Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

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So Aaron told Kuhn it's a done deal. Sweet.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

if the big pIan is for giannis to drive and kick and orchestrate an offense i can assure you thats not going to work either. its not as easy as that and honestIy hes just not aII that good at it especiaIIy in Iate game situations. hes not bad per se but championships arent buiIt on mediocre faciIitators who tend to go head down when the games on the Iine. he pIays the way he pIays and he either gets to the rim or turns it into a turnover or mediocre pass thats usuaIIy too Iate. it just is what it is. hes a wrecking baII far cIoser to a faceup shaq than a Iebron when it matters. hopefuIIy the game sIows down for him Iike aIot of greats as he gets oIder

[Bmaasse]

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

if the big pIan is for giannis to drive and kick and orchestrate an offense i can assure you thats not going to work either. its not as easy as that and honestIy hes just not aII that good at it especiaIIy in Iate game situations. hes not bad per se but championships arent buiIt on mediocre faciIitators who tend to go head down when the games on the Iine. he pIays the way he pIays and he either gets to the rim or turns it into a turnover or mediocre pass thats usuaIIy too Iate. it just is what it is. hes a wrecking baII far cIoser to a faceup shaq than a Iebron when it matters. hopefuIIy the game sIows down for him Iike aIot of greats as he gets oIder

Also he's an awful from the free throw line, particularly in pressure situations, which means that the defense is more than content with just fouling him when the game is on the line.

[giannis and 1]

This is such bull in so many ways.

If Giannis didn't sign the supermax and kicked, we would be left with nothing. If he signs it and asks out a couple years later, we get the biggest trade package in sports history. I read your other posts and you seem to think we are doomed as a franchise if we have no Giannis - that is such a joke of a mentality. Look at OKC and how many picks they have. We would get a boatload of picks and young players. There is no reality where we would get some mediocre **** in exchange for him. There is also no reality where losing Giannis for absolutely nothing is preferable to trading him for assets

And if Giannis signs the supermax with us but wants out later on, it would be because we have failed in the playoffs and he doesn't think we can win a championship anytime soon. Elite players don't remain elite forever, they have a timeframe where they are at there best and have the best chance of winning. How can you fault him for asking out in that situation?

The last part of your post can apply to every team in the NBA other than the handful of big market teams. If Giannis signs the supermax, that shows that he wants to spend at least a couple more years in Milwaukee. Milwaukee might not have the weather and endorsements that other teams have but if the org can build a team that is a contender year in and year out, players will want to play here. It has already started to happen...

If he wants out, it is what it is. He gave us a lot of good years, and we at least get something back for him. That something will probably not be as good as Giannis, but at least we aren't left completely bare. I will still be cheering for us to hit on those draft picks to find another star and build a contender again.

But what you can't do is create a toxic situation where you don't trade the best player your franchise has had when he requests a trade. *And I am assuming that this trade request would happen at least 2 years into his extension*. That would make the Bucks org go from a place where not a lot of players want to play... into a place where no one wants to play.

I'd say OKC has a huge collection of mostly mediocre ****, they have a great future as a farm team tho.

OKC is in a good position and has a **** ton of organizational assets.

Would I rather have Giannis than a lot of picks and young players? Yes. But if we had to trade him, being in OKC's position isn't the worst thing. There are like 15 teams that are worse off right now than OKC.

[giannis and 1]

JayMKE is pretty young and already yells at clouds. Wonder what he reaches the ages of our moderators.

I'm 30.

Same


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Damn you guys are old.

[CharityStripe34]

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

agree 100. no one else in the league could thrive against the defense Giannis sees. This has to fall 100 percent on the coaching staff.
I mean, when they don't challenge the defense with a different look. what is giannis supposed to do when the whole offense is built on him driving and kicking and no one can hit an open shot? answer- he has to try and break down the wall.

if the big pIan is for giannis to drive and kick and orchestrate an offense i can assure you thats not going to work either. its not as easy as that and honestIy hes just not aII that good at it especiaIIy in Iate game situations. hes not bad per se but championships arent buiIt on mediocre faciIitators who tend to go head down when the games on the Iine. he pIays the way he pIays and he either gets to the rim or turns it into a turnover or mediocre pass thats usuaIIy too Iate. it just is what it is. hes a wrecking baII far cIoser to a faceup shaq than a Iebron when it matters. hopefuIIy the game sIows down for him Iike aIot of greats as he gets oIder

This is why maybe Bud and his system are not the right fit. Gianni, as great as he is, isnt lebron or Durant. He should evolve into evolutionary Garnett. Learn 2 basic pull-up and post moves and become a decent mid range shooter. Now he at least will finally have a very good lead G to relieve him of playmakin duties. Gianni off ball, out of the post and from the elbow is major win.

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[giannis and 1]

This isn’t to say it’s all on Giannis to deliver an NBA championship to MKE by himself. Again, he absolutely needs a good supporting cast of players, trainers, and coaching staff. But if the other areas don’t improve, what we see is what we are going to get from him going forward.

The thing is that, even if he doesn't improve even a single bit, a competent organization should be able to build around his current skills. He's a fricking back to back mvp for a reason. He gets the attention of 2 to 5 defenders on every play. Sure, it would be great if he evolved but if you're demanding from him to be top 3 all time to win a championship for MKE, it's a bit unfair. It would also be great for Steph Curry if he could dunk over people and block shots, but they made due with just what he excels at.

Of course, but it’s both. It’s the organization’s responsibility to support him and it’s also his responsibility to improve individually. The overarching point I’m attempting to make is that a holistic approach is needed to maximize Giannis’s potential which will in turn maximize the organization’s potential. It’s all connected. But to not put any responsibility on Giannis is myopic.

Agreed. It's a combination of all those things. We need better players around Giannis, better schemes, a better half court offense, Bud needs to make better decisions and play his stars 38+ min in the playoffs, and ofc Giannis needs to improve in certain areas like shooting (free throws, mid range, 3 pointers), decision making, post moves, more accurate passing. Basically we need to improve a little (or in some cases, a lot) in every area.

That being said, if Giannis starts shooting close to 40% from three, none of the other **** matters - it would be over for the NBA. But I don't think that is realistic, so we need to improvement in all different areas.

[zimpy27]

If Giannis is signing then why hasn't he yet signed?

[dbrodz7]

If Giannis is signing then why hasn't he yet signed?

I would assume a large part of it is that he was out of the country until today.

[zimpy27]

If Giannis is signing then why hasn't he yet signed?

I would assume a large part of it is that he was out of the country until today.

Yes but he or his agent would have read the contract, they know what the contract is. He's been in the city for the past 12 hours.

Perhaps he's still weighing his options?

[theFireBlanket]

Do you realise what kind of person Giannis is? A question for everyone desperate for the signing to happen ASAP.

Now reflect on the off-season that all playoff teams are having. Not much of anything. He's just getting back into the US after briefly being away. With all that is going on in this world, right now. Let them take their time & do it on the official day of choice.

[pack15412]

If Giannis is signing then why hasn't he yet signed?

I would assume a large part of it is that he was out of the country until today.

Yes but he or his agent would have read the contract, they know what the contract is. He's been in the city for the past 12 hours.

Perhaps he's still weighing his options?

Maybe he wanted to go home, unpack, eat something, take a sh*t, get some sleep.

[Prez]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it. Might be a part of the jersey reveal or something

[zimpy27]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it. Might be a part of the jersey reveal or something

That's a decent explanation for the delay

[MickeyDavis]

Yeah, when and if it happens it won’t be a press release or tweet, it will be an event with Giannis present.

[engelmartin]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it. Might be a part of the jersey reveal or something

That's a decent explanation for the delay

There hasn't actually been a delay, he flew out this morning at 3:50 a.m. If he flew from Greece it would take 11 hours (at the very least), meaning the earliest he could have possibly landed was two hours ago.

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[BucksFanSD]

A Monday or Tuesday morning signing would be great. Signings on a Sunday football day make no sense for PR reasons. I'll guess Tuesday.

[skones]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it. Might be a part of the jersey reveal or something

That's a decent explanation for the delay

It's only going to be the largest single contract in NBA history and it's being signed in a small market. It's a pretty big deal. The theatrics are going to be a thing if he signs.

[humanrefutation]

My guess is if it’s going to happen the Bucks are going to make an event of it. Might be a part of the jersey reveal or something

That's a decent explanation for the delay

There hasn't actually been a delay, he flew out this morning at 3:50 a.m. If he flew from Greece it would take 11 hours (at the very least), meaning the earliest he could have possibly landed was two hours ago.

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I think he was in NYC yesterday.

[zimpy27]

A Monday or Tuesday morning signing would be great. Signings on a Sunday football day make no sense for PR reasons. I'll guess Tuesday.

Yeah, that does make sense