red4hf wrote:Nobody is giving Gobert that kind of money....... Not us, not anyone else......
You don't think someone will offer him the max?
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red4hf wrote:Nobody is giving Gobert that kind of money....... Not us, not anyone else......
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
babyjax13 wrote:red4hf wrote:Nobody is giving Gobert that kind of money....... Not us, not anyone else......
You don't think someone will offer him the max?
red4hf wrote:babyjax13 wrote:red4hf wrote:Nobody is giving Gobert that kind of money....... Not us, not anyone else......
You don't think someone will offer him the max?
I really don't..... Especially with the unknown financial situation the league is facing.....
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:red4hf wrote:babyjax13 wrote: You don't think someone will offer him the max?
I really don't..... Especially with the unknown financial situation the league is facing.....
We will know how it affects the league, though, by the time he is a free agent. Not only that, but if the cap goes down, his max will be less...
KqWIN wrote:The fact that nobody needs/wants a C is why Rudy won't get the supermax. If he wants to leave for a normal max, there might not be one out there for him.
MTJazzv3 wrote:KqWIN wrote:The fact that nobody needs/wants a C is why Rudy won't get the supermax. If he wants to leave for a normal max, there might not be one out there for him.
Not that I did any research, but seriously, what team in the league can afford Rudy at a max contract because he is the missing piece? Not being snarky, but I can't come up with one off the top of my head. For a max contract, would the Jazz be better off with a DPOY who is a center or a wing? I vote wing, (not saying one is available but for argument). Rudy is a great player and of huge value for many teams in the league, but its not like there are a bunch of suitors for a max, much less super max, center with very specific but limited offensive skills. If he could pass/be a playmaker as well? Probably, but in a weird way he is one dimensional in the playoffs - he can defend the rim all night but it doesn't matter as opponents are draining long range bombs over him/drawing him out to cover opponents center that he has to guard very far from the rim as those guys have an outside shot.
KqWIN wrote:MTJazzv3 wrote:KqWIN wrote:The fact that nobody needs/wants a C is why Rudy won't get the supermax. If he wants to leave for a normal max, there might not be one out there for him.
Not that I did any research, but seriously, what team in the league can afford Rudy at a max contract because he is the missing piece? Not being snarky, but I can't come up with one off the top of my head. For a max contract, would the Jazz be better off with a DPOY who is a center or a wing? I vote wing, (not saying one is available but for argument). Rudy is a great player and of huge value for many teams in the league, but its not like there are a bunch of suitors for a max, much less super max, center with very specific but limited offensive skills. If he could pass/be a playmaker as well? Probably, but in a weird way he is one dimensional in the playoffs - he can defend the rim all night but it doesn't matter as opponents are draining long range bombs over him/drawing him out to cover opponents center that he has to guard very far from the rim as those guys have an outside shot.
I think Rudy's good enough for max money, but like you said, there is no market for him. I think the idea situation for him would be something like Dallas, but even if Rudy was dying to play there I don't think they would offer him a max.
Rudy is our most undervalued player and I don't think it's close...we should take advantage of that and get him on a contract that reflects his market value and not necessarily what his on court value is. When Rudy signed his first $100M contract, Whiteside also signed a $100 contract. Now Whiteside will be lucky to get more than $5M. We're talking about Derrick Favors, a high quality starting C, getting the BAE and we're thinking that Gobert is going demand a supermax? That's just not the reality of the league right now. The more I think about it, the more confident I am that he'll be getting even less than the normal max.
Personally, I think Rudy's playoff "struggles" are way overblown, especially on defense. I also think he's just fine guarding the perimeter. Most people think Rudy plays by the rim because he can't guard outside, but it's the other way around. The Jazz can't play defense without Rudy by the rim and Rudy's actually really good on the perimeter.
If there is a failure on defense, it's the one defender + 4 people who do nothing defensive approach applied by Quin and this roster composition. Put Kawhi or PG on the perimeter and you're still going to get toasted if the 4 guys behind him are Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, O'Neale, Bogdanovich ect. The Clippers had both and they still got rocked by the same team.
MTJazzv3 wrote:KqWIN wrote:MTJazzv3 wrote:
Not that I did any research, but seriously, what team in the league can afford Rudy at a max contract because he is the missing piece? Not being snarky, but I can't come up with one off the top of my head. For a max contract, would the Jazz be better off with a DPOY who is a center or a wing? I vote wing, (not saying one is available but for argument). Rudy is a great player and of huge value for many teams in the league, but its not like there are a bunch of suitors for a max, much less super max, center with very specific but limited offensive skills. If he could pass/be a playmaker as well? Probably, but in a weird way he is one dimensional in the playoffs - he can defend the rim all night but it doesn't matter as opponents are draining long range bombs over him/drawing him out to cover opponents center that he has to guard very far from the rim as those guys have an outside shot.
I think Rudy's good enough for max money, but like you said, there is no market for him. I think the idea situation for him would be something like Dallas, but even if Rudy was dying to play there I don't think they would offer him a max.
Rudy is our most undervalued player and I don't think it's close...we should take advantage of that and get him on a contract that reflects his market value and not necessarily what his on court value is. When Rudy signed his first $100M contract, Whiteside also signed a $100 contract. Now Whiteside will be lucky to get more than $5M. We're talking about Derrick Favors, a high quality starting C, getting the BAE and we're thinking that Gobert is going demand a supermax? That's just not the reality of the league right now. The more I think about it, the more confident I am that he'll be getting even less than the normal max.
Personally, I think Rudy's playoff "struggles" are way overblown, especially on defense. I also think he's just fine guarding the perimeter. Most people think Rudy plays by the rim because he can't guard outside, but it's the other way around. The Jazz can't play defense without Rudy by the rim and Rudy's actually really good on the perimeter.
If there is a failure on defense, it's the one defender + 4 people who do nothing defensive approach applied by Quin and this roster composition. Put Kawhi or PG on the perimeter and you're still going to get toasted if the 4 guys behind him are Conley, Mitchell, Ingles, O'Neale, Bogdanovich ect. The Clippers had both and they still got rocked by the same team.
Good points. But honestly? I don't think the rest of the Jazz players are into playing with Rudy at this point. Not like those guys don't have to look in the mirror. Time to turn the page, re-tool around DM. The roster is a bit broken in many ways but Rudy needs a change of scenery. I honestly think the Jazz are only "so-so" interested in him at this point, much less backing up the Brinks truck.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah – With the NBA season seemingly on the horizon, ESPN’s Zach Lowe released his offseason primer discussing the biggest storylines facing the league. His report included potential trade options for the Utah Jazz and All-Star center Rudy Gobert if the team doesn’t envision a future with the two-time Defensive Player of the Year in tow.
Lowe wrote that the Jazz and Gobert reaching an agreement on a contract extension somewhere in the range of four-years and $134 million was the most likely outcome. That would be a large discount from the supermax deal Gobert is eligible for, but unlikely to receive, even if he were to hit the free agency market next year.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:SALT LAKE CITY, Utah – With the NBA season seemingly on the horizon, ESPN’s Zach Lowe released his offseason primer discussing the biggest storylines facing the league. His report included potential trade options for the Utah Jazz and All-Star center Rudy Gobert if the team doesn’t envision a future with the two-time Defensive Player of the Year in tow.
Lowe wrote that the Jazz and Gobert reaching an agreement on a contract extension somewhere in the range of four-years and $134 million was the most likely outcome. That would be a large discount from the supermax deal Gobert is eligible for, but unlikely to receive, even if he were to hit the free agency market next year.
https://kslsports.com/445416/potential-rudy-gobert-trade-options-for-the-utah-jazz/
That's an insanely good deal to me if it happens. It's $70 million less than the max, and $100 million less than the supermax.
red4hf wrote:babyjax13 wrote:SALT LAKE CITY, Utah – With the NBA season seemingly on the horizon, ESPN’s Zach Lowe released his offseason primer discussing the biggest storylines facing the league. His report included potential trade options for the Utah Jazz and All-Star center Rudy Gobert if the team doesn’t envision a future with the two-time Defensive Player of the Year in tow.
Lowe wrote that the Jazz and Gobert reaching an agreement on a contract extension somewhere in the range of four-years and $134 million was the most likely outcome. That would be a large discount from the supermax deal Gobert is eligible for, but unlikely to receive, even if he were to hit the free agency market next year.
https://kslsports.com/445416/potential-rudy-gobert-trade-options-for-the-utah-jazz/
That's an insanely good deal to me if it happens. It's $70 million less than the max, and $100 million less than the supermax.
That's exactly the extension I expect Gobert to get......
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:red4hf wrote:babyjax13 wrote:
https://kslsports.com/445416/potential-rudy-gobert-trade-options-for-the-utah-jazz/
That's an insanely good deal to me if it happens. It's $70 million less than the max, and $100 million less than the supermax.
That's exactly the extension I expect Gobert to get......
I did the math wrong because it's one less year than I expected. It is still less than the supermax and the max, though. It's $33.5 million/year. I still love that.