2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Coxy]

Charlotte wants to trade up for Wiseman. I would do Warrior's # 2 for Charlotte's # 3, # 32, and the right to pick swap the Minneapolis pick with Charlotte's pick in 2021.

There must be a player you think Myers and Kerr like that will be available at #3 then. If Edwards and Wiseman are gone, theoretically, they must have eyes for another to do this.

Which creates a weird situation because if GS is willing to trade 1 spot down, it signals they're devaluing Wiseman and Edwards, which decreases their leverage to extract value in the deal from Charlotte. If they say let's do it, maybe Charlotte thinks they won't be choosing Wiseman anyway and can just pick him at 3 without giving up anything. And even moving up to #2, there's no guarantee you'll get him anyway since Minnesota could take him, or more likely, trade with someone who will. So I don't see this scenario as being very likely, Charlotte would be better off making a deal with Minnesota where they would be sure of getting the player they want.

Easy get around, we select Wiseman, then when they are on the clock, agree on the deal and they select for us.

[Coxy]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

It'd be entertaining, but that would give us 6 picks in this draft. Can't see Myers doing it.

[Rudruff]

You run out of player slots real quick drafting that many guys. If the Warriors are signing some win now vets as well who are you giving up on who is on the team now.

[CaliWG]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

It'd be entertaining, but that would give us 6 picks in this draft. Can't see Myers doing it.

Throw the current 2nd Rd picks into the trade as sweeteners or in exchange for future 2nd Rounders. With the consensus sweet spot in this draft being the 6-15 range, using picks to get more selections in that window would be ideal.

[CaliWG]

You run out of player slots real quick drafting that many guys. If the Warriors are signing some win now vets as well who are you giving up on who is on the team now.

Considering they only have seven(?) legitimate NBA players on the roster right now, they have a ton of holes to fill. Using four 1st Rd picks to select 2 or 3 guys who could be a part of a future core and help you as talented backups immediately would be huge for this team.

Curry, Haliburton(#6), Poole
Thompson, Nesmith(#10 for #14/#30), Josh Jackson (Vet min)
Wiggins, GR3(Vet min), McDaniels (#26)
Green, Paschall
Looney/Chriss/Baynes(Mini MLE)

[Coxy]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

[HiRez]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

For me:

1. Wiseman
2. Okoro
3. Haliburton
4. Okongwu
5. Edwards
6. Williams
7. Vassell
8. Avdija
9. Toppin
10. Hayes

-- Lower down: Pokusevski, Bane, Nesmith, S. Bey, Azubuike, Woodard, Bolmaro, Reed

Probably would have to take Ball if I were picking out of the top and he falls, but it'd make me a little sick.

[ChuckDurn]

Charlotte wants to trade up for Wiseman. I would do Warrior's # 2 for Charlotte's # 3, # 32, and the right to pick swap the Minneapolis pick with Charlotte's pick in 2021.

Virtually the exact same trade I’ve proposed in 2 separate threads, except the pick swap I had for 2021 was Charlotte’s pick (protected to somewhere between #5 and #10) swapping with with the Warriors’ pick. (Obviously would have additional conditions if the Charlotte pick was protected, I.e. the pick swap would roll to 2022 with different protections, etc.....)

[jason bourne]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

Pass for me. I rather have quality than quantity. You have a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar at the top. What if Wiseman is another Chris Bosh? Or LaMelo is All-Star Shaun Livingston. Or Anthony Edwards is the next Dwyane Wade? The guys at the bottom of the first round could mean you're stuck paying busts and trying to develop them. In 2019, Ws got Jordan Poole.

[ChuckDurn]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

That’s good value for us, but as others have mentioned, you’d definitely want to have some additional trades lined up to consolidate the picks a little bit more.

I’m skeptical that Atlanta would give up the #6 pick straight-up for Hayward, who has a huge contract and uncertain performance at this point. I do suspect the Celtics would be okay with the value, and getting off Hayward’s contract.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

Pass for me. I rather have quality than quantity. You have a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar at the top. What if Wiseman is another Chris Bosh? Or LaMelo is All-Star Shaun Livingston. Or Anthony Edwards is the next Dwyane Wade? The guys at the bottom of the first round could mean you're stuck paying busts and trying to develop them. In 2019, Ws got Jordan Poole.

What do you have against Jordan Poole?

[jason bourne]

What do you have against Jordan Poole?

Nothing. He's an example of a guy you get in the lower first round.

[jason bourne]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

That’s good value for us, but as others have mentioned, you’d definitely want to have some additional trades lined up to consolidate the picks a little bit more.

I’m skeptical that Atlanta would give up the #6 pick straight-up for Hayward, who has a huge contract and uncertain performance at this point. I do suspect the Celtics would be okay with the value, and getting off Hayward’s contract.

Celtics rip everyone off! They get the guy they want at the top of the draft to add to Tatum, Brown, and Smart. They can afford to wait almost three years to win a title. They dump oft-injured Gordon Hayward and his big salary. I hope they become the East's LA Clippers.

Hawks get burned the worst getting a guy who played only 52 games last season, his lone All-Star year is behind him, and will be lucky to get 50 games in at 30.

Warriors don't receive a vet who could help them. The picks likely won't be able to come in as a second unit except for Haliburton and Vassell who could play spot starter minutes.

[ChuckDurn]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

That’s good value for us, but as others have mentioned, you’d definitely want to have some additional trades lined up to consolidate the picks a little bit more.

I’m skeptical that Atlanta would give up the #6 pick straight-up for Hayward, who has a huge contract and uncertain performance at this point. I do suspect the Celtics would be okay with the value, and getting off Hayward’s contract.

Celtics rip everyone off! They get the guy they want at the top of the draft to add to Tatum, Brown, and Smart. They can afford to wait almost three years to win a title. They dump oft-injured Gordon Hayward and his big salary. I hope they become the East's LA Clippers.

Hawks get burned the worst getting a guy who played only 52 games last season, his lone All-Star year is behind him, and will be lucky to get 50 games in at 30.

Warriors don't receive a vet who could help them. The picks likely won't be able to come in as a second unit except for Haliburton and Vassell who could play spot starter minutes.

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

[KGdaBom]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

[KGdaBom]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

For me:

1. Wiseman
2. Okoro
3. Haliburton
4. Okongwu
5. Edwards
6. Williams
7. Vassell
8. Avdija
9. Toppin
10. Hayes

-- Lower down: Pokusevski, Bane, Nesmith, S. Bey, Azubuike, Woodard, Bolmaro, Reed

Probably would have to take Ball if I were picking out of the top and he falls, but it'd make me a little sick.

I love that both of you have Ball in his correct place. Few people do.

[Onus]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

How sure are you that he’ll be able to switch onto the perimeter and not be a complete mismatch out there?

[KGdaBom]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

How sure are you that he’ll be able to switch onto the perimeter and not be a complete mismatch out there?

There is no perfect draft pick. Guarding the perimeter will be doable for Wiseman, but a bit of a struggle. His value will be in protecting the rim, being a huge rebounding force, rim running and adequate shooting on offense. A longer David Robinson, Chris Bosh or LaMarcus Aldridge. A pretty certain all star within 4 years.

[whatisacenter]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

I think there is a 0% chance that the Warriors would be willing to trade up and a much higher percentage chance that the Warriors will trade down or out of the draft. I think there are 2 players at the top of the draft and the Warriors if they keep the pick will select whoever is left between Edwards and Wiseman but with a shortened training camp and abbreviated season, I can't see either one providing much impact for the team if they get deep into the playoffs. I think the Warriors top choice would be to trade #2 and the TPE for a veteran and top 15 pick who can get them to another level next season.

[KGdaBom]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

I think there is a 0% chance that the Warriors would be willing to trade up and a much higher percentage chance that the Warriors will trade down or out of the draft. I think there are 2 players at the top of the draft and the Warriors if they keep the pick will select whoever is left between Edwards and Wiseman but with a shortened training camp and abbreviated season, I can't see either one providing much impact for the team if they get deep into the playoffs. I think the Warriors top choice would be to trade #2 and the TPE for a veteran and top 15 pick who can get them to another level next season.

Sure if somebody offers them a star they will trade #2. I don't think anybody is going to offer them a star. Trading up for Wiseman to beat out a Charlotte offer might only require giving the Wolves Lottery protection on next years pick. I could easily see them trading up for Wiseman.