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Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#201 » by yeleven11 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:51 pm

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ConstableGeneva wrote:For salary-matching purposes, yes. But to avoid the tax, no. If avoiding the tax is even a thing. Maybe they just don't care about the tax this season (and the repeater tax penalties that will likely come with it in 2022).


I get that but where have we seen publicly it’s a must to avoid the tax this year? I know it gets harder to avoid moving forward so this would be the year to avoid it but still we are just assuming that

See bolded. I don't know either.


Think avoiding the tax has to be in their minds for two reasons:

1. You need to get under the 132M tax line to be able to use the Full MLE (9.5M) on another free agent so the team can be better

2. Tatum's extension kicks in next year which means we're a lock to be a tax team next year and the year after that. The tax is more costly if you're in it consecutive years. Starting the tax clock a year later is always a good thing.

But at the end of the day, no one knows how big of a factor the tax is. For example, if getting Bogdanovic + Turner results in us being in the tax, would they still avoid that? Nobody knows
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#203 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:52 pm

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Same and he sucked all of the last year except for 1.5 playoff rounds that this team isn't getting to anyways.

Rondo **** sucks and signing him is a mistake for any team that doesn't have LeBron to keep that little bitch in line.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#204 » by djFan71 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:55 pm

Hayward is a better player than Turner or Dipo. Maybe except one season of Dipo.
We are not beggers. IND wants him, he wants to go there.
IND needs to send out more money than they take in.
Getting Turner and McDermott is a low return. Need at least a 2nd thrown in to make it even mildly acceptable. Better if Indy routes him elsewhere and we get Turner and pick.
I'm not sure I even want Dipo, but that's the fair price. I'd ideally route him to NYK, ATL, DET and take a lotto-protected first & Turner back.

Hayward/Timelord/Edwards to IND, Dipo to NYK, Lotto-protected DAL '21, Turner to Cs.

Worst case, you could sign Tristan Thompson for the MLE and not have to take McDermott and be way under the tax if Hayward walks somehow. Which he won't.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#205 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:56 pm

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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#206 » by soxfan2003 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:57 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Indy has no leverage. Hayward has no leverage. Boston has no leverage.

This is 3 people, operating in good faith, where there really isnt a deal. Someone is going to have to make a bad deal to get this done.

There is no deal here IMO unless you can convince Boston that turner is a positive asset that will improve the Team materially.

Or

Have Indiana give up a budding high end scorer

Or

Hayward takes a massive pay cut to sign with Indy.


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Hayward has probably already agreed to contract terms with Indiana pending an Indiana-Celtics deal.

Maybe if Hayward took a little less money on that deal it facilitates it.

Besides coming home, Hayward may be able to justify it with lower taxes and lower cost of living in Indiana.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#207 » by darrendaye » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:57 pm

djFan71 wrote:
Hayward/Timelord/Edwards to IND, Dipo to NYK, Lotto-protected DAL '21, Turner to Cs.



You're killing me here.....
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#208 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:58 pm

darrendaye wrote:
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Hayward/Timelord/Edwards to IND, Dipo to NYK, Lotto-protected DAL '21, Turner to Cs.



You're killing me here.....

By Timelord, he really meant Javonte+Semi.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#209 » by Patsfan1081 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:59 pm

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(We already have a commitment from Anthony Davis to sign for the minimum.)


Yeah it’s start to get frustrating watching everyone else making moves. This team is going to end up having one player not on a rookie deal coming off the bench, not ideal for a team looking to contend.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#210 » by djFan71 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:00 pm

darrendaye wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Hayward/Timelord/Edwards to IND, Dipo to NYK, Lotto-protected DAL '21, Turner to Cs.



You're killing me here.....

Really? I'm ok letting other teams drool at the potential of him staying healthy and being in the right spot somehow.

That said, if we keep him, he's the next Russell. :)
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#212 » by Patsfan1081 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:01 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:As of right now we have 13 players under contract:

Kemba / Pritchard / Edwards
Smart / Nesmith / Langford
Brown / Semi / Green
Tatum / Grant
Theis / R Williams

Total salary of $106,181,506. That is $26,445,494 below the luxury tax line. It's $32,746,494 below the apron which would be the hard cap to use the full MLE vs tax payers.

Turner makes $18M. If we take back McDermott we're still below the tax. Or we could dump him omg a 3rd team and be able to use the basically the whole MLE while avoiding the tax. Or we could go over the tax slightly to use all of it, but that doesn't seem smart. Or we could replace Semi with a rookie (not vet) minimum and use the whole thing while below the tax. We could waive Jevonte Green and split the MLE between two players.

Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner/Theis are 6 proven rotation guys. Playoff rotations are 8-9 guys. I'm sorry but between the MLE split up however we want and all the 1st round picks on the roster it should not be an issue finding a 7th, 8th and 9th man.


Robert Williams is the most veteran player coming off the bench. :o
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#214 » by SuperDeluxe » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:03 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:As of right now we have 13 players under contract:

Kemba / Pritchard / Edwards
Smart / Nesmith / Langford
Brown / Semi / Green
Tatum / Grant
Theis / R Williams

Total salary of $106,181,506. That is $26,445,494 below the luxury tax line. It's $32,746,494 below the apron which would be the hard cap to use the full MLE vs tax payers.

Turner makes $18M. If we take back McDermott we're still below the tax. Or we could dump him omg a 3rd team and be able to use the basically the whole MLE while avoiding the tax. Or we could go over the tax slightly to use all of it, but that doesn't seem smart. Or we could replace Semi with a rookie (not vet) minimum and use the whole thing while below the tax. We could waive Jevonte Green and split the MLE between two players.

Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Turner/Theis are 6 proven rotation guys. Playoff rotations are 8-9 guys. I'm sorry but between the MLE split up however we want and all the 1st round picks on the roster it should not be an issue finding a 7th, 8th and 9th man.


Robert Williams is the most veteran player coming off the bench. :o

That honour would belong to Semi, but you do make a great point :D
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#215 » by TheMartian » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:03 pm

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Just posting this here while i'm still on the list. I'm sure I'll be off the list by the time I wake up. :P

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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#216 » by CSL_1904 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:04 pm

We've become such a boring team. Nothing ever seems to happen here.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

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Post#218 » by rob4748 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:05 pm

This is such a waste of time. Boringggggg..
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#219 » by BigTrade92 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:07 pm

I'm getting the feeling that the Indiana trade is the only significant move we're going to make.

Maybe a veteran depth signing, but the free agent well is beginning to dry up the longer this goes on.
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Re: Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go 

Post#220 » by MagicBagley18 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:07 pm

That smart harden Tatum tucker turner lineup to close games is gonna be a lot of fun to watch here

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