an offensive scorer Embiid is, but we don't necessarily need him to be.

Adebayo is a lifer' in my book.

[greg4012]

Fun fact: Bam has played in more NBA games in his career than Joel Embiid.

Embiid entered the NBA in 2014. Bam entered the NBA in 2017

[fbalmeida]

Ibaka is likely to get a one year golden handshake from the Raptors this off-season. Word is that some mega-contract is likely in the works, heaping something like 26-30 M on him, to keep the Raptors max slot intact for 2021. On a multi-year deal elsewhere, he'll likely demand the sort of money that can compromise the cap space for a run at Giannis. Cap-wise there are only three realistic contenders at this point for Gianni. The Heat, the Mavs, and the Raptors. All others, either don't have the roster or organization to entice his interest, or would rely on an unlikely sign-and-trade with questionable assets.

And how does that interplay with the FVV free agency?

I've been tracking the math and keeping tabs on what capologists like Blake Murphy have to say about it and the numbers are pretty consistent with the following:

Assuming a 109 M cap, preserving a 33 M max slot for Giannis, onto the probable 2021 active roster salary and cap holds (Siakam, OG, Davis, Thomas, Hernandez, Watson, Brissett, plus remaining roster spots, leaves the Raptors with a 20-21-ish M range for Fredderick Edmund VanVleet Sr, and 6-10 M, depending, for a nice big. That leaves about 39 M in space up to the luxury tax to re-sign guys like Anunoby, Davis, Watson, Brissett, and others, on bird rights and etc.

It's feasible, but assumes/implies:

We rid ourselves of McCaw's and Stanley Johnson's cap holds.
Sell high on Powell, packaging him this season in a deal for a nice inexpensive big or simply draft picks.
Lowry will either re-sign on the cheap in 2021 for a role as the Raptors éminence grise, or not at all.

[AirP.]

I'm just going to keep saying what I've been saying for a year now... go get EMBIID to Miami to team up with Butler and yeah, I move Bam to make that happen. Embiid can be a top 5 player in the league in Miami's environment under Spo. A good coach(not a fan of B.Brown's) and that Philly roster from last year probably would have won the championship this year.

Just image this... instead of Embiid sitting at the 3 point line wasting his size, strength and skill as a stretch 5 because his main ball handler won't shoot outside of 10 feet allowing his defender to cheat inside, Embiid playing Bam's role, you lose that pick and roll alley oop and Bam's switch-ability but you gain a WAY more skilled offensive player and a guy who would be a dominate rim protector.

I do fear that this is the only offseason he'll be available(although maybe Rivers will stop any chance of moving Embiid), with B.Brown gone I suspect Embiid will be utilized much better than he has been and with that, upping his current value.

Sorry, Z.Lowe and B.Simmons on today's Lowe Post mention Embiid in shape is possibly a top 3 player in the league and there's probably only a few teams that will make sure Embiid stays in shape, Miami to me being one of those teams.

I want Biid' as bad as you do but I'm not willing to give up Bam for him. Joel is too injury prone and although he can play like the best C in the league at times, we'll miss a lot of what Bam brings in the passing, pick and roll defense and the lobs (like you stated).

Bam's jumper has improved each and every season in the league, and it should continue to get better as time goes on. He may never be as gifted of an offensive scorer Embiid is, but we don't necessarily need him to be.

Adebayo is a lifer' in my book.

If you wouldn't upgrade(imo) Bam to Embiid then obviously you don't want Embiid nearly as badly as I do. 2 things, 1, I believe the ceiling of Embiid surpasses Bam's ceiling by a good amount and the 2nd is Embiid and Bam should be playing the same spot on the floor, the 5. If you can get Embiid without giving up Butler or Bam great but I don't think that's happening plus you'd have 3 average and below 3pt shooters on the court way too often.

Pros of Embiid over Bam.
- Better outside shooting.
- Better low post scoring.
- Has a scorer's mentality.
- Actually can be a go to scorer at the end of games.
- A dominate rim protector.
- Size alone makes him a mismatch nearly every night on both ends.

Pros of Bam over Embiid.
- Better passer.
- Able to initiate the offense.
- Better switch-ability on defense.
- Better pick an roller.
- Can play a much faster pace.

Bam is one of the top bigs in the league, there's only a few player's I'd consider moving Bam for and I believe Embiid is one of those few players. Not the Embiid we've seen in Philly but the Embiid you'd get with him in Miami.

After watching the last 2 playoffs, I think Butler and Embiid are a much more deadly combo then Butler and Bam is. Last year's Philly team probably beat's the Lakers pretty easily in the finals this year, it still boggles my mind they didn't keep that team together.