[WOJ]Pistons trade Bruce Brown to Nets...

[vege]

Them as well. Let's add Jerebko and Delfino while we're at it.

When people were talking about the rebuild, Pistons fans said Let's keep Sekou, re-sign Wood and draft a G and build around them. No one mentioned Bruce Brown. Why? Because he's not a guy you build around. He's a defensive bench player you bring in for 20 MPG for a playoff team as a specialist (think Lindsey Hunter). We just did what Weaver said, take on salary short term ($500,000 extra for Musa), to bring in assets (2021 draft pick).

Nets now brought in that 20 mpg bench guy, cut salary, and will have wiggle room to trade some of their guards for one better player and all it cost them was one of three second rounders next season.

This trade worked out for both teams. But Pistons fans will be upset because we overvalue role players.

Idk, I haven't really seen/heard much talk about people thinking/wanting Brown to be a core type player.

I think people are miffed, that Detroit gifted away a player that played with a sense of grit and style they like. Also, there doesn't really seem to be a reason why the move was made right now. Having Brown around wasn't going to hurt anything, and the pick they got isn't even in this draft. This is the type of move that should have been done at the trade deadline.

Because Troy Weaver is trying to rebuild the team now and not at the deadline. He can use that 2021 pick in a trade now.

That 2021 Toronto 2nd has 0 value. It's the pick you trade for a guy like Jameer Nelson at the deadline.

[pistonpat]

I have to admit when I looked at this trade on the surface, I said to myself did we just get a worse GM than the last two... please no.

I tried to see what positives there may be. We all loved Bruce's DNA, his hustle, defensive effort and a developing 3 point shot. Here is what I believe Weaver might be thinking...

1. It is easier to find guys who can play defense and shoot below average in the lower rounds of this draft or for cheap in FA
2. Musa is only 21 and the feeling is there is still some development possible. Gregg Polinsky, who is in the Pistons front office, comes from the Nets when they drafted Musa. He thought Musa was a lottery pick the year they drafted him. He must of sold Weaver there is still something there in a different environment and Polinksy loves Euro players..
3. While 6-9, Musa has guard skills with his ability to handle the ball and shoot off the dribble ( albeit poor so far in the NBA). With that length it is more of what you are seeing in today's NBA. He was highly regarded when he came out and has shot decent in the G League.
4. OKC and Sam Presti were always great in acquiring added assets in trades. WOJ has even hinted to Weaver wanting to acquire more assets as Stefanski and VanGundy gave them away like candy...These can be valuable for teams that are opportunistic and know how to leverage them.
5. Brown will be due a new contract next year and might command more than the Pistons were willing to pay especially with a rebuilding team.
6. The type of ball Weaver and Casey might want to play moving forward may have resulted in less minutes for Brown and they thought now was the time to trade him..

[pistons4ever]

Really bad 1st move

Guys, what are you talking about?
Of cause we all hope to get the next jokic, green or ginobili

But 20 of 30 2nd rounders are within the first year out of the league..

So the most say bb was or is nothing special +?? Come on guys he is a rotation player who will be at his best as valuable 1st guard of the bench for a contender

I see you cry in 2 or 3years when he is a rotation player on a playoff team and Musa is out of league... I can't believe this trade...

Thought about every player possible could be traded but I thought brown and sekou would be safe

We are talking bout attitude, defense hardworking guys and you are trading the best player you have...
Sure he is not talented like sekou Luke or Blake. Derrick and wood but you traded the grittest player we have....

I am really pissed

[440BB]

Bruce Brown may benefit most from the trade. His defense on a team that will need it in a bigger market could turn into a better contract when he becomes an RFA. A chance to see the playoffs and closer to home too. He works hard and I wish him well.

[MrTwister]

FWIW Musa has also strong work ethic, it was one of his calling cards and why teams loved him when he declared to draft. He embraces work and doesnt shy away from hard work and Casey is from what i heard all about that. It wasnt best situation for him in the first place when he got drafted but i guess he might get more opportunity to play and develop in Detroit. He had only one chance to earn minutes and role because injuries piled up for BKN, but he also got injured and that window closed for him.

[bstein14]

I agree that this should be a major win for Bruce Brown. Hope to see him do well. I know he's likely been working hard on his game these past 8 months of downtime and he's going to be ready to play this season in a contract year for him. I expect him to play a very solid KCP type role for the Nets. He's going to have a career year in 3 pt FG% playing with KD and Kyrie as well.

[NYPiston]

Well, Weaver has spoken and he is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

I, for one, do not welcome our new moron overlord.

Bruce Brown was at the VERY LEAST under contract for another year, could play PG-SG-SF backup role.

I keep saying it, but if I was able to use my toilet break time I could end up as a better GM than a lot of people. So what is going on with management picking these guys?

Yeah, Weaver is trash because he traded Bruce freaking Brown. Get a grip guys.

I'm not here to say it's a good trade but, sheesh, the hyperbole in this thread by a few is crazy.

[The_Irony]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

[Snakebites]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

[Scout Taron]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

Yeah the issue is that the return was only marginally better than just cutting him. Brown was drafted at 42nd and he performed better than his draft position, and then he was essentially traded for a nothing player and a pick between 50 and 60. So we found a player worth more than his draft position and got a worse pick than what we drafted him with. Would have been a perfectly fine trade if it was a mid or early 2nd round pick I think... But, with the current haul it was a bad trade.

It's not high impact enough that you can say Troy Weaver sucks or that the franchise is doomed... But it's a bad trade. Like, take a look at the draft picks between 50-60 and find a player that has any value in the NBA... Monte Morris is the only player in a very long time to provide any value from that range. It's basically worth nothing.

[edmunder_prc]

Getting a guy that can backup PG-SG-SF, play at 100% energy, have good games where he looks like a starter and his salary is 1.7 million dollars is excellent.

Getting a guy in trade who looks awful, like 15th spot on the roster, maybe. How is that good? Plus the opportunity, next year, to pick in the 50s? How many guys in the second round play as well as Bruce Brown?

Its bad in every way a trade can be bad.

[edmunder_prc]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

Sometimes there isnt anything that would work. Cheap guys that are versatile, play hard, try to improve -- there isnt anything you can get for them because you want the same value in return. But certainly at least the pick that got Bruce Brown -- 42. And he was a success. Most guys in the 40s are not. So better than that. Maybe very very early 2nd round.

In this case the Pistons got robbed.

This is very similar to traded Reggie Bullock. Except Svi looks way better than Musa. But trading someone who actually looks decent, on a cheap contract, that plays hard for a G-league guy and a pick in the 50s is always a bad trade.

Best case scenario is the guy in the 50s plays as well as the guy you just traded.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-pistons-trade-grades-l-a-swindles-detroit-in-puzzling-reggie-bullock-for-svi-mykhailiuk-swap/

Svi Mykhailiuk
2021 second-round pick
This is a puzzling deal from the Pistons' perspective. They're just one game behind the Heat for the eighth playoff spot in the East, and have been clear in their goal to get back to the playoffs after swinging a blockbuster trade for Blake Griffin last season. While it's been a disappointing season so far, the bottom of the Eastern Conference playoff picture is in no way inspiring, and the Pistons could easily push their way into the postseason.

Bullock has been an important part of their scheme, and his shooting will be a big loss for a team that already struggles offensively, ranking just 23rd in the league with an offensive rating of 105.8. Plus, as bad as the Lakers are shooting the 3, the Pistons aren't much better. For the season, they're 28th in the league at 33.5 percent, just one-tenth of a percentage better than the Lakers, and Bullock's been by far their most consistent outside shooter.

Meanwhile, they're getting a player in Mykhailiuk who doesn't quite look ready to play heavy minutes in the league. He was taken No. 47 overall in the second round by the Lakers last summer, and earned a three-year deal from the team after an impressive performance in the Las Vegas Summer League. That hasn't translated into much playing time for Lakers this season though; he's appeared in just 38 games, and is averaging 10.7 minutes and 3.2 points.

While they get a pick to sweeten the deal, this trade definitely hurts them in the short term, and there's a good chance it never helps them in the long run.

[mattao313]

Look a svi he actually got a chance and played well Musa might do the same here he got way more potential than brown as a player. We also got a second for guy that has no offense game. This low end trade anyway

[sludgefoot]

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

Sometimes there isnt anything that would work. Cheap guys that are versatile, play hard, try to improve -- there isnt anything you can get for them because you want the same value in return. But certainly at least the pick that got Bruce Brown -- 42. And he was a success. Most guys in the 40s are not. So better than that. Maybe very very early 2nd round.

In this case the Pistons got robbed.

This is very similar to traded Reggie Bullock. Except Svi looks way better than Musa. But trading someone who actually looks decent, on a cheap contract, that plays hard for a G-league guy and a pick in the 50s is always a bad trade.

Best case scenario is the guy in the 50s plays as well as the guy you just traded.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/lakers-pistons-trade-grades-l-a-swindles-detroit-in-puzzling-reggie-bullock-for-svi-mykhailiuk-swap/

Svi Mykhailiuk
2021 second-round pick
This is a puzzling deal from the Pistons' perspective. They're just one game behind the Heat for the eighth playoff spot in the East, and have been clear in their goal to get back to the playoffs after swinging a blockbuster trade for Blake Griffin last season. While it's been a disappointing season so far, the bottom of the Eastern Conference playoff picture is in no way inspiring, and the Pistons could easily push their way into the postseason.

Bullock has been an important part of their scheme, and his shooting will be a big loss for a team that already struggles offensively, ranking just 23rd in the league with an offensive rating of 105.8. Plus, as bad as the Lakers are shooting the 3, the Pistons aren't much better. For the season, they're 28th in the league at 33.5 percent, just one-tenth of a percentage better than the Lakers, and Bullock's been by far their most consistent outside shooter.

Meanwhile, they're getting a player in Mykhailiuk who doesn't quite look ready to play heavy minutes in the league. He was taken No. 47 overall in the second round by the Lakers last summer, and earned a three-year deal from the team after an impressive performance in the Las Vegas Summer League. That hasn't translated into much playing time for Lakers this season though; he's appeared in just 38 games, and is averaging 10.7 minutes and 3.2 points.

While they get a pick to sweeten the deal, this trade definitely hurts them in the short term, and there's a good chance it never helps them in the long run.

I'll take Rose's comment "Luke doesn't know how good he is" over a guy who hustles on D like B.B.

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[SamFlow]

I'm ok with this trade. Brown wasn't going to stick around. He's not a starter. He's not a scrub. It's not a needle mover either way.We can hope for potential with Musa. Brown is near his peak. meh.

Makes me oh so interested in what other deals will come of this. Rose is a PG. We hear they want Luke to be a PG. I know we should draft a PG. And then there is Bone. Which PG will join the pistons. draft high, draft low, free agent....

[TurboTitan]

This is for sure getting a second for an upcoming trade... to move up? maybe? Only way it makes sense to me

[thesack12]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

Apparently context is difficult for people to grasp.

Detroit got a worse/more expensive player & a future crappy pick in exchange for a player that worked and played hard, whose arrow is pointing up. Just to provide further context, Toronto had the 2nd best record in the NBA last season. Their 2nd round pick is #59 (2nd to last in the draft) this year. I honestly can't see that getting much better than the low 50's next season (the pick that Detroit will be getting.)

Detroit downgraded in talent
Spent more money
Got a pick where the smart $ says won't even make a roster

But hey it looks good on paper when the headline says Pistons trade Bruce Brown for a draft pick. So anybody who doesn't like the move is a whiner and/or thinks Bruce Brown is some kind of great player.

[The_Irony]

Lol yall are silly Bruce brown is a scrub 9th man type player.

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

I would say his value does not warrant any first-round picks, we all know this. On the flipside, I cant say unless it's to pick 31-36, that he's worth trading just to get into the second round of a draft either. It makes more sense to add him as another piece on a larger trade that may involve Luke, Blake, Rose, etc.

His defense and intangibles as a teammate go beyond what a pick projected to be in the final 10 picks of the draft normally gets you. Hes literally one of the few examples Detroit has of what a bench role player on a good team can look like and I also dont think he wont command much moneywise in the offseason, so why exactly make this move? I dont think this trade had anything to do with Musa so I would really love to learn what the reasoning behind this was. If you wanted to clear up the logjam, I believe Khyri thomas could have netted a second rounder somewhere, especially 2021

[thesack12]

And traded him for a player that will be playing in Europe in 2 years.

How hard is it for people to understand the issue is what Detroit got back for him and not Bruce himself?

So the issue is the return, and not the fact that he was traded. Okay, that's fair.

What in your mind would be a "good" return for a player of his caliber?

I would say his value does not warrant any first-round picks, we all know this. On the flipside, I cant say unless it's to pick 31-36, that he's worth trading just to get into the second round of a draft either. It makes more sense to add him as another piece on a larger trade that may involve Luke, Blake, Rose, etc.

His defense and intangibles as a teammate go beyond what a pick projected to be in the final 10 picks of the draft normally gets you. Hes literally one of the few examples Detroit has of what a bench role player on a good team can look like and I also dont think he wont command much moneywise in the offseason, so why exactly make this move? I dont think this trade had anything to do with Musa so I would really love to learn what the reasoning behind this was. If you wanted to clear up the logjam, I believe Khyri thomas could have netted a second rounder somewhere, especially 2021

Bravo!

[zeebneeb]

I would say that smaller under the radar deals like this one, are a good measuring stick of potential larger deals. If that's the case, I immediately have worries as on paper value to value, the Pistons lose this trade.

Now obviously we have to wait and see if this other guy pans out, and if that 2nd that got included goes towards another deal in the making but as it stands, looking at this deal for what it is, in isolation; costs more, got the worse player, and the pick has close to zero value unless it's thrown in as a deal sweetener of sorts.