2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

DE FENSE · Post #381 » by **DE FENSE** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:13 pm

stuporman wrote:Heard AP called NV but finding no confirmation

Nope. Pretty sure NV said they would have the results at noon Eastern.

rammagen · Post #382 » by **rammagen** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:14 pm

Stannis wrote:Eh, I still think Trump wins.

Like 6 states are less than 1%.

Supreme Court is on his side.

We fcked

here is the thing and maybe I am naive the laws clearly state these votes are valid. The Supreme court would rule in favor of counting the votes not throwing out the votes. That would be dis-enfranchising the voters that voted by mail legally. before trump these poepl upheld the law personal views aside. The laws clearly on the side of counting the votes

3toheadmelo · Post #383 » by **3toheadmelo** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:15 pm

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stuporman · Post #384 » by **stuporman** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:17 pm

AmaresKnees wrote:
stuporman wrote:Heard AP called NV but finding no confirmation

On AP's site. Not seeing this anywhere.

Me, too. I guess the drop is happening in less than an hour, though

Post #385 » by **dakomish23** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:17 pm

You’re seeing a push by QAnonsense shills that PA should have had the vote count earlier. I assume it’s part of a strategy if they stop the count, they can deflect to blame the governor / sec of state.

Gov. Wolf & Dems tried to change the law to allow counties to begin processing ballots sooner, but the Rep-led legislature had refused & would only change the law if Democrats agreed to ban ballot drop boxes and support other measures that Wolf has opposed.

https://keystonenewsroom.com/story/pa-could-decide-the-presidency-and-cause-trouble/

robillionaire · Post #386 » by **robillionaire** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:20 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
god shammgod wrote:

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but if they stopped the count right now biden would win

They don't understand, they just want it to stop.

In all seriousness though: It is madly impressive how well prepared the Republican party was. They knew exactly how and to what extent the mail-in ballots would kick in. Had a plan in place, now they follow through. Look past the antics and you realize: They saw it all coming precisely. They couldn't change that Trump sucks and that their ancient programme sucks. But there are professionals in the background.

well they saw it coming because this is literally how they designed it to happen

Post #387 » by **GONYK** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:20 pm

j4remi wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Bad Timing! You ate my response to jremi when you locked the previous thread

Sorry J, I'm out of gas, cannot recreate it

Alas, those who voted for Trump this cycle were completely OK with vote fraud, hence I don't think any of them were reachable anyway. They chose their bed and it isn't democracy

This race wasn't won or lost purely on policy

My point wasn’t built around any policy whatsoever. It was about democratic electoral strategies costing them votes with people of color; losing congressional seats and losing state legislative seats in a year with a historically unpopular president.

The mistakes I singled out were:
- Failures in outreach to people of color, specifying Latino voters since I watched that closely (also rachel bitcofer co-signed Chuck Rocha on this missed opportunity both before and after the election results started pouring in).

- No ground work, literally. Democrats across the spectrum of policy views were telling the Biden campaign that they needed to put canvassers out in battleground states.

- Refusing to pick a stance on key issues. Key here is I don’t think it much matters which direction he’d have gone on the policy; but by being unclear he allowed bad faith actors to fill in the blank and convince some voters not to break his way.

The idea that no voters for Trump were reachable is patently ridiculous to me, at least from the perspective of a person from a Spanish community that knows some trump voters. Chuck Rocha had a good interview with zerlina maxwell where he explained trump’s success in FL.

“Well we beat trump” isn’t enough when the Supreme Court is stacked and Mitch McConnell has a strong chance to continue deciding what legislation gets voted on. It’s not stopping the state legislatures that moved further right. None of that is policy based; it’s just a continuation of failures that we’ve seen at least throughout my lifetime. Way too many Dems only care about holding the executive branch and it shows throughout the judicial and legislative branch being dominated by conservatives.

I don't disagree on critiques 1 and 2.

On 3, I feel a little "meh" about.

If you judge Trump solely on policy or are open to Trump despite his conduct, I think your moral compass is broken at best and you are a racist at worst. The middle of that is that you are ignorant.

I don't know how much you can appeal to those people without compromising yourself as a candidate. A candidate that looks like he's going to win by 8M+ votes

spree2kawhi · Post #388 » by **spree2kawhi** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:22 pm

rammagen wrote:
Stannis wrote:Eh, I still think Trump wins.

Like 6 states are less than 1%.

Supreme Court is on his side.

We fcked

here is the thing and maybe I am naive the laws clearly state these votes are valid. The Supreme court would rule in favor of counting the votes not throwing out the votes. That would be dis-enfranchising the voters that voted by mail legally. before trump these poepl upheld the law personal views aside. The laws clearly on the side of counting the votes

It's not going to even reach supreme court territory. Those are baseless claims that will cease and flame out on local or state level, so the result will soon be pretty firm. Biden will be president and the world can take a breather, Republicans can retool and the dems can check how far left they dare to go.

- There won't be any legal aftermath.

- There won't be any socialism in the US. Most of you don't even know what that means.

- There also won't be too much political change and you realize that once you look at how the Senate is filling out. Biden can try, but it's a putt situation.

At least the US will become reasonable and reliable.

Post #389 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:23 pm

I think Biden will end up getting more votes in PA, but it is a mess that will take time. Really hope it doesn't come down to that

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rammagen · Post #390 » by **rammagen** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:26 pm

dakomish23 wrote:You’re seeing a push by QAnonsense shills that PA should have had the vote count earlier. I assume it’s part of a strategy if they stop the count, they can deflect to blame the governor / sec of state.

Gov. Wolf & Dems tried to change the law to allow counties to begin processing ballots sooner, but the Rep-led legislature had refused & would only change the law if Democrats agreed to ban ballot drop boxes and support other measures that Wolf has opposed.

https://keystonenewsroom.com/story/pa-could-decide-the-presidency-and-cause-trouble/

the reps went to court before the election to get the vote counted earlier and stopped sooner. but the court said no everything would stay the same as before with the
same date ranges

Oscirus · Post #391 » by **Oscirus** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:27 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
AmaresKnees wrote:
stuporman wrote:Heard AP called NV but finding no confirmation

On AP's site. Not seeing this anywhere.

I also checked. There's no such idea on apnews.com.

Yea only news i see is they're monitoring the arizona sitch

Post #392 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:27 pm

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-YogiBiz- · Post #393 » by **-YogiBiz-** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:28 pm

stuporman wrote:
Stannis wrote:Eh, I still think Trump wins.

Like 6 states are less than 1%.

Supreme Court is on his side.

We fcked

I'm right there with ya, not trusting this timeline to be anything other than absolute chaos...

-YogiBiz- · Post #394 » by **-YogiBiz-** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:29 pm

mpharris36 wrote:

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As someone who lives in GA, this doesn't surprise me.....

F N 11 · Post #395 » by **F N 11** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:29 pm

BREH.................... Im off this. PA please come through for America.

Post #396 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:30 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

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As someone who lives in GA, this doesn't surprise me.....

Post #397 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:32 pm

god shammgod wrote:

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but if they stopped the count right now biden would win

trump's corner:

Spoiler:

KnicksGadfly · Post #398 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:38 pm

So...question for all. Is coronavirus had not happened and Trump had not screwed the pooch so badly in his response, would Biden have won?

Handledatruth · Post #399 » by **Handledatruth** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:40 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:So...question for all. Is coronavirus had not happened and Trump had not screwed the pooch so badly in his response, would Biden have won?

Would've been Trump's race easily.

omerome · Post #400 » by **omerome** » Thu Nov 5, 2020 4:42 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:So...question for all. Is coronavirus had not happened and Trump had not screwed the pooch so badly in his response, would Biden have won?

Nah. Coronavirus imo is what has kept this race from being a landslide for the resident, sadly. I'd say that the main message to get people to change their vote from GOP to DEM was how badly this guy screwed up the pandemic here. Even then, the resident still got more votes than he did in 2016.

Biden wouldn't have had a shot. This country was supposed to rise above this and make it clear we're "better than this", but instead, showed that this is who we are. A huge chunk of this country has a different view on reality than the rest and I am disappointed in how everything plays out - regardless of the outcome.