Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8

[Jalen Bluntson]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

[thebuzzardman]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

[Jalen Bluntson]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

I shoveled some manure on the pile in the other thread.

[thebuzzardman]

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

I shoveled some manure on the pile in the other thread.

Hopefully we can sit back and enjoy the show!

[blanko]

I haven't been around to comment on the draft yet (busy with work...but now I have lots of free time, I've got COVID, bleh).

Obi reminds me of Marcus Fizer; that was another really athletic dude with a good face-up game. Also, while Fizer looked like a paint beast in college, he didn't have a strong enough spark in making his move to the paint - so it didn't translate well to the NBA. That's something Obi needs to work on, too.

I don't think Fizer was a three-point threat, though, so that's a big difference. Especially in 2020.

Obi's career trajectory is unlikely to be that of Marcus' (that dude had so many weird coaching issues, playing time issues, plus his chronic injuries). But that's a guy whose highlights are worth looking at to see Obi's potential floor-level.

This is not like when I compared Knox to Tim Thomas on draft night (great athletic gifts, natural physical gifts most would die for, but just not willing or able to keep the motor turned on). I see Tim's career as a LIKELY trajectory for Kev, for better or worse...while Fizer is merely a skillset comparison.

Sorry but you are completely off on both comps.

Fizer was an undersized bull power foward that was explosive like charles or larry. He couldn't shoot and knee injuries derailed his career. Also, he admits that he was lazy and didnt work on his skills and just relied on his size/athleticism. He was like a bargain bin zion. Nothing like obi who is a much better passer/shooter/ball handler thab Fizer.

Knox never had the perimeter skills like tim, hell i would die for knox to have timmys handle.

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[blanko]

Obi shot is butter

Idk why Knicks got criticized for choosing Obi over Deni

What scares me about deni is his shooting. His free throw %is worse than rj.

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[thebuzzardman]

I haven't been around to comment on the draft yet (busy with work...but now I have lots of free time, I've got COVID, bleh).

Obi reminds me of Marcus Fizer; that was another really athletic dude with a good face-up game. Also, while Fizer looked like a paint beast in college, he didn't have a strong enough spark in making his move to the paint - so it didn't translate well to the NBA. That's something Obi needs to work on, too.

I don't think Fizer was a three-point threat, though, so that's a big difference. Especially in 2020.

Obi's career trajectory is unlikely to be that of Marcus' (that dude had so many weird coaching issues, playing time issues, plus his chronic injuries). But that's a guy whose highlights are worth looking at to see Obi's potential floor-level.

This is not like when I compared Knox to Tim Thomas on draft night (great athletic gifts, natural physical gifts most would die for, but just not willing or able to keep the motor turned on). I see Tim's career as a LIKELY trajectory for Kev, for better or worse...while Fizer is merely a skillset comparison.

Sorry but you are completely off on both comps.

Fizer was an undersized bull power foward that was explosive like charles or larry. He couldn't shoot and knee injuries derailed his career. Also, he admits that he was lazy and didnt work on his skills and just relied on his size/athleticism. He was like a bargain bin zion. Nothing like obi who is a much better passer/shooter/ball handler thab Fizer.

Knox never had the perimeter skills like tim, hell i would die for knox to have timmys handle.

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Obi reminds me of a variation of Aaron Gordon.

[thebuzzardman]

Found these Obi Toppin highlights:

Watch on YouTube

;t=222s

[knicksNOTslick]

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

I shoveled some manure on the pile in the other thread.

Hopefully we can sit back and enjoy the show!

I was hoping that we got Gallo and Chandler back this year so they can groom Obi and RJ into their appropriate roles on the team.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

i think even if his defense never improves he has a very high floor. rare high floor AND high ceiling player IMO. he may not be the best player in the draft, but there's a really good chance he was BPA at 8. he really shouldn't have fallen that far. teams like chicago and cleveland may have overthought this one. (and i like both of their picks. would have been happy for either on the knicks.)

[blueNorange]

The concern is certainly not on the offensive side of the ball. It's defensively. If Obi was a two-way player he would've never slipped down to no. 8 despite his age. It's a legitimate concern.

no.

he fell because of his age. if he was 19-20 he's the #1 pick even with his defense.

I can't imagine anyone passing on the future ROY because he's 3 years older than a player with training wheels on their bicycle

If he is the ROY then the league is stupid enough to make Leon Rose look clever as a fox

i mean, it happens all the time in the draft.

[KnicksGadfly]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

I got you.

RJ is just a rim runner scrub! Not worth building around

[NotDikembeSayNo]

I haven't been around to comment on the draft yet (busy with work...but now I have lots of free time, I've got COVID, bleh).

Obi reminds me of Marcus Fizer; that was another really athletic dude with a good face-up game. Also, while Fizer looked like a paint beast in college, he didn't have a strong enough spark in making his move to the paint - so it didn't translate well to the NBA. That's something Obi needs to work on, too.

I don't think Fizer was a three-point threat, though, so that's a big difference. Especially in 2020.

Obi's career trajectory is unlikely to be that of Marcus' (that dude had so many weird coaching issues, playing time issues, plus his chronic injuries). But that's a guy whose highlights are worth looking at to see Obi's potential floor-level.

This is not like when I compared Knox to Tim Thomas on draft night (great athletic gifts, natural physical gifts most would die for, but just not willing or able to keep the motor turned on). I see Tim's career as a LIKELY trajectory for Kev, for better or worse...while Fizer is merely a skillset comparison.

Oh my lord, a living legend.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Obi better learn to play D or he's looking at high bust potential!!

I'm just trying to initiate the Obi vs RJ conflict

I'm going to join team Obi just cuz I think team RJ will be more popular. I always like to root for the underdogs.

[denterprise]

Obi is going to do just fine on the offensive end and bring some much-needed excitement to the Garden. The concern has been centered around his defense. Check out some of the concerns starting at the 7:25 mark which points out what he needs to work on. With our coaching staff, I believe most of those concerns can be corrected in a season or two. He has the desire but lacks the fundamentals and sometimes has mental lapses which keeps him from being a good defender. With his desire and basketball IQ, he is going to make improvements and become a respectable defender in this league.

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

Odds are you're right and they will

[RHODEY]

Obi is going to do just fine on the offensive end and bring some much-needed excitement to the Garden. The concern has been centered around his defense. Check out some of the concerns starting at the 7:25 mark which points out what he needs to work on. With our coaching staff, I believe most of those concerns can be corrected in a season or two. He has the desire but lacks the fundamentals and sometimes has mental lapses which keeps him from being a good defender. With his desire and basketball IQ, he is going to make improvements and become a respectable defender in this league.

Watch on YouTube

Concern is overrated.

[Iron Mantis]

Obi shot is butter

Idk why Knicks got criticized for choosing Obi over Deni

Obi is wet all the time.

[HighRyzer83]

Obi >>> RJ

That's who the Knicks need to build around. Obi. Not RJ.

C'mon that's not necessary to start any division when they are both key pieces to the same pie. Toppin could be RJ's Zion.

[HighRyzer83]

I haven't been around to comment on the draft yet (busy with work...but now I have lots of free time, I've got COVID, bleh).

Obi reminds me of Marcus Fizer; that was another really athletic dude with a good face-up game. Also, while Fizer looked like a paint beast in college, he didn't have a strong enough spark in making his move to the paint - so it didn't translate well to the NBA. That's something Obi needs to work on, too.

I don't think Fizer was a three-point threat, though, so that's a big difference. Especially in 2020.

Obi's career trajectory is unlikely to be that of Marcus' (that dude had so many weird coaching issues, playing time issues, plus his chronic injuries). But that's a guy whose highlights are worth looking at to see Obi's potential floor-level.

This is not like when I compared Knox to Tim Thomas on draft night (great athletic gifts, natural physical gifts most would die for, but just not willing or able to keep the motor turned on). I see Tim's career as a LIKELY trajectory for Kev, for better or worse...while Fizer is merely a skillset comparison.

Oh my lord, a living legend.

Lol fizer. Idk man I think he absolutely has nothing in common with fizer. Like at all.