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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#981 » by TheZachAttack » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:42 am

Danimals wrote:I think our depth chart will look something like:

Russell - Rubio - McLaughlin
Beasley - Edwards - Nowell
Culver - Okogie - McDaniels
Hernangomez - Layman - Vanderbilt
Towns - Davis - Reid

Culver, Okogie, Edwards could all be swapped around with each other on the depth chart.

I think our best lineup, strictly for winning will be:

Rubio
Russell
?
Davis
Towns

With one of Beasley, Edwards, Culver, Okogie, Layman, Hernangomez taking the last spot. Hopefully it is Edwards, and then Hernangomez can defend enough to over take Davis.

It will be interesting to see how much we prioritize winning vs development. It will definitely impact lineups.


There is a -1000% chance there is meaningful minutes with a Towns/Davis frontcourt. Do people just not pay attention to Rosas/Saunder's philosophy or do they willfully ignore it?
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#982 » by Klomp » Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:57 am

andyhop wrote:I mean I love Rubio but he doesn't at all fit into the system or age profile we have been told that the Wolves want and given the roster make up is certainly going to be taking minutes away from someones development.

When Rosas looks at Rubio’s path, he sees the perfect veteran for this roster. Rubio has the versatility to run the show as the point guard and have Russell move off the ball for a different look. Or Rubio can play the off guard, keeping the ball moving and helping stabilize the backourt defense while Russell takes the controls. It’s a similar philosophy to what Rosas was a part of in Houston with James Harden and Paul, when one or the other was on the court at all times to keep the offense hitting on all cylinders.

Playing with two dynamic scorers who also like the ball in their hands like Booker and Mitchell has prepared Rubio for playing with Russell, who had success in Brooklyn playing with Spencer Dinwiddie in a two-playmaker backcourt. When he is with the second unit, Rosas and Saunders see a player who can make life easier for Jarrett Culver, Jake Layman, Naz Reid and maybe even Edwards if the Wolves ease him into things.

“There’s a certain way we want to play and that’s fast and in the open court,” Rosas said. “When you add an elite playmaker to an already elite point guard in D’Angelo, that just means we’re going to have the highest level of playmaking on the floor for 48 minutes in addition to having those guys play together.”


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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#983 » by Domejandro » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:43 pm

D’Angelo Russell is a terrific off-ball scorer, that part of his game is going to really thrive with Ricky.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#984 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:43 pm

There are so many players I consider guards that it makes it difficult to predict. I'll give my best shot. Though I think we still may try to find a deal for a cheap PF with some combo of Layman, Vanderbilt, Reid, Nowell + a future 2nd (I know).


Russell/Beasley/Okogie/Juancho/KAT

Rubio sixth man comes in for Beasley, followed by Culver for Okogie and Layman for Juancho, then Edwards for Russell and Davis for KAT.

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Layman, Davis start the 2nd quarter.

Starting unit finishes it.

Rubio/Russell/Okogie, Edwards, or Culver (this will depend on who proves to shoot better this year and if Edwards proves out defensively. if Culver cannot shoot FTs then he is unplayable in close games)/Juancho/KAT close out the game.

Rubio wins 6th man of the year.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#985 » by Danimals » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:29 pm

TheZachAttack wrote:
Danimals wrote:I think our depth chart will look something like:

Russell - Rubio - McLaughlin
Beasley - Edwards - Nowell
Culver - Okogie - McDaniels
Hernangomez - Layman - Vanderbilt
Towns - Davis - Reid

Culver, Okogie, Edwards could all be swapped around with each other on the depth chart.

I think our best lineup, strictly for winning will be:

Rubio
Russell
?
Davis
Towns

With one of Beasley, Edwards, Culver, Okogie, Layman, Hernangomez taking the last spot. Hopefully it is Edwards, and then Hernangomez can defend enough to over take Davis.

It will be interesting to see how much we prioritize winning vs development. It will definitely impact lineups.


There is a -1000% chance there is meaningful minutes with a Towns/Davis frontcourt. Do people just not pay attention to Rosas/Saunder's philosophy or do they willfully ignore it?


I don’t disagree and I didn’t say anything about meaningful minutes. I said best lineup for winning. Now if Towns can take some real steps forward on defense, Hernangomez can slot in. In reality, I am sure we will trot out many variations of no defense lineups, with great offense, and limited wins. Ultimately if we don’t play a mix of vets with the youth, we won’t win. The young OKC team with Durant, Harden, Westbrook, and Ibaka was amazing; but it was also a total anomaly in terms of age.
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Post#986 » by Dewey » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:32 pm

Midw35t wrote:There are so many players I consider guards that it makes it difficult to predict. I'll give my best shot. Though I think we still may try to find a deal for a cheap PF with some combo of Layman, Vanderbilt, Reid, Nowell + a future 2nd (I know).


Russell/Beasley/Okogie/Juancho/KAT

Rubio sixth man comes in for Beasley, followed by Culver for Okogie and Layman for Juancho, then Edwards for Russell and Davis for KAT.

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Layman, Davis start the 2nd quarter.

Starting unit finishes it.

Rubio/Russell/Okogie, Edwards, or Culver (this will depend on who proves to shoot better this year and if Edwards proves out defensively. if Culver cannot shoot FTs then he is unplayable in close games)/Juancho/KAT close out the game.

Rubio wins 6th man of the year.

IMO the lineup flexibility is reliant on 3 key things ...
1. Will DLo and KAT click best with DLo at PG, SG, either or? ... much will hinge from there.
2. Will the Ant and Beasley prove willing & able defenders? ... their chance to be a starter or mere rotational role player.
3. Will Okogie and Culver prove capable of making "open" shots? ... something has to give here.
4. How durable will Layman and Juancho at F? ... specifically on the defensive side.
5. Will McDaniels or Vanderbilt prove capable of filling even limited roles? ... wishful thinking or add needed depth.

it's difficult to really lay out rotations and depth charts until (specifically) #2 and #3 are ironed out. Fortunately we pretty much know Rubio can operate as a starter, lead the second unit, or some of both. Just need to find that blend of players who can play winning basketball.
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Post#987 » by UnFadeable21 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:42 pm

If I’m the Timberwolves, I’m going two bigs full time.

The lakers did it all playoffs and they were routinely out-rebounding their opponents 20+ per game.

More rebounds = more ball control, more second chances, and less second chances for your opponents.
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Post#988 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:23 pm

Dewey wrote:
Midw35t wrote:There are so many players I consider guards that it makes it difficult to predict. I'll give my best shot. Though I think we still may try to find a deal for a cheap PF with some combo of Layman, Vanderbilt, Reid, Nowell + a future 2nd (I know).


Russell/Beasley/Okogie/Juancho/KAT

Rubio sixth man comes in for Beasley, followed by Culver for Okogie and Layman for Juancho, then Edwards for Russell and Davis for KAT.

Rubio, Edwards, Culver, Layman, Davis start the 2nd quarter.

Starting unit finishes it.

Rubio/Russell/Okogie, Edwards, or Culver (this will depend on who proves to shoot better this year and if Edwards proves out defensively. if Culver cannot shoot FTs then he is unplayable in close games)/Juancho/KAT close out the game.

Rubio wins 6th man of the year.

IMO the lineup flexibility is reliant on 3 key things ...
1. Will DLo and KAT click best with DLo at PG, SG, either or? ... much will hinge from there.
2. Will the Ant and Beasley prove willing & able defenders? ... their chance to be a starter or mere rotational role player.
3. Will Okogie and Culver prove capable of making "open" shots? ... something has to give here.
4. How durable will Layman and Juancho at F? ... specifically on the defensive side.
5. Will McDaniels or Vanderbilt prove capable of filling even limited roles? ... wishful thinking or add needed depth.

it's difficult to really lay out rotations and depth charts until (specifically) #2 and #3 are ironed out. Fortunately we pretty much know Rubio can operate as a starter, lead the second unit, or some of both. Just need to find that blend of players who can play winning basketball.


Well, that was 5 things.

1. Dlo is fine at either. The real question is who do you start between Rubio and Beasley. One has to come off the bench. Rubio is the only one suited to with the current roster construction.

2. Beasley is willing, he just is a below average defender. Ant has all the capabilities, so that will remain to be determined. If Ant does start, having 32mil dedicated to the 6th and 7th players would be odd.

3. I think both can become near average shooters, think 32 - 35 %. Enough to not totally collapse a D. If not, we have another huge issue at the wing position.

4. Juancho I like. Layman I would trade him and his toe in a package for a real PF for matchups.

5. I expect McDaniels to start in the G-league, unless he surprises. Vanderbilt the same, or packaged with Layman as filler.
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Post#989 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:29 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:If I’m the Timberwolves, I’m going two bigs full time.

The lakers did it all playoffs and they were routinely out-rebounding their opponents 20+ per game.

More rebounds = more ball control, more second chances, and less second chances for your opponents.


That is why I wanted Wiseman, as many did. Control boards on both ends and have an actual rim protector. Force the other teams issue. What are you going to do put Tucker on KAT and a 6'8 guy on Wiseman? Good luck.

If they play to your hand, they are compromising what they spent $ on for roster construction, and ruining their gameplan.

Now we are emulating something that is in reversal after the failed experiment in Houston. And our construction seems worse, though KAT is in a league of his own for this type of system.
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Post#990 » by UnFadeable21 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:31 pm

Midw35t wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:If I’m the Timberwolves, I’m going two bigs full time.

The lakers did it all playoffs and they were routinely out-rebounding their opponents 20+ per game.

More rebounds = more ball control, more second chances, and less second chances for your opponents.


That is why I wanted Wiseman, as many did. Control boards on both ends and have an actual rim protector. Force the other teams issue. What are you going to do put Tucker on KAT and a 6'8 guy on Wiseman? Good luck.

Now we are emulating something that is in reversal after the failed experiment in Houston. And our construction seems worse, though KAT is in a league of his own for this type of system.



I hope Rosas learned watching his beloved Houston Rockets get thoroughly abused by the Lakers in the playoffs how laughable small ball game plan is and was.

Even the Nuggets using two bigs killed the Clippers small ball.
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Post#991 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:44 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:If I’m the Timberwolves, I’m going two bigs full time.

The lakers did it all playoffs and they were routinely out-rebounding their opponents 20+ per game.

More rebounds = more ball control, more second chances, and less second chances for your opponents.


That is why I wanted Wiseman, as many did. Control boards on both ends and have an actual rim protector. Force the other teams issue. What are you going to do put Tucker on KAT and a 6'8 guy on Wiseman? Good luck.

Now we are emulating something that is in reversal after the failed experiment in Houston. And our construction seems worse, though KAT is in a league of his own for this type of system.



I hope Rosas learned watching his beloved Houston Rockets get thoroughly abused by the Lakers in the playoffs how laughable small ball game plan is and was.

Even the Nuggets using two bigs killed the Clippers small ball.


The warriors saw it, they knew they couldn't compete with small ball anymore.

It is like a kid looking up to his father without realizing that he has to clean up the mistakes.

It gets even worse for us. We have no big wing to defend what you have to in the Western playoffs, LeBron, Kawhi, PG13. The hope is Ant I guess, because there is no denying he is built like a brick shithouse. Then no two starter bigs. If KAT gets hurt again, we are so screwed.
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Post#992 » by _AIJ_ » Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:47 pm

andyhop wrote:
Macwolf527 wrote:
I had the same thought. With Rosas preaching sustainable winning, it didn’t seem logical for Naz to miss out on minutes for development for a 31 year old who doesn’t fit your style of play or timeline.



Why would you believe what Rosas says though.

I mean I love Rubio but he doesn't at all fit into the system or age profile we have been told that the Wolves want and given the roster make up is certainly going to be taking minutes away from someones development.

No offense, this is a lane statement and you clearly have no idea what youre talking about


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Post#993 » by jpatrick » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:22 pm

After listening to Dane Moore’s most recent podcast with Britt Robison, I’m not optimistic about the season. I didn’t realize quite how horrific Juancho’s defensive numbers are. He’s just not a good fit with KAT on that end.

I disagree with Robinson’s take on Rubio. I think he’ll unlock some of Russell’s off the ball capabilities, like he showed in Brooklyn. I also think/hope that Russell will be easier to hide on D off the ball.

Finally, they had some interesting advanced stats on Layman. Very small sample size but he was the best fit with KAT defensively BY FAR and and good defensively overall.

Based on that:

Rubio-(Russell)-JMac or Hagans
Russell-Beasley-(Culver)
Okogie-Culver-Edwards
Layman-Hernangomez-(Davis)
Towns-Davis-Reid

I really hope we find a way to trade a wing for a PF. Unless he’s much better out of the gate than I expect, Edwards minutes might really get squeezed, which wouldn’t be good for him or the team long term.
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Post#994 » by Mattya » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:32 pm

At the start of the season this is what I would suspect.

DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Edwards
Okogie/Culver
Juancho/(Layman or Davis)
KAT/Reid/Davis

1. Beasley starts. We have seen what he played like when he got here. Excellent role in the starting lineup. Edwards comes off the bench and gets to fight for one of the starting spots by playing defense. Plus his secondary ball handling ability will fit well with Rubio who has played his best with the secondary shot creator with him. Plus the bench will need someone to create defensive rotation.

2. Okogie starts to give the starting lineup some defense and hustle plays to ignite runs. Plus his ability to draw fouls and get into the paint is very good. With the space created with 4 good shooters he should thrive off of lanes created to slash and cut. If he improves his spot up 3 point shooting now in his 3rd season it would be amazing. He may not have ideal height but his energy and strength could make him our Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker.

3. Culver off the bench. Playing with Rubio could do wonders for him. Now hopefully he has gotten stronger to finish better inside and improves his shooting in all aspects. They won’t completely bench him as at the very minimum they need him as a trade asset. Hopefully the shot has been broken and rebuilt enough to where we don’t need to move him.

4. Layman will play majority of minutes at back up power forward. Again playing with Rubio will be incredible for a cutter like Layman. He isn’t the ideal power forward and I think they want to give Vanderbilt some minutes to develop and show what he can do, but I think again they will try to showcase Layman, Culver and probably Okogie as we have the most committed to these players and those positions are our biggest question marks. Then once the trade deadline gets closer and teams start making decision of upcoming free agents I suspect Rosas will pounce. I don’t know if that is Tucker, Gordon, Collins, Nance...

5. Rubio will sub in for Beasley first. Sets more of a tone defensively having Rubio and Okogie together while keeping 3 good shooters on the floor. Then I would expect Edwards to sub in for Okogie. Followed by the rest. Everything will depend on match ups as well.
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Post#995 » by Dual » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:43 pm

Mattya wrote:At the start of the season this is what I would suspect.

DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Edwards
Okogie/Culver
Juancho/(Layman or Davis)
KAT/Reid/Davis

1. Beasley starts. We have seen what he played like when he got here. Excellent role in the starting lineup. Edwards comes off the bench and gets to fight for one of the starting spots by playing defense. Plus his secondary ball handling ability will fit well with Rubio who has played his best with the secondary shot creator with him. Plus the bench will need someone to create defensive rotation.

2. Okogie starts to give the starting lineup some defense and hustle plays to ignite runs. Plus his ability to draw fouls and get into the paint is very good. With the space created with 4 good shooters he should thrive off of lanes created to slash and cut. If he improves his spot up 3 point shooting now in his 3rd season it would be amazing. He may not have ideal height but his energy and strength could make him our Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker.

3. Culver off the bench. Playing with Rubio could do wonders for him. Now hopefully he has gotten stronger to finish better inside and improves his shooting in all aspects. They won’t completely bench him as at the very minimum they need him as a trade asset. Hopefully the shot has been broken and rebuilt enough to where we don’t need to move him.

4. Layman will play majority of minutes at back up power forward. Again playing with Rubio will be incredible for a cutter like Layman. He isn’t the ideal power forward and I think they want to give Vanderbilt some minutes to develop and show what he can do, but I think again they will try to showcase Layman, Culver and probably Okogie as we have the most committed to these players and those positions are our biggest question marks. Then once the trade deadline gets closer and teams start making decision of upcoming free agents I suspect Rosas will pounce. I don’t know if that is Tucker, Gordon, Collins, Nance...

5. Rubio will sub in for Beasley first. Sets more of a tone defensively having Rubio and Okogie together while keeping 3 good shooters on the floor. Then I would expect Edwards to sub in for Okogie. Followed by the rest. Everything will depend on match ups as well.

It's ok, but all the shooting is in the starters. Bench can't shoot, so you are going to surround Ricky with no shooters, not a good deal.
I really believe Beasley role should be as 6th man, like Lou Williams, instant offense, high volume scorer.
Nonetheless shooting as well as defending should be taken in account to have it during all the game.
Let's see what we do at the end.
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Post#996 » by Jedzz » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:45 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:If I’m the Timberwolves, I’m going two bigs full time.

The lakers did it all playoffs and they were routinely out-rebounding their opponents 20+ per game.

More rebounds = more ball control, more second chances, and less second chances for your opponents.


That is why I wanted Wiseman, as many did. Control boards on both ends and have an actual rim protector. Force the other teams issue. What are you going to do put Tucker on KAT and a 6'8 guy on Wiseman? Good luck.

Now we are emulating something that is in reversal after the failed experiment in Houston. And our construction seems worse, though KAT is in a league of his own for this type of system.



I hope Rosas learned watching his beloved Houston Rockets get thoroughly abused by the Lakers in the playoffs how laughable small ball game plan is and was.

Even the Nuggets using two bigs killed the Clippers small ball.


Heat got beat up as well, although they made the mistake of not using their largest center in the final game. Lakers are unique in the offense they can get from a C and PF at the same time if you see AD as the center and Lebron is the PF. Wolves woud have had to draft someone like Toppin and then hope his defense comes around or else address a desire to play this way in FA.
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Post#997 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:27 pm

Mattya wrote:At the start of the season this is what I would suspect.

DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Edwards
Okogie/Culver
Juancho/(Layman or Davis)
KAT/Reid/Davis

1. Beasley starts. We have seen what he played like when he got here. Excellent role in the starting lineup. Edwards comes off the bench and gets to fight for one of the starting spots by playing defense. Plus his secondary ball handling ability will fit well with Rubio who has played his best with the secondary shot creator with him. Plus the bench will need someone to create defensive rotation.

2. Okogie starts to give the starting lineup some defense and hustle plays to ignite runs. Plus his ability to draw fouls and get into the paint is very good. With the space created with 4 good shooters he should thrive off of lanes created to slash and cut. If he improves his spot up 3 point shooting now in his 3rd season it would be amazing. He may not have ideal height but his energy and strength could make him our Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker.

3. Culver off the bench. Playing with Rubio could do wonders for him. Now hopefully he has gotten stronger to finish better inside and improves his shooting in all aspects. They won’t completely bench him as at the very minimum they need him as a trade asset. Hopefully the shot has been broken and rebuilt enough to where we don’t need to move him.

4. Layman will play majority of minutes at back up power forward. Again playing with Rubio will be incredible for a cutter like Layman. He isn’t the ideal power forward and I think they want to give Vanderbilt some minutes to develop and show what he can do, but I think again they will try to showcase Layman, Culver and probably Okogie as we have the most committed to these players and those positions are our biggest question marks. Then once the trade deadline gets closer and teams start making decision of upcoming free agents I suspect Rosas will pounce. I don’t know if that is Tucker, Gordon, Collins, Nance...

5. Rubio will sub in for Beasley first. Sets more of a tone defensively having Rubio and Okogie together while keeping 3 good shooters on the floor. Then I would expect Edwards to sub in for Okogie. Followed by the rest. Everything will depend on match ups as well.


So essentially my exact lineup.

Still really confused on our PF position moving forward. But I dont mind playing 5 out, or 4 out with KAT gettinf back to exhibiting his nearly unstoppable post game.
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Post#998 » by Mattya » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:28 pm

Dual wrote:
Mattya wrote:At the start of the season this is what I would suspect.

DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Edwards
Okogie/Culver
Juancho/(Layman or Davis)
KAT/Reid/Davis

1. Beasley starts. We have seen what he played like when he got here. Excellent role in the starting lineup. Edwards comes off the bench and gets to fight for one of the starting spots by playing defense. Plus his secondary ball handling ability will fit well with Rubio who has played his best with the secondary shot creator with him. Plus the bench will need someone to create defensive rotation.

2. Okogie starts to give the starting lineup some defense and hustle plays to ignite runs. Plus his ability to draw fouls and get into the paint is very good. With the space created with 4 good shooters he should thrive off of lanes created to slash and cut. If he improves his spot up 3 point shooting now in his 3rd season it would be amazing. He may not have ideal height but his energy and strength could make him our Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker.

3. Culver off the bench. Playing with Rubio could do wonders for him. Now hopefully he has gotten stronger to finish better inside and improves his shooting in all aspects. They won’t completely bench him as at the very minimum they need him as a trade asset. Hopefully the shot has been broken and rebuilt enough to where we don’t need to move him.

4. Layman will play majority of minutes at back up power forward. Again playing with Rubio will be incredible for a cutter like Layman. He isn’t the ideal power forward and I think they want to give Vanderbilt some minutes to develop and show what he can do, but I think again they will try to showcase Layman, Culver and probably Okogie as we have the most committed to these players and those positions are our biggest question marks. Then once the trade deadline gets closer and teams start making decision of upcoming free agents I suspect Rosas will pounce. I don’t know if that is Tucker, Gordon, Collins, Nance...

5. Rubio will sub in for Beasley first. Sets more of a tone defensively having Rubio and Okogie together while keeping 3 good shooters on the floor. Then I would expect Edwards to sub in for Okogie. Followed by the rest. Everything will depend on match ups as well.

It's ok, but all the shooting is in the starters. Bench can't shoot, so you are going to surround Ricky with no shooters, not a good deal.
I really believe Beasley role should be as 6th man, like Lou Williams, instant offense, high volume scorer.
Nonetheless shooting as well as defending should be taken in account to have it during all the game.
Let's see what we do at the end.


The bench all playing at the same time is always minimal. There is almost always 1 starter on the court.
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Post#999 » by Macwolf527 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:31 pm

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UnFadeable21 wrote:
Midw35t wrote:
That is why I wanted Wiseman, as many did. Control boards on both ends and have an actual rim protector. Force the other teams issue. What are you going to do put Tucker on KAT and a 6'8 guy on Wiseman? Good luck.

Now we are emulating something that is in reversal after the failed experiment in Houston. And our construction seems worse, though KAT is in a league of his own for this type of system.



I hope Rosas learned watching his beloved Houston Rockets get thoroughly abused by the Lakers in the playoffs how laughable small ball game plan is and was.

Even the Nuggets using two bigs killed the Clippers small ball.


Heat got beat up as well, although they made the mistake of not using their largest center in the final game. Lakers are unique in the offense they can get from a C and PF at the same time if you see AD as the center and Lebron is the PF. Wolves woud have had to draft someone like Toppin and then hope his defense comes around or else address a desire to play this way in FA.


Our lineup would never be classified as "small ball" with KAT present. Houston did not have a rim protector in their lineup anywhere. The key is protecting KAT from foul trouble by having the correct shifts along the perimeter. We often thru KAT under the bus when he's back peddling to the rim on the roll, but that's his job. The issue was that the weakside help often was not moving with the flight of the ball and others were out of position to contest in the lane. Hopefully, this is corrected now that players have been in the system for a while. Players like Vanderbilt and Ed Davis become crucial in a series with the Lakers because of their strength and length against Davis.

My argument against the whole thing, is being effective enough in your offensive game plan to force the opposition to adjust to what you're doing versus you having to adjust to them. The Warriors did this for years. Houston tried, but did not have enough firepower like Golden State. P.S. The bigs of Denver did not kill the Clippers, it was Murray. He was just on fire.
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Re: Constructing the Timberwolves rotation 

Post#1000 » by Midw35t » Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:35 pm

Mattya wrote:
Dual wrote:
Mattya wrote:At the start of the season this is what I would suspect.

DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Edwards
Okogie/Culver
Juancho/(Layman or Davis)
KAT/Reid/Davis

1. Beasley starts. We have seen what he played like when he got here. Excellent role in the starting lineup. Edwards comes off the bench and gets to fight for one of the starting spots by playing defense. Plus his secondary ball handling ability will fit well with Rubio who has played his best with the secondary shot creator with him. Plus the bench will need someone to create defensive rotation.

2. Okogie starts to give the starting lineup some defense and hustle plays to ignite runs. Plus his ability to draw fouls and get into the paint is very good. With the space created with 4 good shooters he should thrive off of lanes created to slash and cut. If he improves his spot up 3 point shooting now in his 3rd season it would be amazing. He may not have ideal height but his energy and strength could make him our Marcus Smart or PJ Tucker.

3. Culver off the bench. Playing with Rubio could do wonders for him. Now hopefully he has gotten stronger to finish better inside and improves his shooting in all aspects. They won’t completely bench him as at the very minimum they need him as a trade asset. Hopefully the shot has been broken and rebuilt enough to where we don’t need to move him.

4. Layman will play majority of minutes at back up power forward. Again playing with Rubio will be incredible for a cutter like Layman. He isn’t the ideal power forward and I think they want to give Vanderbilt some minutes to develop and show what he can do, but I think again they will try to showcase Layman, Culver and probably Okogie as we have the most committed to these players and those positions are our biggest question marks. Then once the trade deadline gets closer and teams start making decision of upcoming free agents I suspect Rosas will pounce. I don’t know if that is Tucker, Gordon, Collins, Nance...

5. Rubio will sub in for Beasley first. Sets more of a tone defensively having Rubio and Okogie together while keeping 3 good shooters on the floor. Then I would expect Edwards to sub in for Okogie. Followed by the rest. Everything will depend on match ups as well.

It's ok, but all the shooting is in the starters. Bench can't shoot, so you are going to surround Ricky with no shooters, not a good deal.
I really believe Beasley role should be as 6th man, like Lou Williams, instant offense, high volume scorer.
Nonetheless shooting as well as defending should be taken in account to have it during all the game.
Let's see what we do at the end.


The bench all playing at the same time is always minimal. There is almost always 1 starter on the court.


Yeah, Rubio is here to elevate, not to be placated to. That second unit is stout enough defensively, and I would expect Rubio to elevate it enough offensively for a few minutes. Especially if the #1 and #6 pick are anything worth a damn.

Remember, there are no 5 for 5 subs in the NBA.

Rubio will play with a variety of players, as will the whole team. We piece it around Russell and KAT only.

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