OG extension now or RFA match 2021

[DelAbbot]

I'm trying to understand why people are suggesting NOT extending OG right now, in order to keep his cap hold low for 2021 Giannis sweepstakes.

When 2021 FA starts, and some team offers OG a big offer sheet on day 1, forcing us to match - wouldn't that eat into our 2021 cap space? Giannis probably takes his time in 2021 FA and will not sign before we have to match OG's offer sheet. If we sign OG's offer sheet first, then our max slot is gone before we can sign Giannis.

Doesn't this mean, the best thing to do is to extend OG right now, at a reasonable and cost-certain price, and then clear cap space before 2021 FA starts?

[Tor_Raps]

Extending him now screws our 2021 cap space. Really hope we wait to do that.

[Gold Dragon]

I'm trying to understand why people are suggesting NOT extending OG right now, in order to keep his cap hold low for 2021 Giannis sweepstakes.

When 2021 FA starts, and some team offers OG a big offer sheet on day 1, forcing us to match - wouldn't that eat into our 2021 cap space? Giannis probably takes his time in 2021 FA and will not sign before we have to match OG's offer sheet.

Doesn't this mean, the best thing to do is to extend OG right now, at a reasonable and cost-certain price, and then clear cap space before 2021 FA starts?

OG's cap hold is 9.6M. That is the amount he will count towards the cap next offseason if we don't extend him that allows us to retain his RFA rights. After you sign a max FA, you can then match OG's contract and go over the cap.

If we extend OG now, it will likely for more than 9.6M and then we will not have room for a max FA next off season. Even with OG's cap hold, we need Norm to opt out of his option year or to trade him away if he opts in to make room for the max FA.

[DelAbbot]

I'm trying to understand why people are suggesting NOT extending OG right now, in order to keep his cap hold low for 2021 Giannis sweepstakes.

When 2021 FA starts, and some team offers OG a big offer sheet on day 1, forcing us to match - wouldn't that eat into our 2021 cap space? Giannis probably takes his time in 2021 FA and will not sign before we have to match OG's offer sheet.

Doesn't this mean, the best thing to do is to extend OG right now, at a reasonable and cost-certain price, and then clear cap space before 2021 FA starts?

OG's cap hold is 9.6M. That is the amount he will count towards the cap next offseason if we don't extend him that allows us to retain his RFA rights. After you sign a max FA, you can then match OG's contract and go over the cap with that amount.

If we extend OG now, it will likely for more than 9.6M and we will not have room for a max FA. Even with OG's cap hold, we need Norm to opt out of his option year or to trade him away if he opts in to make room for the max FA.

Say OG gets $20Mx4 offer sheet on day 1 of 2021 FA, and then on day 10 Giannis decides to sign with someone. Can we delay matching the OG offer sheet to day 11, after signing Giannis to the max on day 10 (going over the cap for OG)?

[Zeno]

I think his caphold is 11.6 million and after dumping Norm we would have above max space by a certain amount, maybe 5 million or so. So I'd definitely offer him a four year extension starting at around 17 million if he'd sign it. I might even go to 19 million and dump my 1st next year for some high 2nds to open up an additional 2 million. Some team is offering him max next offseason. Otto Porter got the max.

[Kreamy]

If OG is cool signing for what his cap hold would be ($8-9mm I think), then sure. Doubt it though.

[bboyskinnylegs]

there is a chance someone jumps on signing OG early to a big offer, but that's a risk we'd have to take if we're all in on trying to bring Giannis here. I don't think there's a lot of teams that will have capspace that won't also try to land Giannis first though.

[Red_Claw]

I think we trade Pascal and fillers for Giannis if we have a chance at him. Cap space wont matter as much.

[JustWin]

RFA man... we gotta stop outbidding ourselves! Look at Siakam!

[Gold Dragon]

I'm trying to understand why people are suggesting NOT extending OG right now, in order to keep his cap hold low for 2021 Giannis sweepstakes.

When 2021 FA starts, and some team offers OG a big offer sheet on day 1, forcing us to match - wouldn't that eat into our 2021 cap space? Giannis probably takes his time in 2021 FA and will not sign before we have to match OG's offer sheet.

Doesn't this mean, the best thing to do is to extend OG right now, at a reasonable and cost-certain price, and then clear cap space before 2021 FA starts?

OG's cap hold is 9.6M. That is the amount he will count towards the cap next offseason if we don't extend him that allows us to retain his RFA rights. After you sign a max FA, you can then match OG's contract and go over the cap with that amount.

If we extend OG now, it will likely for more than 9.6M and we will not have room for a max FA. Even with OG's cap hold, we need Norm to opt out of his option year or to trade him away if he opts in to make room for the max FA.

Say OG gets $20Mx4 offer sheet on day 1 of 2021 FA, and then on day 10 Giannis decides to sign with someone. Can we delay matching the OG offer sheet to day 11, after signing Giannis to the max on day 10 (going over the cap for OG)?

When an RFA gets an offer sheet, there is a 2 day window for the team to match.

The behind the scenes workings of these deals also allow teams to submit transactions to the league in their desired order to make everything fit under CBA rules. That usually happens later on in free agency. That is why you see the deals agreed upon like the Jrue deal and then modified later. Because the deal has actually not been finalized with the league.

We have had teams reneg on deals their GM already agreed upon or free agents reneg on deals in this window between an agreement and formal filing with the league. I think that happened with us when Jordan cancled a deal we made with Charlotte and we also had a free agent reneg on us as well because "God" changed his mind.

[DelAbbot]

OG's cap hold is 9.6M. That is the amount he will count towards the cap next offseason if we don't extend him that allows us to retain his RFA rights. After you sign a max FA, you can then match OG's contract and go over the cap with that amount.

If we extend OG now, it will likely for more than 9.6M and we will not have room for a max FA. Even with OG's cap hold, we need Norm to opt out of his option year or to trade him away if he opts in to make room for the max FA.

Say OG gets $20Mx4 offer sheet on day 1 of 2021 FA, and then on day 10 Giannis decides to sign with someone. Can we delay matching the OG offer sheet to day 11, after signing Giannis to the max on day 10 (going over the cap for OG)?

When an RFA gets an offer sheet, there is a 2 day window for the team to match.

The behind the scenes workings of these deals also allow teams to submit transactions to the league in their desired order to make everything fit under CBA rules. That usually happens later on in free agency. That is why you see the deals agreed upon like the Jrue deal and then modified later. Because the deal has actually not been finalized with the league.

We have had teams reneg on deals their GM already agreed upon or free agents reneg on deals in this window between an agreement and formal filing with the league. I think that happened with us when Jordan cancled a deal we made with Charlotte and we also had a free agent reneg on us as well because "God" changed his mind.

That sounds like a very small window to sign Giannis.

There must be some teams with 2021 cap space, but less than a max slot of cap space. They file a formal offer sheet to OG at ~$20M per year, with the league as soon as 2021 FA starts. Then we got exactly two days to sign Giannis. That's a very small window to operate. So Masai must be very confident in securing Giannis within the first few days of 2021 FA, or we are taking a big gamble with OG's RFA status heading into 2021 FA.

[Syd-TK3]

Do it now he's due for a breakout

[kalel123]

This is where back room deal would come in handy.

[Raptors_128]

If he’s okay with 4-yr/$60 mill or 5-yr/$75 mill lock him in now. Some dumbass team will overpay him like Detroit did with Grant.

[ItsDanger]

This is where back room deal would come in handy.

Safe bet OG can keep his mouth shut.

[Gold Dragon]

Say OG gets $20Mx4 offer sheet on day 1 of 2021 FA, and then on day 10 Giannis decides to sign with someone. Can we delay matching the OG offer sheet to day 11, after signing Giannis to the max on day 10 (going over the cap for OG)?

When an RFA gets an offer sheet, there is a 2 day window for the team to match.

The behind the scenes workings of these deals also allow teams to submit transactions to the league in their desired order to make everything fit under CBA rules. That usually happens later on in free agency. That is why you see the deals agreed upon like the Jrue deal and then modified later. Because the deal has actually not been finalized with the league.

We have had teams reneg on deals their GM already agreed upon or free agents reneg on deals in this window between an agreement and formal filing with the league. I think that happened with us when Jordan cancled a deal we made with Charlotte and we also had a free agent reneg on us as well because "God" changed his mind.

That sounds like a very small window to sign Giannis.

There must be some teams with 2021 cap space, but less than a max slot of cap space. They file a formal offer sheet to OG at ~$20M per year, with the league as soon as 2021 FA starts. Then we got exactly two days to sign Giannis. That's a very small window to operate. So Masai must be very confident in securing Giannis within the first few days of 2021 FA, or we are taking a big gamble with OG's RFA status heading into 2021 FA.

Just looked into it some more. The 2 days to match is 2 days from the end of the July Moratorium.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/nba-free-agency-faqs-explaining-moratorium-bird-rights/

The moratorium is usually a 6 day period from when we are allow to negotiate with free agents but nothing is officially finalized until after the moratorium ends. This year it started Nov 20 and is only 2 days long because of the shortened offseason.

So next year if OG gets an offer sheet on July 1, we will have until July 8 to match his offer sheet. The team that makes the offer sheet is unable to offer that amount of money to another free agent while they are waiting for the Raptors to match. That money in their cap is effectively locked for 8 days when all the big UFAs are signing deals so you will find this rarely happens at the beginning of free agency.

Even after the Raptors match, you have a certain time before you file with the league office but I'm not sure how long that window is.

[seanbig]

I love Og but can someone explain to me why OG is a Rpm of -0.2 and Powell is like a plus 2

Is it because norm is coming off the bench and Og is going
Against starters???

Man I hate stats when it crushes my eye test or Er the scarf test

[RaptorsNorth]

Tough, tough call. You know what happened with pascal, you know how much he’s making because we jumped the gun. you know OG might ask for a big bag right ? That’s almost a given! You can probably find another OG in the draft if you trade up. I dunno about pascal and OG making huge money and eating most of our cap. Remember when we overpaid norm ? Now that deal is not as bad when you look at the money being thrown around but we could have gotten him for cheaper because he struggled the season after we gave that bag.

[Marty_Budda]

RFA man... we gotta stop outbidding ourselves! Look at Siakam!

Bad example. Siakam is a champion and was an all star last season. He was getting maxed by someone if not us despite stinking it up in the bubble.

[Parataxis]

Say OG gets $20Mx4 offer sheet on day 1 of 2021 FA, and then on day 10 Giannis decides to sign with someone. Can we delay matching the OG offer sheet to day 11, after signing Giannis to the max on day 10 (going over the cap for OG)?

When an RFA gets an offer sheet, there is a 2 day window for the team to match.

The behind the scenes workings of these deals also allow teams to submit transactions to the league in their desired order to make everything fit under CBA rules. That usually happens later on in free agency. That is why you see the deals agreed upon like the Jrue deal and then modified later. Because the deal has actually not been finalized with the league.

We have had teams reneg on deals their GM already agreed upon or free agents reneg on deals in this window between an agreement and formal filing with the league. I think that happened with us when Jordan cancled a deal we made with Charlotte and we also had a free agent reneg on us as well because "God" changed his mind.

That sounds like a very small window to sign Giannis.

There must be some teams with 2021 cap space, but less than a max slot of cap space. They file a formal offer sheet to OG at ~$20M per year, with the league as soon as 2021 FA starts. Then we got exactly two days to sign Giannis. That's a very small window to operate. So Masai must be very confident in securing Giannis within the first few days of 2021 FA, or we are taking a big gamble with OG's RFA status heading into 2021 FA.

Or, equally likely, *assuming that OG wants to stay as a Raptor*... team X offers him 4/80. Instead of signing that offer sheet right away, his agent calls Masai, and says "Hey, we have 80/4 from X. Are you guys going to match that?" Masai say "yeah, that works for us. We'll sign OG to that, just give us a week to sign our max FA first, so we'll have a better team put together". Agent says "Okay, great"

Everybody wins.