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MrFortune3 · Post #621 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:19 am

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:Russ wants out apparently. What are our thoughts?

Donovan already tried that. Don't think he wants another go round.

Grodoboldo · Post #622 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:30 am

Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

MrFortune3 · Post #623 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:04 am

Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

I didn't like the fit with those 2 initially but realistically, what team is Westbrook going to go to that is a better situation than the Rockets? From a contention standpoint, only the Clippers would be a better fit, assuming they're the top contender for his services.

Grodoboldo · Post #624 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:14 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

I didn't like the fit with those 2 initially but realistically, what team is Westbrook going to go to that is a better situation than the Rockets? From a contention standpoint, only the Clippers would be a better fit, assuming they're the top contender for his services.

If he's demanding a trade, he must know he's not going to a contender (unless he agrees to a buy out, and lol, he won't), which makes me think he still thinks he can be the man. I think his career downfall is gonna be pretty ugly.

MrFortune3 · Post #625 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:24 am

Grodoboldo wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

I didn't like the fit with those 2 initially but realistically, what team is Westbrook going to go to that is a better situation than the Rockets? From a contention standpoint, only the Clippers would be a better fit, assuming they're the top contender for his services.

If he's demanding a trade, he must know he's not going to a contender (unless he agrees to a buy out, and lol, he won't), which makes me think he still thinks he can be the man. I think his career downfall is gonna be pretty ugly.

If the reports hadn't stated that he was concerned for the Rockets future, I would agree with wanting to be the man.
Still, it could be accurate.

Jeffster81 · Post #626 » by **Jeffster81** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:34 am

Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

How bad does this make James Harden look? I think Harden will spend the rest of his basketball career in NBA purgatory, not unlike Carmelo with the Knicks.

chitownsalesmen · Post #627 » by **chitownsalesmen** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:10 am

Jeffster81 wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

How bad does this make James Harden look? I think Harden will spend the rest of his basketball career in NBA purgatory, not unlike Carmelo with the Knicks.

What? How does this make Harden look bad? Not his fault his owner over ruled Morey one of the savviest GM's in the league to trade CP3 who was a better fit next to Harden for Westbrick who can't play in a modern offense unless every other guy on the floor can shoot from 3 because hes a bad shooting guard in the modern NBA, then to further accommodate Westbrook they traded Harden's pick-n-roll/lob threat(the bread and butter of his game) Capela for a 3+D stretch 4 in Covington. It was very clear after Morey made his HK comments he wasn't a long term part of HOU and I believe they froze him out of most of last season.

If anything this entire situation is showing how bad of an owner Fertitta is looking like he will be, Harden may luck out and get to pick his landing spot in a potential trade. I think figuring out a way to get Harden on the Sixers and Ben Simmons on the Rockets could be the best case scenario for both teams. Harden/Embiid are a dream pairing on Offense an Simmons is young enough for the Rockets to build around, its not a question if their blowing it up but when.

MrFortune3 · Post #628 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:29 am

chitownsalesmen wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:Man, that Paul for Westbrook swap must be one of the 10 worst trades I've ever seen. It just keeps getting worse.

How bad does this make James Harden look? I think Harden will spend the rest of his basketball career in NBA purgatory, not unlike Carmelo with the Knicks.

What? How does this make Harden look bad? Not his fault his owner over ruled Morey one of the savviest GM's in the league to trade CP3 who was a better fit next to Harden for Westbrick who can't play in a modern offense unless every other guy on the floor can shoot from 3 because hes a bad shooting guard in the modern NBA, then to further accommodate Westbrook they traded Harden's pick-n-roll/lob threat(the bread and butter of his game) Capela for a 3+D stretch 4 in Covington. It was very clear after Morey made his HK comments he wasn't a long term part of HOU and I believe they froze him out of most of last season.

If anything this entire situation is showing how bad of an owner Fertitta is looking like he will be, Harden may luck out and get to pick his landing spot in a potential trade. I think figuring out a way to get Harden on the Sixers and Ben Simmons on the Rockets could be the best case scenario for both teams. Harden/Embiid are a dream pairing on Offense an Simmons is young enough for the Rockets to build around, its not a question if their blowing it up but when.

Perception wise, it looks bad on Harden because it appears he recruits guys, clashes with them and then they get traded.
Happened with Howard, CP3 and now potentially Russ.

It’s not his fault, just looks bad optics wise.

sco · Post #629 » by **sco** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:47 pm

Wow that Russ contract looks bad...3 years left at ages 31-33 for $41-$47M. Hoping the Bucks find a way!

Grodoboldo · Post #630 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:11 pm

sco wrote:Wow that Russ contract looks bad...3 years left at ages 31-33 for $41-$47M. Hoping the Bucks find a way!

I think you misspelled Knicks :lol:

MGB8 · Post #631 » by **MGB8** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:14 pm

Someone had suggested that the Hornets would be a good potential destination. You'd probably send Rozier and Batum (combined 46M, but Batum's 27M expiring) for Russ's 41M. You could also swap Batum for Zeller (and maybe Monk), but I could see the Hornets viewing that as overpaying given Westbrook's contract.

I don't think adding Westbrook would work if they draft Edwards. But if they draft Wiseman or Okongwu, then Russ might fit with that player and the mix of Graham, Bridges, PJ Washington, etc.

The other plausible destination would be Orlando for some combo of players.

Beyond those two teams, I can't see anyone taking up that cap space with Russ while having room for him in the roll that he wants. I mean, there's always the Knicks... but Leon Rose isn't considered a dumb man.

sco · Post #632 » by **sco** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:17 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:Wow that Russ contract looks bad...3 years left at ages 31-33 for $41-$47M. Hoping the Bucks find a way!

I think you misspelled Knicks

Knicks are my 2nd fav team

, How about the Pacers?

troza · Post #633 » by **troza** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:38 pm

As long as the Bulls stay out of his way I will be ok.

Unless they have some info on certain player wanting to play with him (doubt that)...

About James Harden... that would be interesting... but I don't think he wants to come here...

Grodoboldo · Post #634 » by **Grodoboldo** » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:25 pm

sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
sco wrote:Wow that Russ contract looks bad...3 years left at ages 31-33 for $41-$47M. Hoping the Bucks find a way!

I think you misspelled Knicks

Knicks are my 2nd fav team , How about the Pacers?

He needs shooters, that's for sure. Maybe it could work there, but I find it hard to see them pulling the trigger when they won't even pay Oladipo.

kodo · Post #635 » by **kodo** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:10 am

The Ringer says Mavericks are seeking to add Lavine.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/oconnors-latest-bucks-mavs-lavine-gordon-more.html

O’Connor’s latest mock draft at The Ringer includes plenty of interesting tidbits, including a couple we’ve already passed along. Here are a few more highlights:

Multiple teams, including the Mavericks, have contacted the Bulls this offseason to inquire on Zach LaVine‘s availability, says O’Connor. It’s not clear if Chicago would have any interest in moving its leading scorer.

TheStig · Post #636 » by **TheStig** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:25 am

kodo wrote:The Ringer says Mavericks are seeking to add Lavine.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/oconnors-latest-bucks-mavs-lavine-gordon-more.html

O’Connor’s latest mock draft at The Ringer includes plenty of interesting tidbits, including a couple we’ve already passed along. Here are a few more highlights:

Multiple teams, including the Mavericks, have contacted the Bulls this offseason to inquire on Zach LaVine‘s availability, says O’Connor. It’s not clear if Chicago would have any interest in moving its leading scorer.

The Mavs don't really have anything to offer. Tim Hardaway JR and a late 1st doesn't move the needle.

TheStig · Post #637 » by **TheStig** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:26 am

MGB8 wrote:Someone had suggested that the Hornets would be a good potential destination. You'd probably send Rozier and Batum (combined 46M, but Batum's 27M expiring) for Russ's 41M. You could also swap Batum for Zeller (and maybe Monk), but I could see the Hornets viewing that as overpaying given Westbrook's contract.

I don't think adding Westbrook would work if they draft Edwards. But if they draft Wiseman or Okongwu, then Russ might fit with that player and the mix of Graham, Bridges, PJ Washington, etc.

The other plausible destination would be Orlando for some combo of players.

Beyond those two teams, I can't see anyone taking up that cap space with Russ while having room for him in the roll that he wants. I mean, there's always the Knicks... but Leon Rose isn't considered a dumb man.

Houston's got to get more than Rozier to keep Harden happy.

MGB8 · Post #638 » by **MGB8** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:57 am

TheStig wrote:
MGB8 wrote:Someone had suggested that the Hornets would be a good potential destination. You'd probably send Rozier and Batum (combined 46M, but Batum's 27M expiring) for Russ's 41M. You could also swap Batum for Zeller (and maybe Monk), but I could see the Hornets viewing that as overpaying given Westbrook's contract.

I don't think adding Westbrook would work if they draft Edwards. But if they draft Wiseman or Okongwu, then Russ might fit with that player and the mix of Graham, Bridges, PJ Washington, etc.

The other plausible destination would be Orlando for some combo of players.

Beyond those two teams, I can't see anyone taking up that cap space with Russ while having room for him in the roll that he wants. I mean, there's always the Knicks... but Leon Rose isn't considered a dumb man.

Houston's got to get more than Rozier to keep Harden happy.

Maybe, but they aren’t likely to get more back for an over 30 year old guy due over 120M over the next 3 seasons.

Chi town · Post #639 » by **Chi town** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:04 am

MGB8 wrote:
TheStig wrote:
MGB8 wrote:Someone had suggested that the Hornets would be a good potential destination. You'd probably send Rozier and Batum (combined 46M, but Batum's 27M expiring) for Russ's 41M. You could also swap Batum for Zeller (and maybe Monk), but I could see the Hornets viewing that as overpaying given Westbrook's contract.

I don't think adding Westbrook would work if they draft Edwards. But if they draft Wiseman or Okongwu, then Russ might fit with that player and the mix of Graham, Bridges, PJ Washington, etc.

The other plausible destination would be Orlando for some combo of players.

Beyond those two teams, I can't see anyone taking up that cap space with Russ while having room for him in the roll that he wants. I mean, there's always the Knicks... but Leon Rose isn't considered a dumb man.

Houston's got to get more than Rozier to keep Harden happy.

Maybe, but they aren’t likely to get more back for an over 30 year old guy due over 120M over the next 3 seasons.

What they get in FA with the cap savings is the biggest win.

Chi town · Post #640 » by **Chi town** » Fri Nov 13, 2020 4:06 am

TheStig wrote:
kodo wrote:The Ringer says Mavericks are seeking to add Lavine.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/oconnors-latest-bucks-mavs-lavine-gordon-more.html

O’Connor’s latest mock draft at The Ringer includes plenty of interesting tidbits, including a couple we’ve already passed along. Here are a few more highlights:

Multiple teams, including the Mavericks, have contacted the Bulls this offseason to inquire on Zach LaVine‘s availability, says O’Connor. It’s not clear if Chicago would have any interest in moving its leading scorer.

The Mavs don't really have anything to offer. Tim Hardaway JR and a late 1st doesn't move the needle.

No they don’t. Brunson THJ and 1sts. Not enough.

Maybe a Herro and Robinson and 1st for Lavine type trade with a western Conf team.

MPJ Barton Morris and 1sts?