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Post#141 » by skones » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:25 am

raferfenix wrote:
skones wrote:If Donte has a hot start, he's probably looking like a flat out better player than Bogdanovic.


giannis and 1 wrote:Thank god they rejected that.


So I’m glad we didn’t deal Donte + Hill + #24 for Oladipo. The health concerns just seem too dicey.

Being glad the Bogdan deal fell apart due to Donte’s potential is a bridge too far for me though. It reminds me of the cognitive dissonance trying to justify bailing on Brogdon.

Obviously hoping Donte proves the Bucks wrong for ever considering so many trades of him this offseason.


That's not what I said though, which is the issue. I think DDV becomes a better NBA player than Bogdanovic. He'll be more impactful throughout his career. With that being said, I don't think he reaches the creativity with the shot creation that Bogdanovic has (ie. the skill we need).
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Post#142 » by FlagsFlyForever » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:10 am

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leroyjw10 wrote:When can Conny be traded? Can we make tomorrow happen?

He's like our 5th best player though. This roster got gutted.

maybe you're just exaggerating but let's see Lopez>PC, Giannis>PC, Middleton>PC, Jrue>PC, DJA>PC,Craig>PC, Brin>PC, oh yeah donte>PC, probably both rookies>PC, heck NIK>PC. I'll give you PC>DJW

We can agree to disagree. Pat will give us useful minutes this year. I can say that with more confidence than I could about most of the players you listed outside of our big 4.
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Post#143 » by Istanbullus » Sun Nov 29, 2020 9:39 am

Anybody know what the Schroder deal would have been? Ersan, DJ and a first?
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Post#144 » by DrWood » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:57 pm

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buckboy wrote:
No. No we won't.

I think Bradley Beal is the most over-rated player on the Milwaukee Bucks RealGm board.



No DDV is by far

only one of the two plays defense.
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Post#145 » by DrWood » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:59 pm

soxperry wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Daver wrote:

No DDV is by far


Don't believe in stats eh?


Didnt watch the playoffs, huh?

yeah. . . because 5 games with backup minutes tells you everything about a player.
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Post#146 » by raferfenix » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:02 pm

Brutal reviews of our offseason here.

However, if Giannis happily signs the supermax and talks up how excited he is to play with Jrue (who also extends), then we still end up in a great spot.

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Who’s the biggest loser of the offseason so far?

Mahoney: When Milwaukee’s plans to acquire Bogdan Bogdanovic collapsed in strange and spectacular fashion, the Bucks missed out on what could have been the most complete starting lineup in basketball. Ersan Ilyasova, meanwhile, missed out on $7 million in salary that would have been guaranteed if he was traded to the Kings, lost his job when the Bucks subsequently waived him after the deal fell through, and has yet to pick up with any other team. It’s just a brutal turn of events for a journeyman role player, all set into motion because there was either a miscommunication regarding Bogdanovic’s interest in that particular arrangement or an underestimation of the league office where some clear tampering is concerned.


Devine: The Bucks’ front office. By all means, feel free to argue that having Jrue Holiday, D.J. Augustin, Bobby Portis, Bryn Forbes, and Torrey Craig is ultimately better than having Holiday, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and a bench stuffed with minimum-salaried second-round rookies. That may prove to be right! But the “how” of that happening—what looked to be a decisive double move that suddenly fell apart once everyone realized it was blatant tampering—doesn’t necessarily inspire confidence in the brain trust behind it. Nor does the fact that the front office tried to give Pat Connaughton a two-year, $8 million deal (which, given that he was unplayable in the playoffs, is probably already too much), found out that it couldn’t construct his contract that way under league rules, and then tacked on another year and $8 million more. And considering the galactic importance of ensuring that Giannis Antetokounmpo feels confident in putting the rest of his prime in the hands of the Bucks’ decision-makers … well, the sum total of it all just doesn’t seem like a great look, I don’t think.


Uggetti: The Bucks’ front office. I need some kind of oral history or documentary short on what exactly happened with Bogdan Bogdanovic, but I fear that whatever the full explanation is, it will not make the Bucks look better. They recovered decently enough, but that return for Jrue Holiday (who will undoubtedly make them better) still looms over everything. If Giannis signs the supermax extension, then it’s all moot. If he doesn’t, well, it will be nearly impossible to recover from these last few weeks.


What was the worst move?

Tjarks: Whatever happened with the Bogdan Bogdanovic sign-and-trade with the Bucks. Who even cares if a rule was broken? How can it be tampering if the player’s original team wants the deal to go through so they can get an asset out of it? If the league stepped in, the whole thing is a terrible look. The people who are bothered about tampering should be shunned from polite society.
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Post#147 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:05 pm

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Post#148 » by Daver » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:11 pm

Its funny everyone is blaming the FO when both articles i read all the bucks and kinds did was agree with the perspective players in the sign n trade and the bucks were waiting till friday to finalize a contract with bogdan before all the sh . hit the fan with silver.
Bucks never got the chance to discuss the salary part with bogdans agent cause of the tampering charges so both sides backed off.
How is this on horst the basic principle of the sign n trade was agreed upon n friday the bucks were going to negotiate the contract
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Post#149 » by Daver » Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:13 pm

Its funny everyone is blaming the FO when both articles i read all the bucks and kinds did was agree with the perspective players in the sign n trade and the bucks were waiting till friday to finalize a contract with bogdan before all the sh . hit the fan with silver.
Bucks never got the chance to discuss the salary part with bogdans agent cause of the tampering charges so both sides backed off.
How is this on horst the basic principle of the sign n trade was agreed upon n friday the bucks were going to negotiate the contract
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Post#150 » by Beorn » Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:15 am

According to his agent, Elijah Bryant declined an offer from the Bucks, electing to stay in Maccabi for the rest of the season
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Post#151 » by Coach Carter » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:36 pm

I think pacers like DDV and will eventually accept a deal for dipo (expiring) involving DDV. Brook would have to be included to make the contracts work. Yeh he's not as mobile as Turner but he's stronger. Turner can't defend someone like Embiid. Eventually he'll be moved. This will leave us naked at the 5 but I'm sure we can find a cheap replacement. Also incentive to go with Giannis at the 5, whilst we add another good guard an iso guy for the playoffs.
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Post#152 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:59 pm

Beorn wrote:According to his agent, Elijah Bryant declined an offer from the Bucks, electing to stay in Maccabi for the rest of the season


Makes sense. No chance to make the roster and Maccabi is already paying him.
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Post#153 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:02 pm

People thinking that Brook is replaceable have me wondering what the hell they've been watching the last 2 years.
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Post#154 » by machu46 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:11 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:People thinking that Brook is replaceable have me wondering what the hell they've been watching the last 2 years.


I think whoever replaces Brook would be a clear downgrade, but I'd rather be paying wings and go cheap at C than the other way around. I would not be in favor of a Brook + DDV for Oladipo move though. Definitely would be open to other potential possibilities, though we would have been much better off making the move prior to free agency/draft so that we could have scooped a cheap replacement. The pickings are much slimmer now which makes any Brook trade a lot less desirable IMO.

Edit: I would add that I think we continue to underutilize him on the offensive end. I think he could help us more there, particularly in the postseason, than we've seen these last two years. For example, whenever teams decide to put their C on Giannis, Brook should be feasting down low and Giannis should be utilized more as an off-ball cutter in those situations/as a drop-off guy if the defense sends help to Brook.
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Post#155 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:17 pm

I think Brook is replaceable but you better have a good plan in place. If the idea is to replace him and run the same **** it seems unlikely you're going to find that guy. If you want to change things, for example you no longer want to drop on ball screens (aside: why would you resign Pat if you want to change this?), then that opens it up and you have to move away from Brook.
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Post#156 » by jute2003 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:21 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:People thinking that Brook is replaceable have me wondering what the hell they've been watching the last 2 years.
They have a defensive system tailored around his strengths to make him look competent. He is big and slow and couldn't shoot worth a damn for most of last season.

He is replaceable. not with a vet min big off the street and they'd have to tweak the system but they could make it work without him.
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Post#157 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:27 pm

Lopez of the past 2 years is near irreplaceable for what we have available. The problem is at some point Lopez of today isn't that same Lopez. From an eye-test perspective, it looks like he has started a (hopefully) slow decline. He will be 33 in the playoffs so if we don't replace him this year, we need to at least replace some of his minutes next year.
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Post#158 » by raferfenix » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:28 pm

I have a hard time seeing the Bucks extending both Holiday and Oladipo if we were to acquire him.

Not enough shooting in the backcourt. And Oladipo's long-term health is just so risky even if he has a contract year push.

Rather I think the plan was to pick up one of them alongside a shooter like Bogdan.
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Post#159 » by buckboy » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:31 pm

Coach Carter wrote:I think pacers like DDV and will eventually accept a deal for dipo (expiring) involving DDV. Brook would have to be included to make the contracts work. Yeh he's not as mobile as Turner but he's stronger. Turner can't defend someone like Embiid. Eventually he'll be moved. This will leave us naked at the 5 but I'm sure we can find a cheap replacement. Also incentive to go with Giannis at the 5, whilst we add another good guard an iso guy for the playoffs.


This sounds completely and utterly terrible.
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Post#160 » by emunney » Mon Nov 30, 2020 3:44 pm

buckboy wrote:
Coach Carter wrote:I think pacers like DDV and will eventually accept a deal for dipo (expiring) involving DDV. Brook would have to be included to make the contracts work. Yeh he's not as mobile as Turner but he's stronger. Turner can't defend someone like Embiid. Eventually he'll be moved. This will leave us naked at the 5 but I'm sure we can find a cheap replacement. Also incentive to go with Giannis at the 5, whilst we add another good guard an iso guy for the playoffs.


This sounds completely and utterly terrible.


I'm intrigued by the thought of adding Oladipo for Brook, but it's hard to find a fit given we're hard capped and need to have at least 13 guys on the roster. We're at 14 and at least 3 would have to go out for Oladipo.
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