Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[eagereyez]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Lols exactly.

All roads lead back to Harden. If Morey can pull off a Harden trade without giving up Simmons/Embiid, then he deserves a statue. That said, I fully expect that plan to fall apart and Morey to "reluctantly" admit defeat and put Simmons on the table, allowing Houston to think they won.

[Stanford]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

[HardenToSixers]

I think Morey knows exactly what he is doing. He knows the whole office, the owner,scouts,etc. Houston is trying to get Philly to panic and bid against themselves.

it's pretty binary. there's no "bidding against ourselves". if we're not putting Simmons on the table, then we can't compete with offers from any other team.

the only gray area is some kind of three team trade where we get value back in addition to Harden for dealing Simmons.

[76ciology]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Lols exactly.

All roads lead back to Harden. If Morey can pull off a Harden trade without giving up Simmons/Embiid, then he deserves a statue. That said, I fully expect that plan to fall apart and Morey to "reluctantly" admit defeat and put Simmons on the table, allowing Houston to think they won.

If you look at the line of thought. He can either compete with a sure big upgrade roster with biid and ben (biid, ben and lavine?) or just eventually trade ben with biid and a big upgrade roster.

Honestly I’d rather lose the battle and win the war. I dont care if ESPN grades me with a F-. If we get harden and biid, i know it’s gravy.

[sixerswillrule]

Beal (w/o giving up Ben or Jo) would be amazing.

And impossible. Please show your work. What specifically do you think Washington is taking for Beal that’s not Ben or Joel that won’t easily be beat by Boston, denver, Atlanta, the nets.

Same with Harden. How is this plausible?

[davesilver]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

If we still had Jimmy...

[Negrodamus]

I'm lowkey going to be excited when it's Monte Morris, Gary Harris, and Will Barton for Tobias, Zhaire, and a future protected first.

[HardenToSixers]

It's insane how hard elton brand **** us.

Move on.

Sure EB can do better, do does the other two GMs before him.

Hinkie was a good GM despite these weird takes you have on it. He maximized value and would have put us in a position to make a deal here without giving up Ben. Not really sure how it would be possible to argue otherwise.

EB was absolute trash who screwed over this franchise just like Colangelo. Anybody still standing up for the Al Horford signing should be laughed off this board (case in point LloydFree), and don't even get me started on Tobias.

I commend the job he did forming the team that almost took out the Raptors but it ends there. Tobias could've been replaced by a number of guys to create the impact he did that season with less assets than what we spent on him. And Jimmy's main value was just finally being a talented enough guy to take the ball out of Simmons' hands in crunch time which we should have solved four years ago (thanks Colangelos).

[76ciology]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

IMO there are two ways to build a championship roster.

- (inequality) 2 to 3 mvp caliber guys and role players (almost all champions); the built morey loves
- (collective) 3 to 5 stars and role players or maybe one big star and a handful of weak stars (think pistons and the last 2 spurs squad that made it to the finals); Bucks is going for this built now

I think the mistake was going for the “collective” built (2018-2019) then double downing it last offseason (2019-2020).

But then.. i dont project biid, ben and even Tatum (if we ever drafted him) to be good enough to be MVP caliber guys. Just think about it.. can you win a championship with Biid, Ben and a bunch of 3&D players? Biid and Ben has to be at AD and Bron’s level to make it happen.

I feel like the right move was to explore trading Biid and Ben and do the route the Lakers (traded all their young prospects for AD) or the Celts (the year they traded picks to get KG and Ray) did.

Like if we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded Biid for Paul George, then you kind of have a championship favorite last year.

[Sportfan73]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

IMO there are two ways to build a championship roster.

- 2 to 3 (inequality) mvp caliber guys and role players (almost all champions); the built morey loves
- 3-5 (collective) maybe stars and role players or maybe one big star and a handful of weak stars (think pistons and the last 2 spurs squad that made it to the finals); Bucks is going for this built now

I think the mistake was going for the 3-5 stars and role players built (2018-2019) then double downing it last offseason (2019-2020).

But then.. i dont project biid, ben and even Tatum (if we ever drafted him) to be good enough to be MVP caliber guys.

I feel like the right move was to explore trading Biid and Ben and do the route the Lakers (traded all their young prospects for AD) or the Celts (the year they traded picks to get KG and Ray) did.

Like if we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded Biid for Paul George, then you kind of have a championship favorite last year.

Good god I wouldn’t trade Ben or biid for Paul George. And we need to give up the thinking that we are going to make some crazy trade for a piece and then then around and trade that piece plus 10 other pieces for Harden. Not before the season starts

[Da Doctor]

It's weird having this feeling of confidence in the GM....

[Olga37]

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[76ciology]

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

IMO there are two ways to build a championship roster.

- 2 to 3 (inequality) mvp caliber guys and role players (almost all champions); the built morey loves
- 3-5 (collective) maybe stars and role players or maybe one big star and a handful of weak stars (think pistons and the last 2 spurs squad that made it to the finals); Bucks is going for this built now

I think the mistake was going for the 3-5 stars and role players built (2018-2019) then double downing it last offseason (2019-2020).

But then.. i dont project biid, ben and even Tatum (if we ever drafted him) to be good enough to be MVP caliber guys.

I feel like the right move was to explore trading Biid and Ben and do the route the Lakers (traded all their young prospects for AD) or the Celts (the year they traded picks to get KG and Ray) did.

Like if we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded Biid for Paul George, then you kind of have a championship favorite last year.

Good god I wouldn’t trade Ben or biid for Paul George. And we need to give up the thinking that we are going to make some crazy trade for a piece and then then around and trade that piece plus 10 other pieces for Harden. Not before the season starts

Ok then say Biid for Harden.

Then you have Kawhi and Harden on your team.

[Skates]

Harden plus Embiid does not win you a championship, neither does Embiid plus Simmons alone. You work to make it happen with all three, or if you decide to trade Simmons and he is the only young star the Rox are offered, you have to make the deal favorable to adding more to your new duo in the future. It really isn't a binary choice.

Keep Simmons and Embiid and add Harden, fill in around them.

Trade for Harden using Simmons, but must be a trade that allows you to add more going forward.

Say no thanks to any other trade for Simmons that just leaves you Harden and Embiid and wiped of assets and cap space.

[davesilver]

Morey is working on other trades to obtain players that Houston may want in lieu of Simmons. It’s a long shot but he is working many avenues here.

Our GMs should have been doing this for 5 years. ughh

IMO there are two ways to build a championship roster.

- 2 to 3 (inequality) mvp caliber guys and role players (almost all champions); the built morey loves
- 3-5 (collective) maybe stars and role players or maybe one big star and a handful of weak stars (think pistons and the last 2 spurs squad that made it to the finals); Bucks is going for this built now

I think the mistake was going for the “collective” built (2018-2019) then double downing it last offseason (2019-2020).

But then.. i dont project biid, ben and even Tatum (if we ever drafted him) to be good enough to be MVP caliber guys. Just think about it.. can you win a championship with Biid, Ben and a bunch of 3&D players? Biid and Ben has to be at AD and Bron’s level to make it happen.

I feel like the right move was to explore trading Biid and Ben and do the route the Lakers (traded all their young prospects for AD) or the Celts (the year they traded picks to get KG and Ray) did.

Like if we traded Ben for Kawhi then traded Biid for Paul George, then you kind of have a championship favorite last year.

I think route 1 is possible with Embiid right now, or with Ben in 3 years.

I do not like rolling the dice on Embiid being the same level in 3 years, which is why a Ben for Harden swap makes sense to me.

[76ciology]

Harden plus Embiid does not win you a championship, neither does Embiid plus Simmons alone. You work to make it happen with all three, or if you decide to trade Simmons and he is the only young star the Rox are offered, you have to make the deal favorable to adding more to your new duo in the future. It really isn't a binary choice.

Keep Simmons and Embiid and add Harden, fill in around them.

Trade for Harden using Simmons, but must be a trade that allows you to add more going forward.

Say no thanks to any other trade for Simmons that just leaves you Harden and Embiid and wiped of assets and cap space.

Morey was pretty confident with Harden and westbrook. Biid is better than westbrook.

All that while we have better starter depth than the rockets.

Im not going to complain if you can have Biid, Ben and Beard.

But I think Biid, Harden, a 20ppg player and a borderline star big is a great building block for a championship team.

[elchengue20]

Nick Wright sayed today that Harden is more likely to end here than in Brooklyn.

Hes close to Morey so he may know something. Also he sayed Houston is in no rush to trade him because he has 2 years left in his contract.

When you think about it, Morey absolutely loves Harden. He can offer Ben and beat any package offered by other teams. I think we are by far the most likely destination for him.

[stormi]

Harden plus Embiid does not win you a championship, neither does Embiid plus Simmons alone. You work to make it happen with all three, or if you decide to trade Simmons and he is the only young star the Rox are offered, you have to make the deal favorable to adding more to your new duo in the future. It really isn't a binary choice.

Keep Simmons and Embiid and add Harden, fill in around them.

Trade for Harden using Simmons, but must be a trade that allows you to add more going forward.

Say no thanks to any other trade for Simmons that just leaves you Harden and Embiid and wiped of assets and cap space.

Morey was pretty confident with Harden and westbrook.

?

He absolutely wanted no part of Westbrook

[76ciology]

Harden plus Embiid does not win you a championship, neither does Embiid plus Simmons alone. You work to make it happen with all three, or if you decide to trade Simmons and he is the only young star the Rox are offered, you have to make the deal favorable to adding more to your new duo in the future. It really isn't a binary choice.

Keep Simmons and Embiid and add Harden, fill in around them.

Trade for Harden using Simmons, but must be a trade that allows you to add more going forward.

Say no thanks to any other trade for Simmons that just leaves you Harden and Embiid and wiped of assets and cap space.

Morey was pretty confident with Harden and westbrook.

?

He absolutely wanted no part of Westbrook

https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/18/daryl-morey-says-westbrook-trade-boosted-title-odds-by-30-percent/

The offseason trade of Chris Paul (and draft considerations) for guard Russell Westbrook boosted the Houston Rockets’ odds of winning the NBA championship by about 30 percent, according to GM Daryl Morey, who cited internal calculations.

“Now is our best chance,” Morey told Bleacher Report’s Howard Beck about his team’s chance to win the NBA championship

[6ers83]

Nick Wright sayed today that Harden is more likely to end here than in Brooklyn.

Hes close to Morey so he may know something. Also he sayed Houston is in no rush to trade him because he has 2 years left in his contract.

When you think about it, Morey absolutely loves Harden. He can offer Ben and beat any package offered by other teams. I think we are by far the most likely destination for him.

Can’t give up Ben

If that’s what it takes than HELL NO