Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[SirChurros]

If the Bucks reneged out of spite, no free agent, draft pick, or anybody, ever again, would happily play for the Bucks.

We wouldn't do that. No sports organization would do that.

I'm not saying they would never trade him.

But what if we're two years into the five-year extension, have somehow fallen off a cliff and Giannis says he wants out? What incentive does the organization have to trade him right then and there? Giannis is going to net a massive return if and when he ever does request a trade, regardless of the number of years he'll have left on a deal. So, I guess I'm just failing to see what incentive the organization would have to pull the trigger on a deal the minute he says he's sick of Milwaukee.

[thonnisbeastley]

If I was Giannis, I'd take the money. If things don't work out next season, I'd give them one more season to revamp the entire roster and work towards a championship. By this I mean trading Middleton for multiple players, Bogdan level pieces, and using Jrue's cap space if he doesn't pickup his option to sign the best available FA's. If that doesn't work out, I demand a trade in the offseason. There...I have my money, I gave MIL multiple opportunities to put a team around me, we failed multiple times, now I'm gone.

How much money does he leave on the table by signing a 4 year max with someone after this season compared to re-signing? $75M?

The guy is going to tear his ACL eventually from one of those 8ft euro steps. Probably won't affect a future contract considering KD, but still..

[humanrefutation]

Has the front office offered Giannis a PS5, at least? And not the poor person's version without the optical drive.

He got one already. Lucky bastard.

[TD75]

If the Bucks reneged out of spite, no free agent, draft pick, or anybody, ever again, would happily play for the Bucks.

We wouldn't do that. No sports organization would do that.

I'm not saying they would never trade him.

But what if we're two years into the five-year extension, have somehow fallen off a cliff and Giannis says he wants out? What incentive does the organization have to trade him right then and there? Giannis is going to net a massive return if and when he ever does request a trade, regardless of the number of years he'll have left on a deal. So, I guess I'm just failing to see what incentive the organization would have to pull the trigger on a deal the minute he says he's sick of Milwaukee.

To add on that, what incentive does Giannis have to sign the supermax now, given that he can sign it at the end of the season? A whole season would give him more information on how the core of Khris, Giannis and Jrue could work which I guess is important.

[crkone]

If the Bucks reneged out of spite, no free agent, draft pick, or anybody, ever again, would happily play for the Bucks.

We wouldn't do that. No sports organization would do that.

I'm not saying they would never trade him.

But what if we're two years into the five-year extension, have somehow fallen off a cliff and Giannis says he wants out? What incentive does the organization have to trade him right then and there? Giannis is going to net a massive return if and when he ever does request a trade, regardless of the number of years he'll have left on a deal. So, I guess I'm just failing to see what incentive the organization would have to pull the trigger on a deal the minute he says he's sick of Milwaukee.

To add on that, what incentive does Giannis have to sign the supermax now, given that he can sign it at the end of the season? A whole season would give him more information on how the core of Khris, Giannis and Jrue could work which I guess is important.

Signing now gives him at least a season free of "Is he signing/requesting a trade?" questions.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If the Bucks reneged out of spite, no free agent, draft pick, or anybody, ever again, would happily play for the Bucks.

We wouldn't do that. No sports organization would do that.

I'm not saying they would never trade him.

But what if we're two years into the five-year extension, have somehow fallen off a cliff and Giannis says he wants out? What incentive does the organization have to trade him right then and there? Giannis is going to net a massive return if and when he ever does request a trade, regardless of the number of years he'll have left on a deal. So, I guess I'm just failing to see what incentive the organization would have to pull the trigger on a deal the minute he says he's sick of Milwaukee.

To add on that, what incentive does Giannis have to sign the supermax now, given that he can sign it at the end of the season? A whole season would give him more information on how the core of Khris, Giannis and Jrue could work which I guess is important.

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

[LUKE23]

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

Jrue is not extending here without knowing Giannis is staying. There is zero way to sugarcoat this, but we are absolutely DONE as a franchise for at least a decade if Giannis doesn't sign the supermax. Between the lack of trade assets and lack of draft capital due to the Holiday trade, to just casually pass this off as "nobody holds us hostage" like we have a choice in the matter is crazy. This is the best player we have had since Lew. It took us 45 years to get to this point since he was traded. Everything, and I mean literally everything hinges on him signing. The odds of us getting another player as good as him even in our lifetimes is slim as hell.

[StickeeFingaz]

According to Windy, Bucks plan to meet with Giannis within the next few days. I can't imagine the Bucks and/or Giannis want to go into "media week" (12/1 - 12/5) without the contract signed. The only questions asked will be about Giannis and the supermax.

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

Jrue is not extending here without knowing Giannis is staying. There is zero way to sugarcoat this, but we are absolutely DONE as a franchise for at least a decade if Giannis doesn't sign the supermax. Between the lack of trade assets and lack of draft capital due to the Holiday trade, to just casually pass this off as "nobody holds us hostage" like we have a choice in the matter is crazy. This is the best player we have had since Lew. It took us 45 years to get to this point since he was traded. Everything, and I mean literally everything hinges on him signing. The odds of us getting another player as good as him even in our lifetimes is slim as hell.

if he doesnt sign hes out of here. its literally that easy. and if we traded for jrue without a full assurance then fire everybody else in the room too.

jrue, giannis, middleton, brook are going to get assets. are they worth what we gave up with the picks? of course they are. in retrospect should we have traded for jrue without giannis 100% committing? no its one of the dumbest moves in the history of sport. it doesnt mean you make more dumb moves because of that sunk cost tho. at some point you you cut bait and try to get 9 picks and some youth back for this roster he doesnt think is good enough to win with which of course is idiotic and all you need to know too

[BucksRule18]

I'm not saying they would never trade him.

But what if we're two years into the five-year extension, have somehow fallen off a cliff and Giannis says he wants out? What incentive does the organization have to trade him right then and there? Giannis is going to net a massive return if and when he ever does request a trade, regardless of the number of years he'll have left on a deal. So, I guess I'm just failing to see what incentive the organization would have to pull the trigger on a deal the minute he says he's sick of Milwaukee.

To add on that, what incentive does Giannis have to sign the supermax now, given that he can sign it at the end of the season? A whole season would give him more information on how the core of Khris, Giannis and Jrue could work which I guess is important.

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

I agree. Horst pretty much gambled our entire future on the Jrue deal. If this was done without Giannis's consent to sign the supermax deal this year, it was a massive massive gamble. Let's put it this way, if Giannis plays out the season and the Bucks don't win a championship, they'll likely still be a top 5 regular season finisher, hence a low first round draft pick in 2021. If both Giannis and Jrue leave the team next year in free agency and the Bucks fall off a cliff, then our future draft picks will look something like this:

2021 - 25th to 30th pick
2022 - 1st round pick conveyed to Cleveland
2023 - High lottery pick
2024 - High lottery pick conveyed to NO in exchange for pick in the early 20's (assuming NO gets better with all their assets).
2025 - No picks
2026 - See 2024.
2027 - No picks.

Sure, we could trade Middleton to get a high first round pick back, but nowhere near what we gave up for Jrue. The Bucks will likely keep fighting for that 8th spot every year just so they don't look so incompetent about losing so many high lottery picks. I have zero faith with us landing anyone in free agency either, outside of overpaying for slow centers like Monroe or Lopez.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

Jrue is not extending here without knowing Giannis is staying. There is zero way to sugarcoat this, but we are absolutely DONE as a franchise for at least a decade if Giannis doesn't sign the supermax. Between the lack of trade assets and lack of draft capital due to the Holiday trade, to just casually pass this off as "nobody holds us hostage" like we have a choice in the matter is crazy. This is the best player we have had since Lew. It took us 45 years to get to this point since he was traded. Everything, and I mean literally everything hinges on him signing. The odds of us getting another player as good as him even in our lifetimes is slim as hell.

and if the league goes full world wrestling federation with team buddy superstar its all out of our control anyway. at least deal him for some **** picks and young guys so we can follow a decent minor league team like the other 20 teams in this league like us

[LUKE23]

If Giannis is leaving you are trading Holiday as an expiring contract that some team is only guaranteed for 30 games. We would get 10 cents on the dollar compared to what we gave up.

I don't think Giannis is leaving, but they are absolutely done if he does.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

If Giannis is leaving you are trading Holiday as an expiring contract that some team is only guaranteed for 30 games. We would get 10 cents on the dollar compared to what we gave up.

I don't think Giannis is leaving, but they are absolutely done if he does.

it would be more than 10 cents. but if we didnt trade him somewhere else then we get zero cents

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

we clear brook, middleton, giannis, jrue for picks, young cats and bad money there would be a damn bidding war. sure we lose a couple of our own picks but in a couple years our books are clean and maybe wed have something fun to watch.

what CAN NOT HAPPEN is we play out this year after neither guy extends, which means they are going to leave, and be left with nothing but brook and middleton and no assets. that would be armageddon

[BucksRule18]

If Giannis is leaving you are trading Holiday as an expiring contract that some team is only guaranteed for 30 games. We would get 10 cents on the dollar compared to what we gave up.

I don't think Giannis is leaving, but they are absolutely done if he does.

In all honesty, if Giannis does not sign the max deal and hints that he's not signing it at all by the trade deadline, I'm not exactly sure we can get a boatload of lottery draft picks for him at that point. The worst teams in the league will not gamble their future to rent Giannis for half a season, while the contenders will only be willing to part with draft picks in the mid 20's. Golden State may offer us Klay (after 2 major surgeries), Winston and the 2021 Minnesota pick, which is likely as good as it gets.

[WRau1]

Rebuilding without our picks would suck but it could be done. Likely not with this front office but we could get assets for Giannis, Jrue, Middleton and Lopez then manage our cap to take on contracts for picks. We would likely hang around 7th-10th seed depending on who we got for Giannis.

[BucksRule18]

we clear brook, middleton, giannis, jrue for picks, young cats and bad money there would be a damn bidding war. sure we lose a couple of our own picks but in a couple years our books are clean and maybe wed have something fun to watch.

what CAN NOT HAPPEN is we play out this year after neither guy extends, which means they are going to leave, and be left with nothing but brook and middleton and no assets. that would be armageddon

It would be Armageddon anyway. Getting back 3 or 4 picks in the mid 20's for Giannis does not even come close to what we potentially gave up for Jrue. In all honesty, at that point I may just ride out the season and see what happens in the playoffs. This may be our last opportunity to win a championship for the next generation.

[SirChurros]

To add on that, what incentive does Giannis have to sign the supermax now, given that he can sign it at the end of the season? A whole season would give him more information on how the core of Khris, Giannis and Jrue could work which I guess is important.

if he doesnt sign he needs to go immediately on the trade block. we invested in jrue... if its not good enough fine but we should never let ANY player hold us hostage. to me it would be absolutely moronic to invest in a clown show season thats more about where giannis goes next then winning a title this year. were offering the richest sports contract in history. theres nothing left to figure out.

I agree. Horst pretty much gambled our entire future on the Jrue deal. If this was done without Giannis's consent to sign the supermax deal this year, it was a massive massive gamble. Let's put it this way, if Giannis plays out the season and the Bucks don't win a championship, they'll likely still be a top 5 regular season finisher, hence a low first round draft pick in 2021. If both Giannis and Jrue leave the team next year in free agency and the Bucks fall off a cliff, then our future draft picks will look something like this:

2021 - 25th to 30th pick
2022 - 1st round pick conveyed to Cleveland
2023 - High lottery pick
2024 - High lottery pick conveyed to NO in exchange for pick in the early 20's (assuming NO gets better with all their assets).
2025 - No picks
2026 - See 2024.
2027 - No picks.

Sure, we could trade Middleton to get a high first round pick back, but nowhere near what we gave up for Jrue. The Bucks will likely keep fighting for that 8th spot every year just so they don't look so incompetent about losing so many high lottery picks. I have zero faith with us landing anyone in free agency either, outside of overpaying for slow centers like Monroe or Lopez.

I don't think losing those picks is that big of a deal if we end up trading Giannis. He's going to recoup a lot of what was lost in any trade as far as picks go.

[bango_the_buck]

With training camp starting, I expect we will know if he's signing by tomorrow.

[RogerMurdock]

Look, it's easy. If Giannis doesn't re-sign, you trade him for whatever. With the truckload of money you save with him off the books, you buy up the entire second round of the draft for multiple years. Then you package second round picks for first round picks. Then you package first round picks for better first round picks. Just like that, you have a king's ransom of top-five picks until both my kids graduate college. I can then watch the Bucks win championships from the comfort of the play room we will have converted into a luxury media room.