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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1821 » by Mylie10 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:46 pm

Little Digger wrote:I watched a scouting report on *Ball’s* D..It’s not even close to being as bad as what’s been said here ..Yes he totally lacks fundamentals, but he’s a disruptive *ball* hawk (maybe he slips to the hawks?)

If he’s competitive, Id take the risk..but I havnt seen him play nearly enough ..nobody here has..

1. Okoro
2. Ball hawk
3. Williams
4. Edwards (just cause I like him ..his motor needs an overhaul)

6. Wiseman

#5 is a mystery


You say all that and then you also run with stuff like Wiseman wants to take another year off. Your friggen bi polar dude. Have you ever taken a test to prove it?

Seriously other than Okoro, you’ve been completely whacko
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1822 » by Hopper15 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:52 pm

I'm not really concerned about the pick at this point. They will pick the right guy. But it would be tremendous for Conner to take Wiseman with Edwards still on the board.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1823 » by Mylie10 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:53 pm

I saw this videos several years ago. It turned me off on him as a guy. I’m not doubting his passing it’s elite. But everything else, meh

Just watch him not even jog to get back on defense. And he cherry picks a ton of his makes. It’s just lazy selfish basketball.



Not to mention the fugly push shot jumper
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1824 » by whatisacenter » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:53 pm

Mylie10 wrote:
Little Digger wrote:I watched a scouting report on *Ball’s* D..It’s not even close to being as bad as what’s been said here ..Yes he totally lacks fundamentals, but he’s a disruptive *ball* hawk (maybe he slips to the hawks?)

If he’s competitive, Id take the risk..but I havnt seen him play nearly enough ..nobody here has..

1. Okoro
2. Ball hawk
3. Williams
4. Edwards (just cause I like him ..his motor needs an overhaul)

6. Wiseman

#5 is a mystery


You say all that and then you also run with stuff like Wiseman wants to take another year off. Your friggen bi polar dude. Have you ever taken a test to prove it?

Seriously other than Okoro, you’ve been completely whacko


It's an odd draft and we have had an additional 4-5 months to speculate on the prospects with no clear cut number 1. LD can change his mind quickly tho...
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1825 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:56 pm

It’s been a couple months of nothing but Okoro Okoro Okoro..the only lock in this draft
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1826 » by Hopper15 » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:59 pm

Mylie10 wrote:I saw this videos several years ago. It turned me off on him as a guy. I’m not doubting his passing it’s elite. But everything else, meh

Just watch him not even jog to get back on defense. And he cherry picks a ton of his makes. It’s just lazy selfish basketball.

Not to mention the fugly push shot jumper

This is exactly what turned me off, too. I'm sure he is tremendously talented. But the attitude is worrisome.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1827 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:59 pm

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Little Digger wrote:I watched a scouting report on *Ball’s* D..It’s not even close to being as bad as what’s been said here ..Yes he totally lacks fundamentals, but he’s a disruptive *ball* hawk (maybe he slips to the hawks?)

If he’s competitive, Id take the risk..but I havnt seen him play nearly enough ..nobody here has..

1. Okoro
2. Ball hawk
3. Williams
4. Edwards (just cause I like him ..his motor needs an overhaul)

6. Wiseman

#5 is a mystery


You say all that and then you also run with stuff like Wiseman wants to take another year off. Your friggen bi polar dude. Have you ever taken a test to prove it?

Seriously other than Okoro, you’ve been completely whacko
i do the same thing with my stocks and in poker games..always changing up


Guess I’ll just have to live with the results

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1828 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:03 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:I saw this videos several years ago. It turned me off on him as a guy. I’m not doubting his passing it’s elite. But everything else, meh

Just watch him not even jog to get back on defense. And he cherry picks a ton of his makes. It’s just lazy selfish basketball.

Not to mention the fugly push shot jumper

This is exactly what turned me off, too. I'm sure he is tremendously talented. But the attitude is worrisome.
My expectations with the other top prospects is much lower than most on here

Ball maybe has a 20% shot of living up to his potential
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1829 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:06 pm

Advija I’m down on..Drops to #11 on my board

I’ll keep m10 updated on my latest moves :P
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1830 » by ChuckDurn » Mon Nov 9, 2020 6:43 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
HiRez wrote:The bottom line is it doesn’t really matter too much who Minnesota takes at #1, we’ll have a number of options at #2 including pick to keep, trade down, trade out, or pick to trade later. That’s why I don’t think we give up any assets to move up, and they probably aren’t freaking out about what Minnesota may or may not do. I’m sure they have contingencies for any scenario.


absolutely, there is no single player that merits trading up from 2 to 1.

Yep.

Interesting that nobody here, nor covering the Warriors, has ever breathed any possibility of trading up to 1. That’s only been advanced by a couple of the guys who are aligned with Minnesota, who obviously are trying to trade down.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1831 » by superunknown » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:01 pm

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Onus wrote:We'd be giving up #2, Poole and TPE for a 1 year rental on Oubre, Heurter and #10 that's better than most trade down options that have been discussed outside of people's dreams of someone including a future first.


and that's also worse than keeping our second pick, poole and TPE.

I mean I’m penciling Poole as a contributor next year but he did shoot like 33/28 splits last year. I don’t think it’s controversial to say huerter is a better player than Poole currently. So we’re getting value there. Then we get oubre to move down from 2-10. Is Anthony Edwards really worth oubre and 10 and the difference between Poole and huerter


I just don't think there is any value in trading asset for 1 year rental of oubre. that is the key point here. to your argument, it's not edwards vs oubre and 10 but edwards (or wiseman) vs 1 year of oubre and 10. next summer oubre will be gone. he'll be UFA and there is no way GS can keep him.
I could understand if you were suggesting to go all-in next year trading asset for 1 year rental of pippen (by that I mean 1 player addition that can give you a real shot at the title). oubre is not that player.

PS: I agree with you huerter is currently a better player than poole. but he does actually carry along doubts about his ability to be consistently available. that's a red flag IMO.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1832 » by jason bourne » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:09 pm

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Mylie10 wrote:I saw this videos several years ago. It turned me off on him as a guy. I’m not doubting his passing it’s elite. But everything else, meh

Just watch him not even jog to get back on defense. And he cherry picks a ton of his makes. It’s just lazy selfish basketball.

Not to mention the fugly push shot jumper

This is exactly what turned me off, too. I'm sure he is tremendously talented. But the attitude is worrisome.


It could be why he isn't doing well in interviews to explain his shortcomings, but that was in HS. He should have matured playing in the pros in Europe and Australia. Ball should explain his growing up and experience with the pros.

That doesn't bother me as it does you guys for some reason. That said, if the Ws pick him (likely a trade in the works) and keep him, then I'd be more concerned because we don't have an inside presence with a low post game that he could work with. He would also dominate the ball and it would not be optimum for him to create his own shot if passing lanes are filled or the Ws are well covered. His lack of defense isn't a deal killer (Ball can steal the ball).
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1833 » by cdubbz » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:22 pm

Mylie10 wrote:I saw this videos several years ago. It turned me off on him as a guy. I’m not doubting his passing it’s elite. But everything else, meh

Just watch him not even jog to get back on defense. And he cherry picks a ton of his makes. It’s just lazy selfish basketball.



Not to mention the fugly push shot jumper


Not worried about Lamelo as a sophomore in high school. As long as whichever NBA team drafts him disciplines him on defense & defense holds him accountable he will be solid.

The one plus he got from Chino Hills was his baseball full court passes which is an elite skill at the NBA level. His push shot is a concern for sure and so is shot selection from deep, but if Warriors draft him I’m betting on our staff and vets to teach him.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1834 » by Onus » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:45 pm

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superunknown wrote:
and that's also worse than keeping our second pick, poole and TPE.

I mean I’m penciling Poole as a contributor next year but he did shoot like 33/28 splits last year. I don’t think it’s controversial to say huerter is a better player than Poole currently. So we’re getting value there. Then we get oubre to move down from 2-10. Is Anthony Edwards really worth oubre and 10 and the difference between Poole and huerter


I just don't think there is any value in trading asset for 1 year rental of oubre. that is the key point here. to your argument, it's not edwards vs oubre and 10 but edwards (or wiseman) vs 1 year of oubre and 10. next summer oubre will be gone. he'll be UFA and there is no way GS can keep him.
I could understand if you were suggesting to go all-in next year trading asset for 1 year rental of pippen (by that I mean 1 player addition that can give you a real shot at the title). oubre is not that player.

PS: I agree with you huerter is currently a better player than poole. but he does actually carry along doubts about his ability to be consistently available. that's a red flag IMO.

We don’t get bird rights on oubre?
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1835 » by superunknown » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:48 pm

Onus wrote:
superunknown wrote:
Onus wrote:I mean I’m penciling Poole as a contributor next year but he did shoot like 33/28 splits last year. I don’t think it’s controversial to say huerter is a better player than Poole currently. So we’re getting value there. Then we get oubre to move down from 2-10. Is Anthony Edwards really worth oubre and 10 and the difference between Poole and huerter


I just don't think there is any value in trading asset for 1 year rental of oubre. that is the key point here. to your argument, it's not edwards vs oubre and 10 but edwards (or wiseman) vs 1 year of oubre and 10. next summer oubre will be gone. he'll be UFA and there is no way GS can keep him.
I could understand if you were suggesting to go all-in next year trading asset for 1 year rental of pippen (by that I mean 1 player addition that can give you a real shot at the title). oubre is not that player.

PS: I agree with you huerter is currently a better player than poole. but he does actually carry along doubts about his ability to be consistently available. that's a red flag IMO.

We don’t get bird rights on oubre?


Honestly I dunno.
We can wait for someone to answer to that.
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Post#1836 » by ChuckDurn » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:56 pm

superunknown wrote:
Onus wrote:
superunknown wrote:
I just don't think there is any value in trading asset for 1 year rental of oubre. that is the key point here. to your argument, it's not edwards vs oubre and 10 but edwards (or wiseman) vs 1 year of oubre and 10. next summer oubre will be gone. he'll be UFA and there is no way GS can keep him.
I could understand if you were suggesting to go all-in next year trading asset for 1 year rental of pippen (by that I mean 1 player addition that can give you a real shot at the title). oubre is not that player.

PS: I agree with you huerter is currently a better player than poole. but he does actually carry along doubts about his ability to be consistently available. that's a red flag IMO.

We don’t get bird rights on oubre?


Honestly I dunno.
We can wait for someone to answer to that.

We'd have Bird rights on Oubre.

But I doubt we'd be willing to invest a bunch of money (e.g. Iguodala-like money) on Oubre to be coming off the bench. And thus, we'd probably lose him to a higher bidder.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1837 » by EnricoPellini » Mon Nov 9, 2020 8:41 pm

Hey everyone, I'm a lifelong Dubs fan and long-time lurker who with a friend of mine recently attempted to create a reliable metric for individual player defense at the college level. It's called CLAMP; I've got scores for players from 2008 up to this year; Draymond in his senior year scored 38th overall out of 33,150 player-seasons, 13th out of over 13,000 wings.

I know this verges on self-promotion, but I'm not trying to make money off this document here, I just want to share it with an audience who might like it. It's a 75-page booklet with an explanation and leaderboards for CLAMP as well as full-page player profiles. I make a recommendation for the Warriors that includes a trade I haven't seen discussed for the No. 2 pick but seems like a good value for it, especially if you like guys willing to punch teammates in the face, which Steve Kerr might.

If any of that interests you, check out the pdf here (it's on google docs, it's not a download or anything), or in my signature below. As far as the top college prospects, CLAMP can't comment on Wiseman, but I think the pick is best used in conjunction with the trade exception to get veteran help down low. We need a second guy in the successor to the Death Lineup with Barnes' beef or KD's length, otherwise Draymond will be overtaxed rim-protecting by himself late in games against the Lakers, Nuggets, and a few other contenders.

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1838 » by jason bourne » Mon Nov 9, 2020 8:59 pm

Hopper15 wrote:I'm not really concerned about the pick at this point. They will pick the right guy. But it would be tremendous for Conner to take Wiseman with Edwards still on the board.


Warriors could take AntMan or now Deni Avdija as they were blown away with his workout.

'Israeli draft prospect Deni Avdija interviewed with and worked out for the Golden State Warriors and they reportedly were impressed with what he put on display.

“Not only did Avdija perform well in the workouts, but Warriors officials were blown away after meeting with him,” wrote Ethan Strauss of The Athletic. “The universal takeaway was that he’s a ‘great kid’ with an immense work ethic.”

Warriors coach Steve Kerr was among those observing, Strauss reported, and presumably GM Bob Myers was as well.

The Warriors own the second overall pick in the Nov. 18 draft. Minnesota owns the first.'

https://amicohoopsnews.com/warriors-blow-away-avdija/

There's even talk of the TWolves trading down using Wiseman or Ball and nabbing Avdija. Hopefully, the Warriors can beat them to the trade down by selecting the right guy in Ball, Wiseman, or Edwards as trade bait. It explains the TWolves selecting Wiseman news in order to trade to the Hornets and grabbing Avdija with the #3.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1839 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:21 pm

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Onus wrote:We don’t get bird rights on oubre?


Honestly I dunno.
We can wait for someone to answer to that.

And thus, we'd probably lose him to a higher bidder.

I seriously doubt that..Warriors ownership group bought the team for 300 million..it’s now worth 4 billion ..in a couple years it will be worth 10 billion if they become the face of the Association once again..200 million here..300 million there is nothing for these guys

Toss in the fact that the dub’s owners have probably nearly doubled their net worth since the season got cancelled ..these guys are heavily invested in Silicon Valley
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Post#1840 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 9, 2020 9:22 pm

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