THE 2019-2020 TO 2020-2021 KEEP, TRADE, LET WALK SPURS THREAD

[G R E Y]

Well well well... We'll soon see if this guy's sources are worth the paper they're written on. Likely not, but 'tis the rumour season:

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[imagump1313]

Well well well... We'll soon see if this guy's sources are worth the paper they're written on. Likely not, but 'tis the rumour season:

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I love me some Tobias Harris but I don't see how we absorb that contract that goes out to 2024. It doesn't fit with anything we are doing. Im a huge Harris fan but he's not the guy you are building a team around. He's not a Batman, he's a Robin.

[Phreak50]

No thanks to Harris.

He is a Melo clone with his long pull ups, I hate it.

And please no due to that contract.

[G R E Y]

Well well well... We'll soon see if this guy's sources are worth the paper they're written on. Likely not, but 'tis the rumour season:

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I love me some Tobias Harris but I don't see how we absorb that contract that goes out to 2024. It doesn't fit with anything we are doing. Im a huge Harris fan but he's not the guy you are building a team around. He's not a Batman, he's a Robin.

Well it looks like the plan to preserve that cap space has long been in place and we've stayed committed to that goal, although how we use it may change. Pre-twat #2 debacle, I think we could have lured some quality talent. But we may now use it for another purpose:

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If we traded for Harris back then, he would have been a FA after that first year, and then more upheaval. The great benefit of DeMar was his contract was neither too short, nor too long, which along with his professionalism provided much needed stability. Now that we've settled, given the younger group more time to develop and their being more ready for bigger roles, we can either use the cap to absorb contracts (we may have to if we want that #2 pick) or play well enough to get the attention of some FAs who are about the end goal not the glamour.

If we get picks back with big contracts and can keep stocking the cupboards with quality talent, it's an ok pivot. Stay competitive, keep growing. The balance, as you said, comes with making sure none of these guys with huge contracts curtail the growth of our young guys (so accepting adjustments to their roles).

Harris is only two years older than Derrick, four more than DJ, and we do need some vets who are simply bucket getters when we get stagnant. Plus better defender and 3 scorer than DeMar. We would need an asset and a pick to come back, though - that contract gets steeper with each year, so there's a price to pay for unloading it.

He likely would not have re-signed with us had we traded for him back then - too much upheaval at the time, but with the group we have in place, I think he'd fare much better and be more content. We still don't really have a true 3 - maybe Keldon? But it's a lot for him to shoulder, and it would be good to keep learning the craft from someone farther along. When that contract expires, he'll be the same age DeMar is now. It's not bad all around. I reiterate, though - we must get some compensation for taking on that contract...

[Phreak50]

I still worry about Keldon being only 6'5. His game suggests he is 6'7 or 6'8.


I'm not sure how he will develop over the years.

[G R E Y]

I still worry about Keldon being only 6'5. His game suggests he is 6'7 or 6'8.


I'm not sure how he will develop over the years.

He's 6'6" with shoes on which does help. His thick frame affects perception like he's the same height as sinewy DJ (6'4") or toned Lonnie (6'5"), but you can see the difference when they're side by side. Still, a bit undersized but as you pointed out, Phreak, he plays bigger than his height. He's got a bigger frame and what he does with it surprises opponents. If an inch or two caused him to fall to us, I'll take it.

I looked up his fellow Wildcat Herro and he's also 6'6" in shoes but with a T-Rex 6'3.25" wingspan. Nobody brings that up though because he's carved a role for himself of torching opponents with his deadly outside shot and ability to finish at the rim.

Keldon with his 6'9.25" wingspan, big body, and all out hustle can make up for an inch or two less as well. In the bubble he kept up the hustle, but showed an improved outside shot, good body control and aggression to bowl opponents over on drives, a soft touch finishing at the rim, and a great second bounce for rebounds. Outside threat, physical presence, and light touch to go along with a relentless drive is a hell of a foundational package. He's shown the most growth in the shortest time out of all our young prospects. Bodes well for the future, but I would like a vet presence to help keep guiding him and the rest of our young group along.

[G R E Y]

No thanks to Harris.

He is a Melo clone with his long pull ups, I hate it.

And please no due to that contract.

How would you feel about Wiggins if it means the #2 pick comes back and we get a shot at, say, Wiseman?

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Absorbed contract, youth and a high pick. That's pretty good return for vet players on the final year of their contracts we're not moving forward with.

[Phreak50]

I've actually always liked Wiggins. He has been quite solid and even shown flashes of greatness.

He'd be in a perfect position with us and have lots of ways to still improve his game.

So yeah I'd swap players without picks, but getting #2 would be the icing on the cake.

I think there's a reason Tobias Harris has already played for 5 teams and think he has already reached his peak.

I also like Keldon but just don't think he is a 3.

[imagump1313]

I think we all agree that Wiggins is the most interesting and would fit our timeline. Plus has the highest potential(Harris already is what he is)
And saying we can draft Wiseman on top of that? Count me in. I think its the best option. When Wiggins was finally held accountable for his game a little bit in GS, he played pretty well. He can't do any worse than that here.
I'm not worried about Keldon right now. Its too early. Let that play out for this season.

[G R E Y]

Thanks, gents, good insights. I've come around to your way of thinking about Harris. I think what was swaying me Harris' way was that it was a better package in terms of talent than a Green/Kuzma return for DD. But even then DG/Kuzma were at least coming off the books after a year. It just seemed like a deal we would have to make because perhaps DD was opting in to go to certain teams. But it looks like he's not handcuffing us in any way, which is a solid thing for him to do. We'll see if that holds up. Fingers crossed.

Looking over the Harris / Wiggins contracts, I hadn't realized what a difference there is over the final three years of their deals: $112,899,150 vs. $94,738,170. This for similar stats. Oof. I think Harris is the better defender and there is something to be said for knowing what you have with a player, as we did with DeMar, but at Harris' cost? Even then, DeMar has had two of the most efficient seasons of his career with us, so we were able to tweak it so that his ISO tendencies worked better for the team and him.

Very good point about Harris being bounced around teams a lot. Interesting.

My main concern about AW is his actual commitment to his profession, but as gump pointed out, when in the right environment he was more consistent. Plus his age fits better with our young guys. If we can somehow unlock more out of him, or at least get him to raise his intensity floor and be defensively responsible, big bonus.

Hopefully we have some vets in place as I think these guys help keep locker rooms even keeled in challenging times, but do like the general direction of the team.

I don't watch college basketball so I don't know whether Keldon was a 2 or 3 in Kentucky, which is a more natural position for him, but feel comfortable with his developing as a 3 for us. Or a 2, and let the guys compete for it. Lots of versatility and switchability in our group. He's so valuable on and off the court.

[G R E Y]

Key dates:

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EDIT to add: Note that there is some discrepancy about some of these dates, namely DeMar's opt-in deadline, so they may change. Not sure what the issues are.

This pertains to DeMar:

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I don't understand this. How can players be included in trades if they are not opting in before the draft? I get teams can have deals in place, but it seems so convoluted. I guess a player can opt in before the draft deadline?

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And this pertains to Derrick:

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Jakob:

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And potential two-way contracts:

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Haven't found info yet on dates about converting two-way contracts (Metu, Drew and Q) and non-guaranteed contracts (Trey) to full ones.

[G R E Y]

Let's go!

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[G R E Y]

We've given QOs to Jakob, Drew, and Q. Excellent.

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So no Metu, then? Awkward but expected. Maybe we still do, but he couldn't ever really translate his Austin success onto the Spurs and didn't play his way to more court time in the bubble.

[G R E Y]

I'd still be surprised if we retained Metu, but it looks like we still have some time to make a decision. Guess it depends on how things shake out with the draft and potential trades:

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Ans I sure hope we guarantee Trey's deal, too. Feel like he's earned it. Not sure if it's affected by prospective moves we may be waiting on, but we'll know soon.

[Ballings7]

I'm fine with stocking up on multi-dimensonal, two-way, relatively athletic wings... the Vassell pick appears to be good and solid.. but this team is still going to need TWO big wing defenders at hybrid forward and/or SF. Like over 6'7" with lengthy wing span and some strength. Not just one, because when that one player gets hurt or in foul trouble, then it probably will hurt the defensive versatility for that game or period of time.

Having all that size and agility on the wing from 2013 to 2017 was key to the versatile, elite defense the team had, and really should look to get back to that ability. Its really a no brainer to rebuild on that component. Not expecting the same kind of interior defense of course, but, just focusing on the wing defense here.

[Ballings7]

Keldon while a bit undersized to be a true SF every night.. he makes up for it with his length, mass, hustle, and agility.

Thats why I still compare Keldon's game, at this point, to Andre Iguodala but not as athletic or the playmaker he was. If Keldon turns out even almost like 2009-2015 Iguodala, thats awesome.

[Ballings7]

Derrick or Murray at PG (other off the bench)

Lonnie at SG (Vassell off the bench)

Keldon at SF

TBD at PF/SF

Thats a really tough, versatile group on the wing. I'd like to see that rotation by March or so.

[Phreak50]

Where are these trades we were promised? I can't watch another year of Aldridge and Derozan, while we have so much other talent to develop.

[G R E Y]

Where are these trades we were promised? I can't watch another year of Aldridge and Derozan, while we have so much other talent to develop.

Of course no trade is better than bad trade, and it takes two sides. Also, once Devin dropped to us, we didn't really need to move anywhere to get 'our guy' - or at least one of them. But yes, overall, we need to not run it back, especially with LMA, even though without him we're thin up front. He is a rhythm player who thrives on many touches and as we've seen in the bubble, we're a different team when we can press and run and move the ball around more.

I have a feeling that even without Klay's injury GSW moved on to other offers like the one from Chicago. But then they pivoted, too.

We just have to remain patient and keep fingers crossed. I believe that rather than reverting, PATFO is intent on continuing the style of play we shifted to, but we have to get players back who fit.

[G R E Y]

Some details on our QOs:

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We have until tomorrow to guarantee Trey's deal, so that's the next order of home business.