2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[Pointgod]

The last AZ Senate poll cited there was four days ago and it was Susquehanna, which appears to be a Republican leaning org

Prior to that the vast majority of polls there had Kelly up

It's also worth noting that the Susquehanna poll is from a Trump SuperPAC

Could be seen as sort of BothSidesIsmy of 538 to include them then

Nate Silver has a good explanation regarding why he keeps **** rated pollsters in. The ridiculousness works both way. You’ll see a **** rated pollster that has Biden up 11 points in Georgia. His reasoning is that you can’t start cherry picking polls and it all comes out a wash in the end because you get enough Well rated pollsters to balance out the noise. And a lot of polls in the last we will be noise so don’t spend too much time getting too high or too low.

[dakomish23]

It's hilarious how many folks defend the "if Biden wins, your cities will be like this" , while showing a video of a city under President Trump right now, by saying he's not responsible it's Dem cities.

Either the President has an impact on how these cities are run or he doesn't. If he does, then he gets part of the blame. If he doesn't, then he's absolved, but then Biden would be also.

It's one or the other.

[Clyde_Style]

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Trump is running scared, making more flippant comments about how much it sucks to be him and wanting to escape

Yeah, he should be scared ......

.... because E. Jean Carroll is closing in on him and she is going to put him away for raping her

William Barr strikes out yet again

Justice Dept. Blocked in Bid to Shield Trump From Rape Defamation Suit

The Justice Department tried to intervene to represent President Trump against the lawsuit by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who claims he lied when he denied raping her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Last month, the Justice Department abruptly intervened on Mr. Trump’s behalf in the suit, which had been filed in state court in New York, citing a law designed to protect federal employees against litigation stemming from the performance of their duties.

Under that law, the Federal Tort Claims Act, the department sought to move Ms. Carroll’s suit to federal court and to substitute the United States for Mr. Trump as the defendant — a move that would have likely led to the dismissal of the charges.

While the Justice Department has used the law to shield members of Congress from being sued for defamation over things they have said, the department has rarely, if ever, used it to grant immunity to a president.

But Judge Kaplan, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, ruled against the department’s maneuver, saying Mr. Trump was not acting in his official capacity when he denied the accusation.

“His comments concerned an alleged sexual assault that took place several decades before he took office, and the allegations have no relationship to the official business of the United States,” the judge wrote.

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LEGAL OPINION:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/2020-10-27-E%20Jean%20Carroll%20Ruling/2d7c8298421aa28d/full.pdf

The noose is tigthening around Trump's neck and Vlad has already publicly abandoned him so I guess he'll have to beg North Korea to take him in

[Knick4Real]

It took almost 3 hours in line, but I got it done.
And it feels sooo good!

[Pointgod]

Read on Twitter

Trump is running scared, making more flippant comments about how much it sucks to be him and wanting to escape

Yeah, he should be scared ......

.... because E. Jean Carroll is closing in on him and she is going to put him away for raping her

William Barr strikes out yet again

Justice Dept. Blocked in Bid to Shield Trump From Rape Defamation Suit

The Justice Department tried to intervene to represent President Trump against the lawsuit by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who claims he lied when he denied raping her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Last month, the Justice Department abruptly intervened on Mr. Trump’s behalf in the suit, which had been filed in state court in New York, citing a law designed to protect federal employees against litigation stemming from the performance of their duties.

Under that law, the Federal Tort Claims Act, the department sought to move Ms. Carroll’s suit to federal court and to substitute the United States for Mr. Trump as the defendant — a move that would have likely led to the dismissal of the charges.

While the Justice Department has used the law to shield members of Congress from being sued for defamation over things they have said, the department has rarely, if ever, used it to grant immunity to a president.

But Judge Kaplan, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, ruled against the department’s maneuver, saying Mr. Trump was not acting in his official capacity when he denied the accusation.

“His comments concerned an alleged sexual assault that took place several decades before he took office, and the allegations have no relationship to the official business of the United States,” the judge wrote.

Read on Twitter

LEGAL OPINION:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/2020-10-27-E%20Jean%20Carroll%20Ruling/2d7c8298421aa28d/full.pdf

The noose is tigthening around Trump's neck and Vlad has already publicly abandoned him so I guess he'll have to beg North Korea to take him in

It’s kind of wild that the only thing keeping the current President from jail time is the guidelines that a sitting President can’t be indicted. It’s not like Trump is actually doing any work, he’s flying around the country doing super spreader events.

[Clyde_Style]

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Trump is running scared, making more flippant comments about how much it sucks to be him and wanting to escape

Yeah, he should be scared ......

.... because E. Jean Carroll is closing in on him and she is going to put him away for raping her

William Barr strikes out yet again

Justice Dept. Blocked in Bid to Shield Trump From Rape Defamation Suit

The Justice Department tried to intervene to represent President Trump against the lawsuit by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who claims he lied when he denied raping her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Last month, the Justice Department abruptly intervened on Mr. Trump’s behalf in the suit, which had been filed in state court in New York, citing a law designed to protect federal employees against litigation stemming from the performance of their duties.

Under that law, the Federal Tort Claims Act, the department sought to move Ms. Carroll’s suit to federal court and to substitute the United States for Mr. Trump as the defendant — a move that would have likely led to the dismissal of the charges.

While the Justice Department has used the law to shield members of Congress from being sued for defamation over things they have said, the department has rarely, if ever, used it to grant immunity to a president.

But Judge Kaplan, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, ruled against the department’s maneuver, saying Mr. Trump was not acting in his official capacity when he denied the accusation.

“His comments concerned an alleged sexual assault that took place several decades before he took office, and the allegations have no relationship to the official business of the United States,” the judge wrote.

Read on Twitter

LEGAL OPINION:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/2020-10-27-E%20Jean%20Carroll%20Ruling/2d7c8298421aa28d/full.pdf

The noose is tigthening around Trump's neck and Vlad has already publicly abandoned him so I guess he'll have to beg North Korea to take him in

It’s kind of wild that the only thing keeping the current President from jail time is the guidelines that a sitting President can’t be indicted. It’s not like Trump is actually doing any work, he’s flying around the country doing super spreader events.

He's imploding, going to rallies and talking nonsense, no strategy or he's otherwise watching Fox News with a week to go and chit talking on Twitter. There is no plan, just desperation. And Pence is spreading the virus like Johnny Appleseed too.

As far as SCOTUS, all of the fear mongering doesn't help anyone. SCOTUS needs a close election to get involved and this will not be hanging in the balance because some red states with GOP control try to monkey wrench this. The electoral majority for Biden will still become conclusive as individual states certify their results and as the totals become evident it will negate the involvement of SCOTUS. And even if somehow SCOTUS is pulled into this, it would not negate the certified results. It would only prolong the BS and chit talking about stealing the election.

If this was a close election, then yes, it would be a nightmare in the making, but it is not going to be hanging in the balance.

[rammagen]

The poll numbers in the GA Senate races are turning heavily blue, including Ossof

NV's state poll numbers are getting bluer too

I'd say GA and NV are some of the better benchmarks for the direction the vote is taking

NV I'm not too worried about... I can't get the numbers but how's the two GA races are doing? I'm reading huge turnouts in GA.

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well enough people here are fed up with trump that most of his base in the atlanta area are voting blue that makes the stat a toss up for the president and for the first time since carter I think it may vote blue. Also Ossoff for one senat seat it is now a tight race with 1 point difference in the polling. Ossoff may win I hope he does I voted for him I can't stand Purdue's politics and have told him so.
The last race will be a run off between a dem and republicans for another senate seat
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522727-ajc-poll-shows-deadlocked-races-for-president-senate-seats-in-georgia

[Elnegron]

The poll numbers in the GA Senate races are turning heavily blue, including Ossof

NV's state poll numbers are getting bluer too

I'd say GA and NV are some of the better benchmarks for the direction the vote is taking

Stop believing polls son. Polls these days are as good as Hawks chances of winning a title

[rammagen]

Read on Twitter

Trump is running scared, making more flippant comments about how much it sucks to be him and wanting to escape

Yeah, he should be scared ......

.... because E. Jean Carroll is closing in on him and she is going to put him away for raping her

William Barr strikes out yet again

Justice Dept. Blocked in Bid to Shield Trump From Rape Defamation Suit

The Justice Department tried to intervene to represent President Trump against the lawsuit by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who claims he lied when he denied raping her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Last month, the Justice Department abruptly intervened on Mr. Trump’s behalf in the suit, which had been filed in state court in New York, citing a law designed to protect federal employees against litigation stemming from the performance of their duties.

Under that law, the Federal Tort Claims Act, the department sought to move Ms. Carroll’s suit to federal court and to substitute the United States for Mr. Trump as the defendant — a move that would have likely led to the dismissal of the charges.

While the Justice Department has used the law to shield members of Congress from being sued for defamation over things they have said, the department has rarely, if ever, used it to grant immunity to a president.

But Judge Kaplan, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, ruled against the department’s maneuver, saying Mr. Trump was not acting in his official capacity when he denied the accusation.

“His comments concerned an alleged sexual assault that took place several decades before he took office, and the allegations have no relationship to the official business of the United States,” the judge wrote.

Read on Twitter

LEGAL OPINION:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/2020-10-27-E%20Jean%20Carroll%20Ruling/2d7c8298421aa28d/full.pdf

The noose is tigthening around Trump's neck and Vlad has already publicly abandoned him so I guess he'll have to beg North Korea to take him in

It’s kind of wild that the only thing keeping the current President from jail time is the guidelines that a sitting President can’t be indicted. It’s not like Trump is actually doing any work, he’s flying around the country doing super spreader events.

I would expect the guidelines to change. That is this AG's interpretation of the law. The minute this position changes the stance will change I would expect a dem controlled gov will make it law that a sitting president can be charged with crimes at certain crimes, such as tax evasion or rape or obstruction of an investigation

[Jeffrey]

The poll numbers in the GA Senate races are turning heavily blue, including Ossof

NV's state poll numbers are getting bluer too

I'd say GA and NV are some of the better benchmarks for the direction the vote is taking

NV I'm not too worried about... I can't get the numbers but how's the two GA races are doing? I'm reading huge turnouts in GA.

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well enough people here are fed up with trump that most of his base in the atlanta area are voting blue that makes the stat a toss up for the president and for the first time since carter I think it may vote blue. Also Ossoff for one senat seat it is now a tight race with 1 point difference in the polling. Ossoff may win I hope he does I voted for him I can't stand Purdue's politics and have told him so.
The last race will be a run off between a dem and republicans for another senate seat
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522727-ajc-poll-shows-deadlocked-races-for-president-senate-seats-in-georgia

Thanks for your report! I'm hoping that Ossoff could pull this off.

As for Loeffler's seat, I'm pretty sure when the runoff begins in January ( I believe thats when it happens), at least a couple hundred million will be poured into that fight. But again, it's all about turnouts and liberals are notoriously bad a turning out for off-cycle elections.

[Jeffrey]

The poll numbers in the GA Senate races are turning heavily blue, including Ossof

NV's state poll numbers are getting bluer too

I'd say GA and NV are some of the better benchmarks for the direction the vote is taking

NV I'm not too worried about... I can't get the numbers but how's the two GA races are doing? I'm reading huge turnouts in GA.

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Polling indicates Warnock has opened a massive lead over Loeffler and Collins. Since that is a special election seat the GOP has split their vote and that leaves the sole Democrat with a 15-20 point lead now, so the GA turnout seems to be turning that into a sure victory

Ossoff seems to be pulling ahead of Perdue in the latest polls. One of the topline results I pulled from the poll asks this:

Topline Results1. If the election for U.S. Senator from Georgia were held today, who would you votefor?

Jon Ossoff, Democrat 51%
David Perdue, Republican 45%
Shane Hazel, Libertarian 2%
Someone else 1%
Unsure 1%

So if the vote margins hold up, there could be two new Dem Senators in GA, but there appears to be at least one so far

Clyde, the special election needs to be won by 50% or more in order to avoid the runoff is that correct?

[Fat Kat]

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[rammagen]

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Trump is running scared, making more flippant comments about how much it sucks to be him and wanting to escape

Yeah, he should be scared ......

.... because E. Jean Carroll is closing in on him and she is going to put him away for raping her

William Barr strikes out yet again

Justice Dept. Blocked in Bid to Shield Trump From Rape Defamation Suit

The Justice Department tried to intervene to represent President Trump against the lawsuit by the writer E. Jean Carroll, who claims he lied when he denied raping her.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html

Read on Twitter

LEGAL OPINION:
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/2020-10-27-E%20Jean%20Carroll%20Ruling/2d7c8298421aa28d/full.pdf

The noose is tigthening around Trump's neck and Vlad has already publicly abandoned him so I guess he'll have to beg North Korea to take him in

It’s kind of wild that the only thing keeping the current President from jail time is the guidelines that a sitting President can’t be indicted. It’s not like Trump is actually doing any work, he’s flying around the country doing super spreader events.

He's imploding, going to rallies and talking nonsense, no strategy or he's otherwise watching Fox News with a week to go and chit talking on Twitter. There is no plan, just desperation. And Pence is spreading the virus like Johnny Appleseed too.

As far as SCOTUS, all of the fear mongering doesn't help anyone. SCOTUS needs a close election to get involved and this will not be hanging in the balance because some red states with GOP control try to monkey wrench this. The electoral majority for Biden will still become conclusive as individual states certify their results and as the totals become evident it will negate the involvement of SCOTUS. And even if somehow SCOTUS is pulled into this, it would not negate the certified results. It would only prolong the BS and chit talking about stealing the election.

If this was a close election, then yes, it would be a nightmare in the making, but it is not going to be hanging in the balance.

here is the thing that the reps should fear if there is no clear winner and the results are in court after jan 20 12 noon pm est.....who becomes the next president?
It should be the speaker of the house who is next in the chain of Command, at the moment Nancy Polosi You cant say for sure who it will be because she is also up for reelection. Can you imagine the reps being that stupid enough to the this tied up in court for that long?

The key to the amendment is the line " and successors had not been chosen"

The 20th amendment to the U.S. Constitution says the terms of the president and vice president end at noon Jan. 20. If an election had not taken place by that date and successors had not been chosen, Trump and Vice President Mike Pence would be out of office, regardless.

Take one minute and let that sit in...Nancy Polosi President who do you think her first targets will be?

[rammagen]

NV I'm not too worried about... I can't get the numbers but how's the two GA races are doing? I'm reading huge turnouts in GA.

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well enough people here are fed up with trump that most of his base in the atlanta area are voting blue that makes the stat a toss up for the president and for the first time since carter I think it may vote blue. Also Ossoff for one senat seat it is now a tight race with 1 point difference in the polling. Ossoff may win I hope he does I voted for him I can't stand Purdue's politics and have told him so.
The last race will be a run off between a dem and republicans for another senate seat
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/522727-ajc-poll-shows-deadlocked-races-for-president-senate-seats-in-georgia

Thanks for your report! I'm hoping that Ossoff could pull this off.

As for Loeffler's seat, I'm pretty sure when the runoff begins in January ( I believe thats when it happens), at least a couple hundred million will be poured into that fight. But again, it's all about turnouts and liberals are notoriously bad a turning out for off-cycle elections.

Well it should not be Loeffler Collins is running as well and that screws up the reps as it splits the part between old conservatives and trumpers. I voted for for Warnock as well first he is the best candidate that really has foundation to get everyone behind and he cares about people. He is a reverend and he does allot work in the community.

As for Ossoff I hope he wins, if not he will run again next time and win. Georgia is slowly turning blue as young people go to school.
One of the best things I like about living in Marietta is the mix of people old you monitories white black everyone kind of respects each other in the town and mingle with each other. Hang out at the square and you this. Now allot of people call Marietta a big city but the truth is it is not that big about 60 k people and not that large

[rammagen]

It's hilarious how many folks defend the "if Biden wins, your cities will be like this" , while showing a video of a city under President Trump right now, by saying he's not responsible it's Dem cities.

Either the President has an impact on how these cities are run or he doesn't. If he does, then he gets part of the blame. If he doesn't, then he's absolved, but then Biden would be also.

It's one or the other.

here is the thing trumpers f up it is America either you are president for everyone or you are not a successful president. these are American cities, trump cities showing them saying your cities will be like this guess what under trump they already are.

[Clyde_Style]

The poll numbers in the GA Senate races are turning heavily blue, including Ossof

NV's state poll numbers are getting bluer too

I'd say GA and NV are some of the better benchmarks for the direction the vote is taking

Stop believing polls son. Polls these days are as good as Hawks chances of winning a title

If you actually believe the early voting data is meaningless then suit yourself

[Clyde_Style]

NV I'm not too worried about... I can't get the numbers but how's the two GA races are doing? I'm reading huge turnouts in GA.

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Polling indicates Warnock has opened a massive lead over Loeffler and Collins. Since that is a special election seat the GOP has split their vote and that leaves the sole Democrat with a 15-20 point lead now, so the GA turnout seems to be turning that into a sure victory

Ossoff seems to be pulling ahead of Perdue in the latest polls. One of the topline results I pulled from the poll asks this:

Topline Results1. If the election for U.S. Senator from Georgia were held today, who would you votefor?

Jon Ossoff, Democrat 51%
David Perdue, Republican 45%
Shane Hazel, Libertarian 2%
Someone else 1%
Unsure 1%

So if the vote margins hold up, there could be two new Dem Senators in GA, but there appears to be at least one so far

Clyde, the special election needs to be won by 50% or more in order to avoid the runoff is that correct?

Warnock's numbers are flirting with a majority now so we won't know until the vote is counted whether he got over the hump.

It is now too close to predict whether a runnoff will be required.

But if a runoff is required, I expect them to win that vote with the kind of support being shown now. I think that will result in a strong local turnout in a special election vote.

[HarthorneWingo]

538 says Kelly is an 80% chance to win the seat.

I'm not sure that is a "tough race"

Well, she’s actually beating Kelly according to the polls listed by 538, so there’s that.

The last AZ Senate poll cited there was four days ago and it was Susquehanna, which appears to be a Republican leaning org

Prior to that the vast majority of polls there had Kelly up

I also got an email from Mark who stated that he’s down in the polls to McSally. Maybe it’s just a ploy for more money?

[Clyde_Style]

Well, she’s actually beating Kelly according to the polls listed by 538, so there’s that.

The last AZ Senate poll cited there was four days ago and it was Susquehanna, which appears to be a Republican leaning org

Prior to that the vast majority of polls there had Kelly up

I also got an email from Mark who stated that he’s down in the polls to McSally. Maybe it’s just a ploy for more money?

Yes

[HarthorneWingo]

It took almost 3 hours in line, but I got it done.
And it feels sooo good!

What state?