Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

[316Hornets]

Zzzz keep instigating.

I said this play would be feast or famine. Higher chance of us tanking into higher draft picks now that we've left ourselves with 0 options.

I'm not instigating, I'm genuinely trying to figure out your view

Did you want us to sign Hayward?

The way I see it, we have 2 options. Go win now or tank for picks.

With us screwing ourselves with the Batum contract, it looked like we were going for picks. But now, I see we are back loading Hayward contract, which looks like a win now strategy.

I like the contract from a tanking perspective, but I'm not sure how much I trust our front office to not shoot themselves in the foot more to save face.

[vorbis]

my thoughts on this whole move boil down to

1) don't really see the big Needle Moving potential of signing Hayward to this contract
2) he's still a (more than) decent player and will help the Hornets win more games next season
3) nobody is going to care about his salary unless he gets hurt, and the 4 years isn't the impediment to moving him if things go south that some seem to think it is
4) stretching Batum is just so awful, but maybe more awful just to have to see his name on the books until 2023, than as some cap-crippling move, since I doubt the Hornets plan to make a habit of being under the cap going forward
5) Mitch can do some work with 2nd round picks, so the sign and trade's return is not nothing
6) gifted a contender an escape hatch out of a bad personnel move, as well as a $28.5M pillow for Danny Ainge to drool on until the trade deadline, or even the free agent bonanza of 2021
7) overall feels like the strategic decision to do this started with the mindset "we need to make a big move," rather than "Gordon Hayward is the missing link to our contending eastern conference team," and that's just a crummy rationale to make a move like this
8) I still like the team, and I'm excited about the young players they're adding, and want to see how they do next year

[HornetsFan29]

With that TPE we gave Boston, there's about 0 chance those 2nds are before pick 50. Why help Boston at all if that's the best they give. I was hoping for a protected 1st...

Mitch has been at great drafting in the 2nd round to calm down dude.

[yosemiteben]

Zzzz keep instigating.

I said this play would be feast or famine. Higher chance of us tanking into higher draft picks now that we've left ourselves with 0 options.

I'm not instigating, I'm genuinely trying to figure out your view

Did you want us to sign Hayward?

The way I see it, we have 2 options. Go win now or tank for picks.

With us screwing ourselves with the Batum contract, it looked like we were going for picks. But now, I see we are back loading Hayward contract, which looks like a win now strategy.

I like the contract from a tanking perspective, but I'm not sure how much I trust our front office to not shoot themselves in the foot more to save face.

Just so I'm clear, you liked spending $120M on Hayward as part of a tank?

I'm really confused.

[amcoolio]

Read on Twitter

Does the player have to agree to front load/back load? Makes 0 sense to back load it. There are no players left in FA to spend on.

[yosemiteben]

Read on Twitter

Does the player have to agree to front load/back load? Makes 0 sense to back load it. There are no players left in FA to spend on.

Theoretically maximizes what little cap space we'll have before the stretched contract expires.

[316Hornets]

I'm not instigating, I'm genuinely trying to figure out your view

Did you want us to sign Hayward?

The way I see it, we have 2 options. Go win now or tank for picks.

With us screwing ourselves with the Batum contract, it looked like we were going for picks. But now, I see we are back loading Hayward contract, which looks like a win now strategy.

I like the contract from a tanking perspective, but I'm not sure how much I trust our front office to not shoot themselves in the foot more to save face.

Just so I'm clear, you liked spending $120M on Hayward as part of a tank?

I'm really confused.

It's feast/famine. He's either going to play like an All star or be constantly injured. In my opinion, it would be better for future championship potential if he is constantly injured.

The reason why this strategy works is we have a dumb owner that will do anything to be an 8 seed. With the Hayward deal and Batum stretch, he doesn't have any options if Hayward sucks/injured. Our only choice will be to improve through the draft. I'm also betting on the fact that he isn't completely brain dead - trades our 2021, 2022 1st.


Now, first and foremost, I'm a fan of winning. So I will take Hayward playing like an All star over the above.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I think this is a horrible move. Mitch might draft OK but he is awful when it comes to free agency and trades.

Stretching Batum is just criminal. As is signing an injury prone 30 year old fringe all-star to a massive 4 year deal. Sell the team please Jordan you suck *** as an owner.

2 late seconds and possibly having to send one back is such crappy "compensation" to giving Boston a TPE. You suck Mitch!

[SWedd523]

So, we stretch Nic and Ainge gets his TPE? Why the heck did we get into a sign-and-trade at all?

Literally the two worst outcomes happened at the same time lmfao

Stretching Batum and gifting Boston the ability to trade for another star and/or deal with the largest TPE in history

If they were going to stretch Batum all along, why the **** would you ALSO gift Boston the TPE?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

2 late seconds are not worth the largest TPE ever

[luciano-davidwesley]

I have never seen someone do an about face in his opinion like 316 is right now. Weren't you all on board this signing originally?

What were you expecting?

Clearly posts drunk. Must be sober now.

[luciano-davidwesley]

The worst thing about this is Batum gets to sign immediately for a contender. I was hoping we would have him rot on our bench all year.

Way to turn a huge asset (expiring $27 million contract) into a massive 3-year liability Mitch and MJ!
Elite decision making by two Mensa candidates!

[SWedd523]

I think when those of us who are still around in ~5 years are looking at a team that is still trash, has no cap space, and still hasn't won even a first round playoff series, we will point to this past couple of weeks as the reason.

Unless Ball or PJ becomes an All-NBA talent, they just re-locked the team into 8-12 purgatory for the next half decade

[Braggins]

Read on Twitter

28.5*
38.9
39.1
31.5

4 years and effectively 138 million for an injury prone 30 year old who isn't an all-star. Just absolutely unreal.

* - I'll give them the benefit of not counting Batum's 9 million towards Haywards first year since we would have been paying Batum this season regardless.

[Braggins]

So, we stretch Nic and Ainge gets his TPE? Why the heck did we get into a sign-and-trade at all?

Literally the two worst outcomes happened at the same time lmfao

Stretching Batum and gifting Boston the ability to trade for another star and/or deal with the largest TPE in history

If they were going to stretch Batum all along, why the **** would you ALSO gift Boston the TPE?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

2 late seconds are not worth the largest TPE ever

I see it as three worst outcomes.

Stretching Batum
Giving Boston their TPE
and keeping Roziers contract on the books.

We are very likely losing some of our young talent even if they pan out because of this travesty.

[SWedd523]

I think when those of us who are still around in ~5 years are looking at a team that is still trash, has no cap space, and still hasn't won even a first round playoff series, we will point to this past couple of weeks as the reason.

Unless Ball or PJ becomes an All-NBA talent, they just re-locked the team into 8-12 purgatory for the next half decade

Self quoting just to say

bUt aT lEaSt ThEy ArEnT tAnKiNg!

[luciano-davidwesley]

I would have walked away without helping Boston if they wouldn't include at least a late first. Seeing as though we are stretching Batum regardless what we got back in this deal is nearly worthless. Giving them 30 million TPE for two almost worthless late seconds. I guarantee Ainge would have given up a first if we called his bluff but Kupcake is a weak negotiator.

If he doesn't bite who cares because we are stretching Batum anyway and the two late seconds are pretty much garbage. Why help Ainge for nearly free?

[BigSlam]

Stretching Batum and gifting Boston the ability to trade for another star and/or deal with the largest TPE in history

If they were going to stretch Batum all along, why the **** would you ALSO gift Boston the TPE?

It makes no sense whatsoever.

2 late seconds are not worth the largest TPE ever

It’s not quite at the level of the Jason Richardson trade for me, but it’s knocking on the door.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Classic Lolcats.

[LakersSoul]

If the SRP consideration is 50/55 protected then it’s better than nothing. It sucks giving a jerk like DAinge a TPE but if the picks are 2023+ then it’s worth more because of the high schoolers who qualify for the draft.

There was no way Ainge was taking Batum so it was this or nothing.

[JMAC3]

I am upset about the Waive and Stretch, but how many additional wins do you think Hayward gives us vs what we would of gotten without him?