Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Possible DJ Augustin pg 64

[Perishable517]

Supercooool

**** it, lets give Jabari a tryout We've got spots to fill.

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We could always just bring back Beas he was a legit Jabari replacement.

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[packer396]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/nba-minimum-salaries-for-202021.html#:~:text=Because%20the%20NBA%20doesn't,%2Dyear%2C%20minimum%20salary%20contracts

If I am reading this right, 1-year vet minimums will only count $1.6M against the hard cap. With 6 spots to fill and roughly $13M (assuming we don't buy a 2nd rounder), that leaves us $3.4M for buyouts/giving one FA a $6.5M/year deal. I don't see how we can offer anything more than that

[Ron Swanson]

Any news on the Jon Leuer dead cap relief front?

[MikeIsGood]

Dekker does nothing that well and also isn't a great athlete by NBA standards. He just has nothing to offer, really.

Sam was a great get by UW. He will always be a Badger favorite of mine. But man, talk about a talented athlete whose development flatlined. Never showed great improvement as a shooter, ballhandler, or defender. Never had a pro position, either. A small forward who doesn’t defend or shoot?

I got killed for this at the time, but I also thought he was overrated/overvalued at UW, too. 100% wanted him on the team and he was a great contributor to an incredible team, but people thought he was a messiah after his state championship shot and because he was a 5-star. But, I digress

[Diggr14]

Im not sure of the quality of the Turkish super league, but he played pretty decent in the league so far. He shot 56.3% from 3 on a small sample size from 3 (on a shorter 3 ball line).. but that translates into a decent corner 3 shooter I would think.

If he wants to play for min and waive a towel, there are much worse options to consider. Im not saying he's the right fit, im saying looking at his stats and his pedigree.. i'd consider him. Just because he isnt prototypical athletic doesn't mean crap to me as a bench guy. If he can play his role (hit the open 3 - be respectable going to the basket) and not be a total sieve defensively.... that's bench material.

I'd rather have a guy that looks like prince fielder out there, but plays with IQ and efficiency.. than a guy that looks like Kwame Brown and never amounts to anything.

[DingleJerry]

HIs forgetting how to shoot was the killer. He regressed on this from his freshman year on and it kept going to the NBA. It's like he should just go back to his dad being his shooting coach rather than what everyone has done to him since. If he could hit mid to upper 30s from 3 he could've hung around, play some small ball 4 off the bench. His off ball movement and all that was good and he has enough athleticism to hang, but you just can't shoot 30% or lower from 3. Remember he did have one year for the rockets as a solid bench contributor. I think he's hitting 3s at a good % in the few games they've played so far this year but no way anyone can put much stock into that. If you could pay him the minimum for 2nd rd picks or UFA he wouldn't be the worst 13th guy off the bench(chances are he's better than a lot of other bad players in the NBA now, but he doesn't have upside whereas some of them still do), but I'd assume he would count as the veterans minimum so that's not really feasible. I don't know how 2 ways or G league would work for a guy like him but in spite of what he says I doubt he's taking 40K to play for Oshkosh on the hopes of some end of bench games for the Bucks.

[RogerMurdock]

thannis is a better prospect

2020 has been a difficult year for all of us. If you need someone to talk to, many of us here are more than happy to help.

[Diggr14]

HIs forgetting how to shoot was the killer. He regressed on this from his freshman year on and it kept going to the NBA. It's like he should just go back to his dad being his shooting coach rather than what everyone has done to him since. If he could hit mid to upper 30s from 3 he could've hung around, play some small ball 4 off the bench. His off ball movement and all that was good and he has enough athleticism to hang, but you just can't shoot 30% or lower from 3. Remember he did have one year for the rockets as a solid bench contributor. I think he's hitting 3s at a good % in the few games they've played so far this year but no way anyone can put much stock into that. If you could pay him the minimum for 2nd rd picks or UFA he wouldn't be the worst 13th guy off the bench(chances are he's better than a lot of other bad players in the NBA now, but he doesn't have upside whereas some of them still do), but I'd assume he would count as the veterans minimum so that's not really feasible. I don't know how 2 ways or G league would work for a guy like him but in spite of what he says I doubt he's taking 40K to play for Oshkosh on the hopes of some end of bench games for the Bucks.

I'd give him another look now that he is in his later 20s. I'd like to see a larger sample size in the turkish super league.. but he's hitting shots there. That's a decent sign.

[Gianstoppable]

I am curious what our next moves are.
We have a very solid starting 5, got rid dead weight (DJ) and Bledsoe.

At the moment our bench looks like:



We are left with an estimated 9-11M without going to luxury tax, or am I wrong ?

How possible is that our owners will go into luxury tax, at least for this year ? Is the extra tax amount really significant for wealthy owners or is it an amount that would easily be covered with a good season ?
I guess the Covid crisis makes it even more difficult, having the uncertainty of empty arenas for a short or longer period of time.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/09/14/report-bucks-tell-giannis-antetokounmpo-theyre-willing-to-pay-luxury-tax/

Now, whether or not they do it. At this point they would be dumb not to

[Ron Swanson]

Sam Dekker should just enjoy life as a professional basketball player overseas and marrying into basketball royalty. Not everyone is cut out for the NBA.

[Diggr14]

Dekker does nothing that well and also isn't a great athlete by NBA standards. He just has nothing to offer, really.

Sam was a great get by UW. He will always be a Badger favorite of mine. But man, talk about a talented athlete whose development flatlined. Never showed great improvement as a shooter, ballhandler, or defender. Never had a pro position, either. A small forward who doesn’t defend or shoot?

I got killed for this at the time, but I also thought he was overrated/overvalued at UW, too. 100% wanted him on the team and he was a great contributor to an incredible team, but people thought he was a messiah after his state championship shot and because he was a 5-star. But, I digress

For a 5 star, he did what he was supposed to do. He wasn't the star of the team, but it's fair to say he was the 2nd guy on a very accomplished team. That's nothing to shake ones head at.

Not every 5 star coming in is going to be an NBA guy. Dekker was. Probably still can be. On a side note: Brian Butch says hello.

[Diggr14]

Sam Dekker should just enjoy life as a professional basketball player overseas and marrying into basketball royalty. Not everyone is cut out for the NBA.

There are so many bums at the ends of NBA benches. There is no reason why he shouldnt be given another shot. But you're right, sometimes EURO leagues are better suited for certain guys. Nothing wrong with that either.

[MikeIsGood]

Sam was a great get by UW. He will always be a Badger favorite of mine. But man, talk about a talented athlete whose development flatlined. Never showed great improvement as a shooter, ballhandler, or defender. Never had a pro position, either. A small forward who doesn’t defend or shoot?

I got killed for this at the time, but I also thought he was overrated/overvalued at UW, too. 100% wanted him on the team and he was a great contributor to an incredible team, but people thought he was a messiah after his state championship shot and because he was a 5-star. But, I digress

For a 5 star, he did what he was supposed to do. He wasn't the star of the team, but it's fair to say he was the 2nd guy on a very accomplished team. That's nothing to shake ones head at.

Not every 5 star coming in is going to be an NBA guy. Dekker was. Probably still can be. On a side note: Brian Butch says hello.

You missed my point I think, and why I added the part about him being a 5-star has nothing to do with the role he played for us. I don't disagree with anything you said, it just wasn't my point. But as I said, I digress and do not want to turn this topic into a discussion on a Badger player from 6 years ago.

[DingleJerry]

Sam Dekker should just enjoy life as a professional basketball player overseas and marrying into basketball royalty. Not everyone is cut out for the NBA.

There are so many bums at the ends of NBA benches. There is no reason why he shouldnt be given another shot. But you're right, sometimes EURO leagues are better suited for certain guys. Nothing wrong with that either.

Right. He's definitely better than a lot of guys just based on bball IQ. I'd guess most are younger and/or more athletic so they still have upside. That said, sometimes you see a guy and think how does this guy get 8 chances in the NBA when he clearly isn't good. I remember my friend who lives in DC now going to some games this year (great seats available for cheap) texting me along the lines of "how the heck is Dekker not in the NBA but these guys are"

For his time at UW. Yea not quite to the hopes mostly because after his frosh year his shooting regressed, so he could never be the guy. Plus of course Frank took that spot anyway. At least he had the fluky hot streak from 3 the last tournament to get them to the Championship.

[SirChurros]

Pass on Dekker. Just not very good and I'm inclined to believe J.R. Smith's recent Twitter commentary about Dekker questioning why he couldn't use a particular slur, so I want no part of that on the team.

[Licensed to Il]

JR Smith is a treasure, but probably doesn’t deserve the moral high ground in any situation.

[Beorn]

There have been bad reports for his attitude & character from this side of the ocean, in general. He 's not Glen Rice Jr, but he had issues in Russia last season

[raferfenix]

Bucks won't have picks from 2024-2027.

But maybe we could have cap space?

Middleton is an unrestricted free agent in 2024 (he has a $40 million player option in 2023). Totally possible he signs an extension before then.

Jrue Holiday has a player option in 2021 ($26 million) and would be an unrestricted free agent 2022. He could do an extension as long as 4 years starting in February, but it doesn't necessarily have to be that long, especially if he's hoping for another big deal after this one.

If the plan is for Middleton and Holiday to be here for the long term, we could line up their contracts to expire at the same time, which could open up some amount of cap space.

We then resign Khris and Jrue with bird rights, perhaps with a little extra for them trusting the franchise to help us retool as we stare into the draft abyss.

We'll have picks; they just won't be good picks. There's pick swaps in there so theoretically we'll either end up keeping our pick in the 20s or losing our early picks and instead getting a pick in the 20s.

Whoops, meant that we won't control our first round picks, so no use tanking.

If the Pelicans stink the pick swaps might not be terrible.

But the broader point was that it appears we can't do what the Warriors just did by getting the #2 pick in the wake of injuries / age / Durant leaving leading to a lost season. Spurs also did this during the year David Robinson got hurt when they got Duncan.

In that case the Bucks' best avenue to restock the cupboards with talent might be free agency -- if we're savvy about it and plan long term, like the Heat do.

[Chad34]

thannis is a better prospect

2020 has been a difficult year for all of us. If you need someone to talk to, many of us here are more than happy to help.

thanks

[SirChurros]

JR Smith is a treasure, but probably doesn’t deserve the moral high ground in any situation.

Pretty simplistic response.

I get that JR has his own issues, but his own issues shouldn't excuse what someone else did. There's no reason for JR Smith to lie about something lowly, old Sam Dekker said.