Trade Discussion 22/23

[dirkules_41]

Didn’t Harrell win 6th man of the year or came close mostly based on his defensive prowess?


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That's the perception because he plays tough but if you look into the statistics they speak a very different language. The Clippers did substantially better when he was off the floor vs on. I don't have the stats handy but maybe someone else does.

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

Even if let's say he'll be a force - the guy can't hit a three. This will never work in our system, it's essentially an undersized bulked up version of Powell then.

[Mr B]

Didn’t Harrell win 6th man of the year or came close mostly based on his defensive prowess?


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That's the perception because he plays tough but if you look into the statistics they speak a very different language. The Clippers did substantially better when he was off the floor vs on. I don't have the stats handy but maybe someone else does.

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

I think most people don’t realize how tough it’s going to be for these rookies this year. They got drafted and then within like a week they have to go into quarantine and then immediate report to a reduced training camp. The regular season literally starts in a month.


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[arkuo]

That's the perception because he plays tough but if you look into the statistics they speak a very different language. The Clippers did substantially better when he was off the floor vs on. I don't have the stats handy but maybe someone else does.

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

I think most people don’t realize how tough it’s going to be for these rookies this year. They got drafted and then within like a week they have to go into quarantine and then immediate report to a reduced training camp. The regular season literally starts in a month.


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Yeah that will be a challenge. No summer camp, no summer league.

[dirkules_41]

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

I think most people don’t realize how tough it’s going to be for these rookies this year. They got drafted and then within like a week they have to go into quarantine and then immediate report to a reduced training camp. The regular season literally starts in a month.


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Yeah that will be a challenge. No summer camp, no summer league.

That is true but this will be the case for all teams across the league so I actually think this will balance out somewhat.

[Archx]

That's the perception because he plays tough but if you look into the statistics they speak a very different language. The Clippers did substantially better when he was off the floor vs on. I don't have the stats handy but maybe someone else does.

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

Even if let's say he'll be a force - the guy can't hit a three. This will never work in our system, it's essentially an undersized bulked up version of Powell then.

Is that such a bad thing though? .. He is stronger than Powell right? Can also be a bully and we all know Mavs desperately need one.

[dirkules_41]

Well up to the bubble, Harrell was a force off the bench. But then COVID or something stopped him? He wasn't himself in the playoffs was completely off. I mean sure he is a risk but if he is at full strength and motivated, he could be someone that Mavs would need. I can't see Crowder leaving Miami unless they don't have the money for him. He was actually really good for them.

When it comes to rookies, they'll need time to adjust, this season will probably be quite hectic and it's also shorter again. Every game will count and we don't know how good Powell will be and KP missing couple of games, Mavs will need every help that they can get but i don't think these rookies can have such a big impact right from the start.

Even if let's say he'll be a force - the guy can't hit a three. This will never work in our system, it's essentially an undersized bulked up version of Powell then.

Is that such a bad thing though? .. He is stronger than Powell right? Can also be a bully and we all know Mavs desperately need one.

Yes an overpriced 6'6 center who can't shoot the three is the last thing this team needs.

[Jg41]

Trade Wright / Jackson / Miami '23 2nd / Dallas '24 2nd / ~5.8M Cash to OKC for Gallinari (3yrs 50.25M)

Sign Green to Rookie Scale

Sign Barea to Vet Minimum

Use MLE to sign Terry / Bey / Cleveland to 4 yr minimum deals

Sign Hinton & Reaves to 2-Way Contracts

PG: Doncic / Brunson / Barea
SG: Richardson / Green / Terry
SF: Hardaway Jr. / Finney-Smith / Cleveland
PF: Gallinari / Kleber / Bey
C: Porzingis / Powell / Marjonovic

Next Summer after Milwaukee bows out of the conference finals/semis:

Trade Gallinari / Powell / Brunson / 2 future 2nds to the Bucks for Antetokounmpo in a Max Sign & Trade

Resign Richardson if he doesn't opt in

Sign Dragic (2yrs MLE)

Resign Marjonovic (2yrs BAE)

PG: Doncic / Dragic / Terry
SG: Richardson / Green / Cleveland
SF: Finney-Smith / Hinton / Reaves
PF: Antetokounmpo / Kleber / Bey
C: Porzingis / Marjonovic / Vet Mimimum (WCS if he's tired of playing in China)

[dirkforpres]

Read on Twitter

Sounds like a trade in the works. I’m hoping it’s with Orlando for Aaron Gordon.

Or maybe I’m just reading too far into vague texts via twitter

[something47]

Read on Twitter

Sounds like a trade in the works. I’m hoping it’s with Orlando for Aaron Gordon.

Or maybe I’m just reading too far into vague texts via twitter

That would be great but what assets do we even have at this point to trade for Gordon? I would say we can use Brunson + Maxi + and Future picks, but they just drafted a PG and have ton's of bigs

[dirkforpres]

Read on Twitter

Sounds like a trade in the works. I’m hoping it’s with Orlando for Aaron Gordon.

Or maybe I’m just reading too far into vague texts via twitter

That would be great but what assets do we even have at this point to trade for Gordon? I would say we can use Brunson + Maxi + and Future picks, but they just drafted a PG and have ton's of bigs

They’ve always liked Finney-Smith. I remember their target list was leaked a few years back with his name on it, and with Dallas drafting Green and acquiring Johnson, he might be a bit more available now.

During the draft, it sounded like a middle of the first round pick was all that was rumored to be the cost for Aaron Gordon, so maybe Dallas offers DFS + protected pick swap or something along those lines to start the conversation

[BlueSan]

Didnt we just sign Wes Iwundu?

[Henry Turner]

Yes we did. We badly needed one great 3&D player and it looks like we have added 3 (jrich, josh green, iwundu).
We also needed a bodyguard for Luka and we got the meanest enforcer (james johnson).
Still feel we are missing one big, really not fond of Dwight powell and dont trust KP's health.

[Heezzi]

Yes we did. We badly needed one great 3&D player and it looks like we have added 3 (jrich, josh green, iwundu).
We also needed a bodyguard for Luka and we got the meanest enforcer (james johnson).
Still feel we are missing one big, really not fond of Dwight powell and dont trust KP's health.

Three point shooters who shoot 35% count as 3 and D?

[JJP]

Yes we did. We badly needed one great 3&D player and it looks like we have added 3 (jrich, josh green, iwundu).
We also needed a bodyguard for Luka and we got the meanest enforcer (james johnson).
Still feel we are missing one big, really not fond of Dwight powell and dont trust KP's health.

Three point shooters who shoot 35% count as 3 and D?

If they have positive defensive metrics, then yes.

[Teffer10]

Yes we did. We badly needed one great 3&D player and it looks like we have added 3 (jrich, josh green, iwundu).
We also needed a bodyguard for Luka and we got the meanest enforcer (james johnson).
Still feel we are missing one big, really not fond of Dwight powell and dont trust KP's health.

Not sure we got 3 great ones but we certainly vastly improved from what we had last season.
Luka now has the right type of players around him and hopefully they'll all develop nicely into their respective roles.
I absolutely love the Johnson trade, exactly what this team desperately needed.

[Henry Turner]

Yes we did. We badly needed one great 3&D player and it looks like we have added 3 (jrich, josh green, iwundu).
We also needed a bodyguard for Luka and we got the meanest enforcer (james johnson).
Still feel we are missing one big, really not fond of Dwight powell and dont trust KP's health.

Three point shooters who shoot 35% count as 3 and D?

I am very confident that next to Luka these rates will go above 40%.
Particularly jrich, he was underlooked in philly last year but he is the one of the best 3&D in the league.

[Darren]

Aaron Gordon and Mo Bamba for Jalen Brunson, Dorian Finney-Smith and Tim Hardaway with maybe picks considerations. The Mavs clear the jam and contend regardless of KP's health. Losing a lot of flexibility in 2021, though. But Gordon on expiring contract should be easy to move if Giannis wants to sign with the Mavs. Texas native Bamba has a chance to impress. And the Mavs trade away potential chemistry problems, i.e. players who lose minutes to new comers.

C - KP / WCS / Bamba / Boban
PF - Gordon / Kleber / Powell
SF - Doncic / Johnson / Iwundu
SG - J-Rich / Green
PG - Burke / Terry / Barea

[JJP]

From Hoopsworld

The Mavericks tried to trade up in the draft to land guard Tyrese Haliburton, according to ESPN’s Zach Lowe (hat tip to RealGM). Dallas attempted to trade multiple picks to lottery teams in the 7-11 range to make that move. Haliburton was ultimately selected at No. 12 by the Kings. The Mavs also tried to work out a deal with the Rockets for small forward Robert Covington, according to Jonathan Givony of ESPN, but Houston instead chose to deal him to the Trail Blazers.

[Apz]

Feels like we dodged a bullet in the haliburton case. And happy we didnt give ouf picks to houston for covington.

[mabundo_nagumbe]

Feels like we dodged a bullet in the haliburton case. And happy we didnt give ouf picks to houston for covington.

Why, what's wrong with Haliburton