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UnFadeable21 wrote:Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?
Not sure Minnesota can trade the pick since the Warriors get their 2021 pick? Plus we can't trade two first round picks in consecutive years.Def Swami wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?
No. I wouldn't want to depart with the 2021 1st round pick. It's supposed to be a better draft and if the Magic miss the playoffs, I would want that lottery pick.
basketballRob wrote:Not sure Minnesota can trade the pick since the Warriors get their 2021 pick? Plus we can't trade two first round picks in consecutive years.Def Swami wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?
No. I wouldn't want to depart with the 2021 1st round pick. It's supposed to be a better draft and if the Magic miss the playoffs, I would want that lottery pick.
I might do AG and 15 for JJ and the first pick.
Knowing our front office, they probably believe they can draft a player at 15 that's just as good as the first pick.
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UnFadeable21 wrote::wink:basketballRob wrote:Not sure Minnesota can trade the pick since the Warriors get their 2021 pick? Plus we can't trade two first round picks in consecutive years.Def Swami wrote:No. I wouldn't want to depart with the 2021 1st round pick. It's supposed to be a better draft and if the Magic miss the playoffs, I would want that lottery pick.
I might do AG and 15 for JJ and the first pick.
Knowing our front office, they probably believe they can draft a player at 15 that's just as good as the first pick.
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Timberwolves own the 17th pick this year too so they can trade the 1st.
Bensational wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote::wink:basketballRob wrote:Not sure Minnesota can trade the pick since the Warriors get their 2021 pick? Plus we can't trade two first round picks in consecutive years.
I might do AG and 15 for JJ and the first pick.
Knowing our front office, they probably believe they can draft a player at 15 that's just as good as the first pick.
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Timberwolves own the 17th pick this year too so they can trade the 1st.
What about Fournier for JJ + #17?
UnFadeable21 wrote:Bensational wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote::wink:
Timberwolves own the 17th pick this year too so they can trade the 1st.
What about Fournier for JJ + #17?
Don’t need Fourmier as we already have Malik Beasley, Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver.
We need a power forward
UnFadeable21 wrote:Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?
drsd wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Would Magic Fans do #15, Gordon and a 2021 1st for # 1, James Johnson, and Omari Spellman?
Yes.
For one Johnson's superior 3-ball shores up the Magic rotation. As well, Spellman is on an upward curve and is interesting himself. At #1 the Magic draft Edwards. If Ennis and Fournier re-up and the Magic resign Carter-Williams and Clark, the team's depth chart starts as:
Fultz/Carter-Williams
Ross/Edwards
Fournier/Spellman
Johnson/Ennis
Aminu/Okeke/Clark
Vučević/Bamba/Birch
Josh Magette, Vic Law, or Mr. #45 would fill out the roster as the final guard.
Frankly this team is not horrible. It also has pieces to build on and would mean the Magic is committed to a core whose starters include:
Fultz/Edwards/Issac/Bamba from about the 2022-2023 season.
The expiring of Fournier, Johnson, Birch and Ennis all together in the 2021 off-season means the Magic have a lot of flexibility from these salaries for a starter SF. Neither Leonard nor George are likely to move to Orlando, so this means a player like Otto Porter Jr. or Kelly Oubre Jr. is the sort of player the trade you suggest opens up for Orlando's FA interests next off-season.
Most here would be happy to imagine a starting five of Fultz/Edwards/Porter(or-Oubre)/Issac/Bamba.
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UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
He showed signs of breaking out towards the end of last season. Oladipo didn't have an allstar season until he was 25, prior to that his stats were relatively close to what AG put up. I think waiving or trading Fournier would really help him.pepe1991 wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
ARandomStranger wrote: I want to point out that Okeke could also potentially floor us and be our true starting SF. Its not out of the cards having not seen him play a game in the NBA yet. From his college highlights he does look capable of being a quality team defender and a good to great three point shooter.
pepe1991 wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
basketballRob wrote:He showed signs of breaking out towards the end of last season. Oladipo didn't have an allstar season until he was 25, prior to that his stats were relatively close to what AG put up. I think waiving or trading Fournier would really help him.pepe1991 wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
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UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
Everyone in the basketball world uses ages not years. How many seasons has Lebron played or what age is he, people go by age.pepe1991 wrote:basketballRob wrote:He showed signs of breaking out towards the end of last season. Oladipo didn't have an allstar season until he was 25, prior to that his stats were relatively close to what AG put up. I think waiving or trading Fournier would really help him.pepe1991 wrote:
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
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Oladipo was allstar in 5th year, Gordon failed to make allstar game after 6 full seasons. So behind a Oladipo imaginary curve.
Not to mention Oladipo had literally one great season in his entire nba career. Still, one more than Gordon.
zaymon wrote:pepe1991 wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:Zach Lowe and Bobby Marks Podcast said Gordon Is Available for trade and his value is medium level.
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
I really dont know why we didnt trade Gordon last year. We knew what player he is. We knew his value is propably inflated after playoffs. I hope we still get some assets for him.