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[sco]

I agree. Dallas now doing damage control, KP was a mistake. Luka need different big helper.

Also Silas takes over Houston, interesting choice! Might be good for them, new guy, not recycled old dude.

I think this will be a mistake as Russ & Harden will just to what they want without an established coach. I think Houston falls off a cliff next season as I think that Pringles' system makes guys less disciplined and it will be hard to get them to buy into anything else.

[TheStig]

Well, Morey is one way to fix a roster. They will definitely get shooters.

He will also shake all types of things up perhaps across the whole NBA landscape. He is not afraid to make a move.

They definitely got the right guy to shake things up.

At some point though, they have to decide...Simmons or Embiid. One of them has to go.

Those guys played well when they had shooters around them. I think Morey will have to move off Hortford. If he can do Hortford and a sweetner for Hield and then use the MLE on a 3 and D PG, I think they'll be on their way to contending. They're not far.

[MrFortune3]

He will also shake all types of things up perhaps across the whole NBA landscape. He is not afraid to make a move.

They definitely got the right guy to shake things up.

At some point though, they have to decide...Simmons or Embiid. One of them has to go.

Those guys played well when they had shooters around them. I think Morey will have to move off Hortford. If he can do Hortford and a sweetner for Hield and then use the MLE on a 3 and D PG, I think they'll be on their way to contending. They're not far.

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

[MrFortune3]

So Dallas is looking for a "3rd star" to complement Luka and Porzingis. Even if they can somehow pull it off (and I don't really see a way), IMO it's a big mistake.

I don't believe in superteams with three more or less equal stars. These guys have massive egos, and there's only one basketball. The only way to make it work is if one star is the clear Alpha Dog, one is his sidekick and one basically functions as an ordinary role player, having agreed to take a back seat.

Now, Luka is such a ball hog - I'M SORRY, I MEANT BALL-DOMINANT!! - that Dallas is going to have a lot of trouble convincing an established star to join that group just to stand on the perimeter and watch Doncic launch step back threes from mid court.

In fact, I think the Mavs are well aware of all this. Signing Porzingis has turned out to be such a disaster that this search for a "3rd" star mostly looks like damage control. IMO what they're really doing is trying to find a dude to replace KP as Luka's sidekick. Porzingis can't stay healthy and his NBA career could be over very quickly. His future in Dallas looks like a floor spacer and rim protector, nothing more. That's a role he can still fulfill with his broken down body.

Of course, Cuban still has to protect KP's fragile ego by making it seem like the NEW guy would be the complementary piece, the one playing more like a role player.

Overall, though - the era of the 3+ star superteams is over, and it was really more of an experiment to begin with. Two stars/superstars seems to be a number where you can still retain flexibility to get good role players around them and not run into ego problems. The current Lakers are a good example. You absolutely couldn't fit a 3rd main guy there.

I think it has more to do with Dallas wanting to have a triumvirite of scorers who can help then win a title. Having 3 guys who can dominate is more ideal vs 2 and one having a bad series IE the Clippers.

[TheStig]

They definitely got the right guy to shake things up.

At some point though, they have to decide...Simmons or Embiid. One of them has to go.

Those guys played well when they had shooters around them. I think Morey will have to move off Hortford. If he can do Hortford and a sweetner for Hield and then use the MLE on a 3 and D PG, I think they'll be on their way to contending. They're not far.

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

Harris and Richardson were decent shooters. If they can add Hield for Hortford and sweetner, you add in a great shooter. You've got a bunch of long guys who can spread the floor next to embid and simmons.

[dougthonus]

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

The 76ers really need someone like Zach LaVine. Secondary creator, great floor spacer, cutter, would add a ton to the offense, have enough defenders to absorb his defensive hit. Too bad they don't have anything we would want if we wanted to have a refresh restart.

I think something like LaVine + Felicio for Horford + 3 1st rounders or something except even if you did that the Philly 1sts don't project to be very good, and you'd really want to find a 3rd team to take Horford which you probably couldn't do and then the picks might not even really justify taking on his deal.

[sco]

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

The 76ers really need someone like Zach LaVine. Secondary creator, great floor spacer, cutter, would add a ton to the offense, have enough defenders to absorb his defensive hit. Too bad they don't have anything we would want if we wanted to have a refresh restart.

I think something like LaVine + Felicio for Horford + 3 1st rounders or something except even if you did that the Philly 1sts don't project to be very good, and you'd really want to find a 3rd team to take Horford which you probably couldn't do and then the picks might not even really justify taking on his deal.

Wouldn't trade Zach for less than as part of a package for Simmons or Embiid. Maybe Harris, Thybull and a couple 1sts.

[MrFortune3]

Those guys played well when they had shooters around them. I think Morey will have to move off Hortford. If he can do Hortford and a sweetner for Hield and then use the MLE on a 3 and D PG, I think they'll be on their way to contending. They're not far.

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

Harris and Richardson were decent shooters. If they can add Hield for Hortford and sweetner, you add in a great shooter. You've got a bunch of long guys who can spread the floor next to embid and simmons.

Simmons doesn't shoot 3's for any type of floor spacing. Embiid really needs to be mid range and high post more than shooting 3's.
That's not going to work without a 3rd star who can get their own shot and work in conjunction with those 2.

[MrFortune3]

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

The 76ers really need someone like Zach LaVine. Secondary creator, great floor spacer, cutter, would add a ton to the offense, have enough defenders to absorb his defensive hit. Too bad they don't have anything we would want if we wanted to have a refresh restart.

I think something like LaVine + Felicio for Horford + 3 1st rounders or something except even if you did that the Philly 1sts don't project to be very good, and you'd really want to find a 3rd team to take Horford which you probably couldn't do and then the picks might not even really justify taking on his deal.

We have no use for Horford, he's a semi bad contract now and will only get worse.
Making that deal does not help roster construction. More to the point, it doesn't help us because Philly's 1sts are not likely to amount to anything.

[TheStig]

You need quite a few shooters added to the mix though. They need a PG better than Milton who can create and shoot.
Simmons needs to play either PF or SF.
Simmons, Embiid and Harris are not shooters. Richardson is ok a a shooter but they need floor spacing and shooting badly.
If Simmons is not going to develop a 3 pt shot, it will not matter what else you put around him and Embiid. The team will not win short of another Jimmy Butler coming along and having term on his contract.

Harris and Richardson were decent shooters. If they can add Hield for Hortford and sweetner, you add in a great shooter. You've got a bunch of long guys who can spread the floor next to embid and simmons.

Simmons doesn't shoot 3's for any type of floor spacing. Embiid really needs to be mid range and high post more than shooting 3's.
That's not going to work without a 3rd star who can get their own shot and work in conjunction with those 2.

It did work well when they were younger. The difference was that they had shooters around them. Embid can also hit some 3's but I agree, that shouldn't be a big facet of his game.

[MrFortune3]

Harris and Richardson were decent shooters. If they can add Hield for Hortford and sweetner, you add in a great shooter. You've got a bunch of long guys who can spread the floor next to embid and simmons.

Simmons doesn't shoot 3's for any type of floor spacing. Embiid really needs to be mid range and high post more than shooting 3's.
That's not going to work without a 3rd star who can get their own shot and work in conjunction with those 2.

It did work well when they were younger. The difference was that they had shooters around them. Embid can also hit some 3's but I agree, that shouldn't be a big facet of his game.

Both players were less set in their ways then and Embiid has become the franchise recently, whereas before it was kind of a question of who's team it really was.

[dougthonus]

We have no use for Horford, he's a semi bad contract now and will only get worse.
Making that deal does not help roster construction. More to the point, it doesn't help us because Philly's 1sts are not likely to amount to anything.

Yeah, as I said, you'd only do it if you could flip Horford for an expiring in a 3 team deal. The picks wouldn't be great, but if you didn't think you were going to resign Zach in 2 years, it wouldn't be a bad move of getting ahead of trading him, being really bad this year in an epic drat next year.

The Bulls, IMO, aren't going anywhere with this iteration. This has shades of us trying to win in the Doncic draft year. Going in, people felt that was a great draft, and we were just good enough to avoid all the really good players. This draft next year is similar, there will probably be multiple franchise caliber players in it, no need to try and win 40 this year with something that might not have potential for real growth.

[ThreeMileAllan]

LMAO @ commemorating the random year anniversary of Derrick Rose’s totally meh rookie outing hahaha. Good grief. I distinctly recall after his rookie season (and even after his sophomoric year) everyone basically accepting the fact that the top 2 in that draft were essentially going to be role players

Rose “would have been special” haha. Didn’t he win the “MVP” award? The dude tore his ACL. It’s not like he got abducted by aliens or something lol! Lots of players tear their acls & return to form. Those low iq combo guards who can’t shoot, can’t play defense, and just do A.I. fancy layups never make it that far. Rose was who he was & is who he is

Can’t wait for the next commemorated Rose moment: “on this very day/hour, 13 years 4 months & 6 days ago, at 6:06 AM, Derrick Rose shart*d at a Waffle House on the north side of Albuquerque. Here are some highlights from that afternoon”

I remember that shart. For a time, Rose was the best sharter at the 1 position in the entire league

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[MrFortune3]

We have no use for Horford, he's a semi bad contract now and will only get worse.
Making that deal does not help roster construction. More to the point, it doesn't help us because Philly's 1sts are not likely to amount to anything.

Yeah, as I said, you'd only do it if you could flip Horford for an expiring in a 3 team deal. The picks wouldn't be great, but if you didn't think you were going to resign Zach in 2 years, it wouldn't be a bad move of getting ahead of trading him, being really bad this year in an epic drat next year.

The Bulls, IMO, aren't going anywhere with this iteration. This has shades of us trying to win in the Doncic draft year. Going in, people felt that was a great draft, and we were just good enough to avoid all the really good players. This draft next year is similar, there will probably be multiple franchise caliber players in it, no need to try and win 40 this year with something that might not have potential for real growth.

Next year’s draft isn’t going to be as strong as people think. On paper this year’s draft was strong a year ago.
Then prospects played or got suspended and it changed everything.

This is definitely not the final product but I think the amount of moves people assume will happen is overblown.

[ArmTriangle]

Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni joining Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn

[Andi Obst]

Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni joining Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn

Love it. Getting D'Antoni to join his his staff is huge for Nash. Also tells you a lot about their relationship because D'Antoni is never taking that position anywhere else.

I would like to know how much the Nets' coaching staff costs them. Getting D'Antoni and Udoka as regular assistants can't be cheap.

[dougthonus]

Next year’s draft isn’t going to be as strong as people think. On paper this year’s draft was strong a year ago.
Then prospects played or got suspended and it changed everything.

I remember people saying it was a weak draft before the 19/20 season started, so I'm not sure I agree with that. I don't really follow the draft until the draft though, so I'm not sure how good this next one is, just that I've heard repeatedly it is good. I definitely did not get that vibe last year.

This is definitely not the final product but I think the amount of moves people assume will happen is overblown.

I don't think there will be many moves this year either. I would probably offer Zach a max extension (adds 3/75 onto his deal and makes his deal effectively 5 years 22 per year) and if he turns it down, look to trade him. I'd probably look to trade Lauri either way, but might hang on to him if the value is simply too low.

I just don't believe we have the core pieces of doing anything right now, so would get out ahead of the big extensions and try to reset those guys for draft picks.

I would not be attempting to win hard this year unless I felt after this year that I had something that I could build around to win really big. Lauri on an extension chews up too much cap room to do add a FA, and I fear Zach's next contract (if you can't extend him now) will be really expensive potentially, so I'd get out ahead of those two time bombs that might make it difficult to add the other pieces you need.

Now if you think Zach/Lauri can combine into something really special, then that's a different thing, and I wouldn't mind paying them. I think they're the basis of a upper 30s type team if we don't add other great pieces around them, and their future prices will make that difficult.

[Southpaw]

Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni joining Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn

That's a really nice coaching staff BKN is building there. Reminds me a lot of the Warrior when they hired Kerr.

[MGB8]

Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni joining Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn

That's a really nice coaching staff BKN is building there. Reminds me a lot of the Warrior when they hired Kerr.

More than that - D'Antoni for that team is, IMO, a coup for them. I think it's a sign that Nash will be the people and "overall philosophy / final decision" guy, but the scheme itself will be primarily D'Antoni's. And I really like the scheme fit for that roster.

When you look at D'Antoni's systems, they have really allowed for a ball dominant lead guard to flourish. This is giving Kyrie what he "needs" in order to limit the pouting and other craziness. Meanwhile, D'Antoni has made use of guys like (what we think is) the current version of Durant - think Marion / Amare / Joe Johnson in Phoenix, Amare and Melo in NY...

Dinwiddie will get cast into that Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon "bench lead" role, LaVert will be the 3rd complimentary player. Joe Harris will be resigned and get a ton of run - and Kurucs and even Waller Prince fit. Allen/Jordan move into the Capella role.

I believe coaches impact things a lot in the NBA - second only to true super stars. And with this move, I actually think Brooklyn should be the favorites to be the best regular season team in the Eastern Conference (injuries aside) - overtaking the Bucks, Celtics, Raptors and Heat (I expect the Bucks to slip a bit in the regular season).

[Southpaw]

Ime Udoka and Mike D'Antoni joining Steve Nash's staff in Brooklyn

That's a really nice coaching staff BKN is building there. Reminds me a lot of the Warrior when they hired Kerr.

More than that - D'Antoni for that team is, IMO, a coup for them. I think it's a sign that Nash will be the people and "overall philosophy / final decision" guy, but the scheme itself will be primarily D'Antoni's. And I really like the scheme fit for that roster.

When you look at D'Antoni's systems, they have really allowed for a ball dominant lead guard to flourish. This is giving Kyrie what he "needs" in order to limit the pouting and other craziness. Meanwhile, D'Antoni has made use of guys like (what we think is) the current version of Durant - think Marion / Amare / Joe Johnson in Phoenix, Amare and Melo in NY...

Dinwiddie will get cast into that Jamal Crawford, Eric Gordon "bench lead" role, LaVert will be the 3rd complimentary player. Joe Harris will be resigned and get a ton of run - and Kurucs and even Waller Prince fit. Allen/Jordan move into the Capella role.

I believe coaches impact things a lot in the NBA - second only to true super stars. And with this move, I actually think Brooklyn should be the favorites to be the best regular season team in the Eastern Conference (injuries aside) - overtaking the Bucks, Celtics, Raptors and Heat (I expect the Bucks to slip a bit in the regular season).

Totally agree, D'Antoni is a huge get for them. I liken them to the Warrior when they hired Kerr in that they surrounded a new Head Coach without prior coaching experience with veteran coaches like Ron Adams and Alvin Gentry. I can see the Nets atop the East barring injury because they'd usually have 2 of the 3 best players on the floor every night and they have decent role players as well.