2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[douggood]

If they don’t re-sign kcp they have about 12 mil or more to give. Especially if all their bigs are not back, to Rondo is gone.

Even the schroeder trade was a wash salary wise.

they are over the cap, so KCP only affects how close they are to the hard cap.

they can only use the MLE, unless AD walks.

AD + Lebron + schroeder + deng strech + (kuzma/curaso/mcgee/fillers) they are already over cap.

They got 5 Mil from Deng exception

they applied for the exception, league hasnt given it and it probably wont, because after he was cut by the lakers he went on and signed with twolves and played.

[OAKLEY_2]

I love how Celtics want Hayward to decline his 34 m option giving him and "extension". Think it over Gordon as we paid you 34 in rehab... Hey Danny no need for the niceties I'm taking my 34 so stuff it.

[RapsAndJays21]

Off topic - on topic, with Kawhi, we're still the best team in the East. When does this pain go away haha?

[DonDoolie]

Who we going to draft? Haven't paid much attention to this year's draft... any good prospects to look for around our pick ?

[Lukeem]

Who we going to draft? Haven't paid much attention to this year's draft... any good prospects to look for around our pick ?

Handful of bigs that have a chance will be available. 1-2 interesting wings and a bunch of guards.

Bigs:

Tillman
Reed
Oturu
Perry
Steward
Nnaji


G
Winston
Richard
Flynn
Ramsay
Madar
Riller
Bolemero
Mane? Reach but has upside

Wing
Stanley
Woodward



Others too that’s off too of my head

[LoveMyRaps]

Who we going to draft? Haven't paid much attention to this year's draft... any good prospects to look for around our pick ?

Handful of bigs that have a chance will be available. 1-2 interesting wings and a bunch of guards.

Bigs:

Tillman
Reed
Oturu
Perry
Steward
Nnaji


G
Winston
Richard
Flynn
Ramsay
Madar
Riller
Bolemero
Mane? Reach but has upside

Wing
Stanley
Woodward



Others too that’s off too of my head

If Mane is a reach at 29 then Madar is a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach and a half

[Lukeem]

Who we going to draft? Haven't paid much attention to this year's draft... any good prospects to look for around our pick ?

Handful of bigs that have a chance will be available. 1-2 interesting wings and a bunch of guards.

Bigs:

Tillman
Reed
Oturu
Perry
Steward
Nnaji


G
Winston
Richard
Flynn
Ramsay
Madar
Riller
Bolemero
Mane? Reach but has upside

Wing
Stanley
Woodward



Others too that’s off too of my head

If Mane is a reach at 29 then Madar is a reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaach and a half

Madar definitely a reach too. Trying not to be bias to the Canadian. But I do like madar. But he would probably be the bottom of that list of pgs in terms of potential.

But his floor is high. Love the fight in him I’ve seen in my extensive experience watching him for years

[LoveMyRaps]

What are some star or borderline star players that could potentially be available via trade?
Off the top of my head..

Gobert
Oladipo
Turner
Beal
Walker
Lavine
KAT maybe?
Love
Draymond
Hayward
Vucevic
Wall


Feel free to add to the list.

[Psubs]

Off topic - on topic, with Kawhi, we're still the best team in the East. When does this pain go away haha?

When he comes back next summer.

[HangTime]

If Fred is involved in a S&T with Detroit, do you think we could get Christian Wood (S&T) and Derrick Rose from them?

[TheAlchemist]

What are some star or borderline star players that could potentially be available via trade?
Off the top of my head..

Gobert
Oladipo
Turner
Beal Zach Lowe Podcast, the Washington GM has said Bradley Beal is their star and they're hanging on to him
Walker Celts aren't giving him up
Lavine Chicago sees him as a centerpiece
KAT maybe? Nope, Minny invested heavily with Kat. They got his buddy boy D'angelo too
Love
Draymond
Hayward
Vucevic
Wall

Feel free to add to the list.

List is really weak. Booker doesn't look like he'll be traded too. You can Add Westbrook and Harden, but then again, only Westbrook is super attainable.

[Red_Claw]

I feel like this is this NBA offseason of "Trying to keep your star(s) happy"

[Raptors_128]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

[LoveMyRaps]

Ibaka + Powell for CJ McCollum

[Bruin]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

At the price we’d have to pay for Fred I’d rather do a sign and trade. Doubt it’s true but I’d be good with it

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

Raptors need a young big with upside. We have **** Boucher for crying out loud at this very moment. If we can turn FVV into Turner, that would be awesome. Raps can draft the plethora of PGs in this draft to replace him playing behind Lowry.

Powell moves up to SG and let’s see what he can do. It’s a huge contract year for him.

And resign Ibaka. Sign Gallo, Sign Giles.

[Gold Dragon]

One of Lavar Ball's children. A 19yo C who hasn't played competitive basketball in a year. An athletic SG who is not a shooter and is not sure he likes basketball. Yikes! These kids will be making 6-8M per year the next 3 years.

I might like the players near the end of the 1st round more than the players at the beginning.

[tecumseh18]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

Dan Hackett on raptorshq.com did a deep dive into an example S&T with Freddy.

https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/11/13/21563344/nba-free-agency-toronto-raptors-fred-vanvleet-sign-and-trade-options

It's hard because Fred's salary is going to at least double, making such a trade subject to the hard to fathom base year compensation (BYC) rule. Dan did work out a way to get both VO and Mykes from Pacers for Fred, Norm and the usual ballast. But the numbers are very tight.

My preference - Fred goes to the Mavs (out of the conference) for Delon and Dwight Powell. Their salaries combine to make $20 mill. But the math to make it work is hard, since Fred's outgoing salary for the Raps is only half his new salary (say $25 mill). So if the Raps are over the cap, they would have to add more outgoing salary to make up the difference. But I'm not sure if the Raps really are going to be over the cap (assuming we haven't used our cap space already on re-signing Serge/Marc/Boucher or a FA. Anyway, too complicated to plan this out. I'm content to see what happens. Bobby's the right guy to have here.

[Raptors_128]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

Dan Hackett on raptorshq.com did a deep dive into an example S&T with Freddy.

https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/11/13/21563344/nba-free-agency-toronto-raptors-fred-vanvleet-sign-and-trade-options

It's hard because Fred's salary is going to at least double, making such a trade subject to the hard to fathom base year compensation (BYC) rule. Dan did work out a way to get both VO and Mykes from Pacers for Fred, Norm and the usual ballast. But the numbers are very tight.

My preference - Fred goes to the Mavs (out of the conference) for Delon and Dwight Powell. Their salaries combine to make $20 mill. But the math to make it work is hard, since Fred's outgoing salary for the Raps is only half his new salary (say $25 mill). So if the Raps are over the cap, they would have to add more outgoing salary to make up the difference. But I'm not sure if the Raps really are going to be over the cap (assuming we haven't used our cap space already on re-signing Serge/Marc/Boucher or a FA. Anyway, too complicated to plan this out. I'm content to see what happens. Bobby's the right guy to have here.

Man I don’t want Delon and Powell they are both bad contracts. I think Powell just had a major injury too. I rather just let Fred walk.

This is one of the reasons we should have waited on the Siakam extension. We could have had a lot of flexibility to make deals with his low cap hold.

[sidsid]

Read on Twitter

Take this with a grain of salt but, if this is true what do we want?

The Heat, Pistons, and Knicks have cap space to sign him so we won’t get anything back unless they use their cap space for another player prior to the sign-and-trade.

Mavs: THJ + 18 + 31?
Pacers: Oladipo? or Turner?

Dan Hackett on raptorshq.com did a deep dive into an example S&T with Freddy.

https://www.raptorshq.com/2020/11/13/21563344/nba-free-agency-toronto-raptors-fred-vanvleet-sign-and-trade-options

It's hard because Fred's salary is going to at least double, making such a trade subject to the hard to fathom base year compensation (BYC) rule. Dan did work out a way to get both VO and Mykes from Pacers for Fred, Norm and the usual ballast. But the numbers are very tight.

My preference - Fred goes to the Mavs (out of the conference) for Delon and Dwight Powell. Their salaries combine to make $20 mill. But the math to make it work is hard, since Fred's outgoing salary for the Raps is only half his new salary (say $25 mill). So if the Raps are over the cap, they would have to add more outgoing salary to make up the difference. But I'm not sure if the Raps really are going to be over the cap (assuming we haven't used our cap space already on re-signing Serge/Marc/Boucher or a FA. Anyway, too complicated to plan this out. I'm content to see what happens. Bobby's the right guy to have here.

The puzzle with an Indy trade is more likely to be solved with a third team with cap space to keep the VO/FVV trade simpler.

The Turner/Sabonis issue has been around for a while so moving Turner in this trade to the third team would be my bet. That could be the Kings, the Knicks or some other team.