DY_nasty wrote:316 is trolling
He told the truth. You may be trolling however.
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DY_nasty wrote:316 is trolling
Braggins wrote:316Hornets wrote:This is a playoff team. A lot of people haven't accepted that reality.
We have young guys(Devonte, Monk) playing for new contracts. After the Kemba debacle, we have to show we are committed to our guys. Bringing in a guy that elevates everyone around him is a great start.
Devonte was getting frustrated last season having to carry the team while being played to the vest due to our lack of shooters. We now have multiple guys ready to launch from deep. There's going to be some great games coming up, enjoy it.
Ok, here is some reality. Our core for next season that we will be relying no to win us games is...
Gordon Hayward - Devontae Graham - Terry Rozier - #3 pick Lamelo "Triple Double Machine" Ball - All-Rookie PJ Washington
Lets compare that to the cores of the rest of the conference.
Atlanta: Trae Young - Bogdon Bogdonavic - John Collins - Danilo Gallinari legit
Boston: Jayson Tatum - Kemba Walker - Jaylen Brown Kemba is cooked
Brooklyn: Kevin Durant - Kyrie Irving - Caris LeVert - Joe Harris - Jarrett Allen Achilles, Knee. These guys will hobble to the finish line
Miami: Jimmy Butler - Bam Adebayo - Goran Dragic - Tyler Herro legit
Milwaukee: Giannis Antetokounmpo - Khris Middleton - Jrue Holiday legit
Philadelphia: Joel Embiid - Ben Simmons - Tobias Harris Harris is washed, Embiid and Simmons both share the middle
Toronto: Pascal Siahkam - Kyle Lowry - Fred VanVleet Lowry older, Siakam can't lead
All those cores are easily better than ours by a pretty big margin and thats already seven teams. Then you have...
Washington: Bradley Beal - John Wall - Davis Bertans
Indiana: Malcolm Brogdon - Victor Oladipo - TJ Warren - Damantis Sabonis
Very likely better than ours, but injury issues with Wall and Oladipo make things a little more fuzzy. The Indiana core is still better than ours without Oladipo (Brogdon = Hayward / Warren = Graham / Sabonis > Rozier), but if Wall straight up sucks we might have an edge over Washington, even though Beal is quite a bit better than Hayward, because the rest of their team is pretty meh and Graham is probably better than Bertans.
If you think our core is better than any of the teams in the first group then I think you are the one who isn't able to accept reality. Its not out of the question that we could sneak into the playoffs as an 8th seed, or maybe a 7th seed if some of the top teams have injury issues and we don't, but insisting this team is a definite playoff squad, or that they are a real threat to do anything, is a pretty big stretch. Like JG has said multiple times, we had the 4th worst point differential in the league last year and overachieved in terms of wins by a big margin and its pretty obvious our roster is pretty lacking in terms of NBA ready talent.
316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:316Hornets wrote:This is a playoff team. A lot of people haven't accepted that reality.
We have young guys(Devonte, Monk) playing for new contracts. After the Kemba debacle, we have to show we are committed to our guys. Bringing in a guy that elevates everyone around him is a great start.
Devonte was getting frustrated last season having to carry the team while being played to the vest due to our lack of shooters. We now have multiple guys ready to launch from deep. There's going to be some great games coming up, enjoy it.
Ok, here is some reality. Our core for next season that we will be relying no to win us games is...
Gordon Hayward - Devontae Graham - Terry Rozier - #3 pick Lamelo "Triple Double Machine" Ball - All-Rookie PJ Washington
Lets compare that to the cores of the rest of the conference.
Atlanta: Trae Young - Bogdon Bogdonavic - John Collins - Danilo Gallinari legit
Boston: Jayson Tatum - Kemba Walker - Jaylen Brown Kemba is cooked
Brooklyn: Kevin Durant - Kyrie Irving - Caris LeVert - Joe Harris - Jarrett Allen Achilles, Knee. These guys will hobble to the finish line
Miami: Jimmy Butler - Bam Adebayo - Goran Dragic - Tyler Herro legit
Milwaukee: Giannis Antetokounmpo - Khris Middleton - Jrue Holiday legit
Philadelphia: Joel Embiid - Ben Simmons - Tobias Harris Harris is washed, Embiid and Simmons both share the middle
Toronto: Pascal Siahkam - Kyle Lowry - Fred VanVleet Lowry older, Siakam can't lead
All those cores are easily better than ours by a pretty big margin and thats already seven teams. Then you have...
Washington: Bradley Beal - John Wall - Davis Bertans
Indiana: Malcolm Brogdon - Victor Oladipo - TJ Warren - Damantis Sabonis
Very likely better than ours, but injury issues with Wall and Oladipo make things a little more fuzzy. The Indiana core is still better than ours without Oladipo (Brogdon = Hayward / Warren = Graham / Sabonis > Rozier), but if Wall straight up sucks we might have an edge over Washington, even though Beal is quite a bit better than Hayward, because the rest of their team is pretty meh and Graham is probably better than Bertans.
If you think our core is better than any of the teams in the first group then I think you are the one who isn't able to accept reality. Its not out of the question that we could sneak into the playoffs as an 8th seed, or maybe a 7th seed if some of the top teams have injury issues and we don't, but insisting this team is a definite playoff squad, or that they are a real threat to do anything, is a pretty big stretch. Like JG has said multiple times, we had the 4th worst point differential in the league last year and overachieved in terms of wins by a big margin and its pretty obvious our roster is pretty lacking in terms of NBA ready talent.
I see 3 teams that are for sure in better position than us. The 4th-9th seed are up for grabs. Our team is young and hungry. Hayward is finally returning to form and will get his chance to be the man again. Keep doubting, that crow is going to be served like Thanksgiving end of season.
SWedd523 wrote:You think Charlotte is gonna be competing with Boston, Philly, Brooklyn, and Toronto for the 4 seed?
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316Hornets wrote:SWedd523 wrote:You think Charlotte is gonna be competing with Boston, Philly, Brooklyn, and Toronto for the 4 seed?
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Don't we still have the MLE? You guys are so used to watching Kemba clanking buzzer beaters, you can't even fathom a winning team. This team is going to the playoffs and we will beat Boston in the 1st round in 4-5 seed matchup.
Braggins wrote:And lmao at "triple double machine Ball"... Ball is going to suck this season. Even if he has a bright future, he is not going to be a positive impact player as a 19 year old rookie coming off no summer league and a limited training camp + preseason.
316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:And lmao at "triple double machine Ball"... Ball is going to suck this season. Even if he has a bright future, he is not going to be a positive impact player as a 19 year old rookie coming off no summer league and a limited training camp + preseason.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914346-2020-draft-prospects-who-are-the-most-nba-ready
"Passing instincts translate quickly, as we've recently seen with Ja Morant, Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Despite struggling in other areas, Lonzo Ball still averaged 7.2 assists per game as a rookie. Even in a worst-case scenario, LaMelo Ball could be one of the league's most skilled playmakers.
At 18 years old, he was second in assists per game in Australia's National Basketball League. And because of his 6'7" size, ball-handling, creativity and vision, it's easy to buy Ball's ability to create easy shots for teammates in transition and off ball screens."
Braggins wrote:316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:And lmao at "triple double machine Ball"... Ball is going to suck this season. Even if he has a bright future, he is not going to be a positive impact player as a 19 year old rookie coming off no summer league and a limited training camp + preseason.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914346-2020-draft-prospects-who-are-the-most-nba-ready
"Passing instincts translate quickly, as we've recently seen with Ja Morant, Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Despite struggling in other areas, Lonzo Ball still averaged 7.2 assists per game as a rookie. Even in a worst-case scenario, LaMelo Ball could be one of the league's most skilled playmakers.
At 18 years old, he was second in assists per game in Australia's National Basketball League. And because of his 6'7" size, ball-handling, creativity and vision, it's easy to buy Ball's ability to create easy shots for teammates in transition and off ball screens."
Trae Young was still a negative player his rookie season. Luka is one of the best prospects in the history of the league. Ja is easily a better prospect than Ball and he wasn't a positive impact player his rookie season.
I don't doubt that Ball will get assists if he gets playing time this year, but he is going to be an abysmal defender and he still can't shoot and will struggle to score with any kind of efficiency.
316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:316Hornets wrote:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914346-2020-draft-prospects-who-are-the-most-nba-ready
"Passing instincts translate quickly, as we've recently seen with Ja Morant, Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Despite struggling in other areas, Lonzo Ball still averaged 7.2 assists per game as a rookie. Even in a worst-case scenario, LaMelo Ball could be one of the league's most skilled playmakers.
At 18 years old, he was second in assists per game in Australia's National Basketball League. And because of his 6'7" size, ball-handling, creativity and vision, it's easy to buy Ball's ability to create easy shots for teammates in transition and off ball screens."
Trae Young was still a negative player his rookie season. Luka is one of the best prospects in the history of the league. Ja is easily a better prospect than Ball and he wasn't a positive impact player his rookie season.
I don't doubt that Ball will get assists if he gets playing time this year, but he is going to be an abysmal defender and he still can't shoot and will struggle to score with any kind of efficiency.
Ball's entry to the league is much more like Luka instead of Ja/Trae. He has been playing against grown men for years now.
316Hornets wrote:Ball's entry to the league is much more like Luka instead of Ja/Trae. He has been playing against grown men for years now.
316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:316Hornets wrote:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2914346-2020-draft-prospects-who-are-the-most-nba-ready
"Passing instincts translate quickly, as we've recently seen with Ja Morant, Trae Young and Luka Doncic. Despite struggling in other areas, Lonzo Ball still averaged 7.2 assists per game as a rookie. Even in a worst-case scenario, LaMelo Ball could be one of the league's most skilled playmakers.
At 18 years old, he was second in assists per game in Australia's National Basketball League. And because of his 6'7" size, ball-handling, creativity and vision, it's easy to buy Ball's ability to create easy shots for teammates in transition and off ball screens."
Trae Young was still a negative player his rookie season. Luka is one of the best prospects in the history of the league. Ja is easily a better prospect than Ball and he wasn't a positive impact player his rookie season.
I don't doubt that Ball will get assists if he gets playing time this year, but he is going to be an abysmal defender and he still can't shoot and will struggle to score with any kind of efficiency.
Ball's entry to the league is much more like Luka instead of Ja/Trae. He has been playing against grown men for years now.
SWedd523 wrote:316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:Trae Young was still a negative player his rookie season. Luka is one of the best prospects in the history of the league. Ja is easily a better prospect than Ball and he wasn't a positive impact player his rookie season.
I don't doubt that Ball will get assists if he gets playing time this year, but he is going to be an abysmal defender and he still can't shoot and will struggle to score with any kind of efficiency.
Ball's entry to the league is much more like Luka instead of Ja/Trae. He has been playing against grown men for years now.
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BigSlam wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:316Hornets wrote:Braggins wrote:Trae Young was still a negative player his rookie season. Luka is one of the best prospects in the history of the league. Ja is easily a better prospect than Ball and he wasn't a positive impact player his rookie season.
I don't doubt that Ball will get assists if he gets playing time this year, but he is going to be an abysmal defender and he still can't shoot and will struggle to score with any kind of efficiency.
Ball's entry to the league is much more like Luka instead of Ja/Trae. He has been playing against grown men for years now.
Bro
BigSlam wrote:But how about that Hayward signing.....