Raptors favorites to re-sign FVV, expected to receive a Brogdon contract

[TheBoi10]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

[alpngso]

No covid discount?

[Pooh_Jeter]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

Exactly my take on him. He's no where as good as the hype. The Raptors have built a team that makes the collective look really good, but individually, they're not as good as they look in this system.

100%

The system Nurse has instilled has elevated a lot of guys. We saw the shortcoming in the playoffs. If people think having like 90M tied up in a Siakam, FVV and OG core is enticing to a superstar they are crazy. You pay for star players, not guys you can develop yourself.

[pr0gr4m]

FVV isn't a good basketball player and could not start on a championship contender led by coalition unless it consists of more than a lone superstar.

OPTIONS
- I would offer 15M over 3 years for FVV. Then he can be traded to another franchise when the restriction is lifted.

- I would sign and trade him for Holiday or top 5 pick if a target prospect drops

Exactly my take on him. He's no where as good as the hype. The Raptors have built a team that makes the collective look really good, but individually, they're not as good as they look in this system.

Historically Lowry's backcourt partner usually performs better with him on the floor. Hindsight is 20/20 but seeing how he boosted the values of DeRoza, Corey Joseph, Vasquez, Fred, and probably more. There is substantial evidence that over a long period of time I would worry how Fred handles pressure compared to Lowry.

The most notable difference may lead to a problem that may be the following:

Lowry always deffered to DeRozan even though he was the clear cut best player. In an interview I think Nicoles' asked "Who's better?"

In contrast Fred thinks he is much better than he is. I see a power struggle between him and Siakam down the road. That lack of hierachy in our offense is going to turn Fred into a chucker if we become a lower or fringe playoff seed.

The likelihood of that happening next season is low. Lowry still have 2 good years left and potentially even more as a Gasol-like omnescient impact. It is absolutely essential that Masai and NN recognize that pattern and sell high on Fred after he is brought back.

I would predict that next season a package of FVV, Powell, Flynn, and a future first could bring back a great shot creating asset. If the Suns or Wizards don't perform as well as their high expectations are hoping for it could be to the Raptors benefit.

Prediction: Lowry is going to make Flynn look like a steal making FVV expendable. I forecast trouble in Milwaukee, Phoenix, and/or Washington DC. I'm happy we rarely do draft deals, there's a huge margin of error to be made on hasty decisions.

[mickie]

I just hope we dont mess up our chances to land a star next year because the we didn't want to let Freddy walk.. but i think we're gonna overpay.. i hope not.

[SharoneWright]

I think Jif took some of Smucker's bread.

[StopitLeo]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

How so?

It’s not a contract that you wouldn’t be able to trade based on his current level of performance. A PG who shoots ~40% from deep would be a welcome asset to any playoff team.

[Madvillainy2004]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

How so?

It’s not a contract that you wouldn’t be able to trade based on his current level of performance. A PG who shoots ~40% from deep would be a welcome asset to any playoff team.

Plus defender that can shoot +40% on 3s will always have a spot in the league. At worst its neutral thats very tradeable. We just saw Horford traded this year. No contract is unmoveable.

[Ackshun]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

How so?

It’s not a contract that you wouldn’t be able to trade based on his current level of performance. A PG who shoots ~40% from deep would be a welcome asset to any playoff team.

Plus defender that can shoot +40% on 3s will always have a spot in the league. At worst its neutral thats very tradeable. We just saw Horford traded this year. No contract is unmoveable.

I'm curious: if FVV was in the middle of said contract, in the $21 million range, whom would we consider tradong him for today? Realistically, where both sides need to dance? Tery Rozier? Harrison Barnes? Maybe a few smaller contracts?

[sidsid]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

How so?

It’s not a contract that you wouldn’t be able to trade based on his current level of performance. A PG who shoots ~40% from deep would be a welcome asset to any playoff team.

The issue is what you could trade it for. A contract in the 25 mil range is an anchor that likely gets you junk in return and having to attach picks to it. At that range it either takes multiple big contracts to match, which is hard to do, or matching with better players or even worse contracts (like Wiggins). That's very different than getting him at a more reasonable 18 million where the range of trade options is much better.

When you're still working on acquiring Giannis next year, saddling yourself with big role player contracts is very counterproductive. We're not Detroit just spinning our wheels. We have a shot.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

FVV on a $85 mill/4 year deal is a negative asset

How so?

It’s not a contract that you wouldn’t be able to trade based on his current level of performance. A PG who shoots ~40% from deep would be a welcome asset to any playoff team.

Plus defender that can shoot +40% on 3s will always have a spot in the league. At worst its neutral thats very tradeable. We just saw Horford traded this year. No contract is unmoveable.

It was a mistake contract that Brand felt it would put them over the top. He had to give up a future asset to get rid of him. Yes no contract is totally unmoveable but that doesn’t mean you make idiot signings/overpayments

[JN]

It's poor asset management for sure to let a good player walk in FA. They either should be all in on resigning him if they can get him at a fair price, or they should have moved him at the trade deadline for pieces for the future.

Clippers had Tobias Harris play great for them, offered him an extension at around $20 million per year, had Tobias decline wanting more money in FA so they traded him to Philly for 2 first round draft picks so they didn't lose an asset for nothing.

I wouldn't use the Clippers as an example of asset management. They traded away potentially 8 first round picks for Paul George, because they were unable to effectively negotiate with Uncle Dennis and the Man-Child.

[Raptors_128]

Fred has every right to conduct his free agency how he wants but, it’s hilarious to me that Fred is “taking meeting”.

He has no leverage. Either you go play with an awful Knicks team, re-sign with the Raptors for a fair contract, or allow the Raptors to sign-and-trade you.

I’ll be pissed if we overpay him even by a bit. We have all the leverage, we need to use it.

[Tor_Raps]

Hopefully he meets with Indiana so we get Oladipo back in a sign and trade lol. Rather have Oladipo on a flyer deal than what we will have to pay Fred based on this market. I'm guessing his contract will be 5 years/110 million (puke).

[blastttOFF]

4 years /70 is more like it.

[mrdressup]

Dragging your feet ultimately hurts the team because it lacks the certainty to commit elsewhere. Fred dragging it out helps Fred to get the most money from where he's happy staying. It's going to cost us, and he knows Masai is not about letting assets walk out the door. Prepare to be disappointed that we are keeping Fred for more than you are comfortable with. It's just a business.

[RaptorsNorth]

Fred and Ibaka are starting to piss me off. Those guys know if they’re going or staying already. All they’re doing is f...... up our chances of signing anybody if they leave after all assets are gone.

[Ramed Nazored]

Fred and Ibaka are starting to piss me off. Those guys know if they’re going or staying already. All they’re doing is f...... up our chances of signing anybody if they leave after all assets are gone.

They're not messing up our chances of singing anyone. We haven't signed anyone because our management team - one of the best in the league over the last six years - feels strongly about their chances of re-signing those players.

Those guys have been nothing but transparent and loyal to this franchise and fanbase since they landed here. They're not playing hard-to-get to hurt the Toronto Raptors.

[prelude00]

Fred and Ibaka are starting to piss me off. Those guys know if they’re going or staying already. All they’re doing is f...... up our chances of signing anybody if they leave after all assets are gone.

They're not messing up our chances of singing anyone. We haven't signed anyone because our management team - one of the best in the league over the last six years - feels strongly about their chances of re-signing those players.

Those guys have been nothing but transparent and loyal to this franchise and fanbase since they landed here. They're not playing hard-to-get to hurt the Toronto Raptors.

Yeah - I think the fact that we haven't heard any rumors regarding those two since FA period started is a good sign. Either the raps are going to announce the signings tomorrow or they're working on sign and trades.

Raps front office has always kept everything in house. Leaks are VERY rare from this franchise. If there were any inkling of FVV and Serge going elsewhere, surely another team would have managed to leak the info by now. I think FVV is coming back and Serge is more likely to be involved in a S&T.

Just my two cents. I could be totally off too lol

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[prelude00]

Dragging your feet ultimately hurts the team because it lacks the certainty to commit elsewhere. Fred dragging it out helps Fred to get the most money from where he's happy staying. It's going to cost us, and he knows Masai is not about letting assets walk out the door. Prepare to be disappointed that we are keeping Fred for more than you are comfortable with. It's just a business.

We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Fred might have already verbally agreed to re-sign with the raps. You have to remember, news from the Raptors never comes out until it's official official.

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