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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#741 » by celticfan42487 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:32 pm

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Ernest wrote:He had one game last year where he looked really good. Like NBA backup, 6th or 7th man someday really soon good. Can't remember against who but then he didn't get a lot more chances and didn't really show it again. I hope he can get a stretch to see what he can do.


That's one game more than Edwards. I would keep one or the other between Waters and Edwards, or release Green for Edwards. I would like Green's spot to go toward another vet wing.


Edwards had an 8 made 3 pointers quarter last year. Mostly off the dribble and in Tre Young range.

That's at least as much of a tease.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#742 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:46 pm

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Ernest wrote:He had one game last year where he looked really good. Like NBA backup, 6th or 7th man someday really soon good. Can't remember against who but then he didn't get a lot more chances and didn't really show it again. I hope he can get a stretch to see what he can do.


That's one game more than Edwards. I would keep one or the other between Waters and Edwards, or release Green for Edwards. I would like Green's spot to go toward another vet wing.


Edwards had an 8 made 3 pointers quarter last year. Mostly off the dribble and in Tre Young range.

That's at least as much of a tease.


We were fooled. Preseason vs the Cavs. Just gotta hope he can hit some now that he's year 2. We could use multiple heaters off the bench.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#744 » by leper-con » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:49 pm

lets hope NEsmith can have Hero like season because we cannot afford to wait two years on this guy.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

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Post#746 » by leper-con » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:11 pm

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Wow, this guys careers is over already?
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#747 » by Parliament10 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:16 pm

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Wow, this guys careers is over already?

I was just saying that, in the Turner Thread.
I mean, he just turned 32 last month. This is a pretty early retirement.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#748 » by Deivork » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:20 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:I think there's a definite sense of disapoontment with this offseason. For good reason. But if you take a step back, we are as good/better than the team we made last year's playoff run with. It may be only marginally better, but still...

Our starting 5 of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Theis proved effective last playoffs. Thompson is a big upgrade over Kanter just by virtue of being a good enough defender to play. Teague should be able to replicate what Wanamaker brought to the table (better in some areas, tradeoff in others). Semi is back so that baseline production is back, even if no one is excited by it. Grant and Rob Williams got meaningful run and both are back. The only thing we've lost from last year's playoff run is the hobbled version of Hayward we got for a couple of games at the end.

We have a whole unit of 1st round picks to try out: Pritchard / Langford / Nesmith / G Williams / R Williams. I'd like to see if any of them can really emerge as full time, consistent rotation pieces. All of them have the talent/draft status where that's a reasonable hope/expectation. I'm not saying that they need to

I hope we generate a TPE for Hayward, but before we go rushing to use it, I'd like to go at least through the deadline and see what happens with that group of talented youngsters first. We can assess our team needs and best way to us the TPE from there.

If some/all of them flop/fail to continue development then we can use the TPE to try and fill in the gaps. If no one emerges on the wing then we can target that positon. If there's a lock of a good PF option you can target that. If Teague ends up being washed and Pritchard sucks you can go for a backup PG. Just roll with the punches.

But, if some/all of those guys really emerge, then we might need to pursue any depth player(s) at all. Instead, you stash it for next year and pursue big names. For instance, Jrue Holiday would have hypothetically fit into the Hayward TPE if we had it this year. Lt's pretend there's a player like that available next year. We can use the TPE to offer up total salary relif and then package some combination of those young players and picks.

Or look at what OKC did this year. They've collected tons of assets by taking on salary. If our young players emerge to where we have a good bench, then we can try to use the TPE to generate future assets that way.

I think the TPE should be relatively inexpensive to make happen and it opens up a ton of possibilities, even if it doesn't bear any fruit right away.


THANK YOU! Making some good sense of the offseason. Really agree on the TPE assessment.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#749 » by playa-hater » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:22 pm

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Wow, this guys careers is over already?


LOL, was scrolling down and saw Evan Turner joining Boston and I said NOOOOOO!!! then scrolled a little more as a coach.. feels like I dodged a Bullet. :D
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#750 » by playa-hater » Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:25 pm

Deivork wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:I think there's a definite sense of disapoontment with this offseason. For good reason. But if you take a step back, we are as good/better than the team we made last year's playoff run with. It may be only marginally better, but still...

Our starting 5 of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Theis proved effective last playoffs. Thompson is a big upgrade over Kanter just by virtue of being a good enough defender to play. Teague should be able to replicate what Wanamaker brought to the table (better in some areas, tradeoff in others). Semi is back so that baseline production is back, even if no one is excited by it. Grant and Rob Williams got meaningful run and both are back. The only thing we've lost from last year's playoff run is the hobbled version of Hayward we got for a couple of games at the end.

We have a whole unit of 1st round picks to try out: Pritchard / Langford / Nesmith / G Williams / R Williams. I'd like to see if any of them can really emerge as full time, consistent rotation pieces. All of them have the talent/draft status where that's a reasonable hope/expectation. I'm not saying that they need to

I hope we generate a TPE for Hayward, but before we go rushing to use it, I'd like to go at least through the deadline and see what happens with that group of talented youngsters first. We can assess our team needs and best way to us the TPE from there.

If some/all of them flop/fail to continue development then we can use the TPE to try and fill in the gaps. If no one emerges on the wing then we can target that positon. If there's a lock of a good PF option you can target that. If Teague ends up being washed and Pritchard sucks you can go for a backup PG. Just roll with the punches.

But, if some/all of those guys really emerge, then we might need to pursue any depth player(s) at all. Instead, you stash it for next year and pursue big names. For instance, Jrue Holiday would have hypothetically fit into the Hayward TPE if we had it this year. Lt's pretend there's a player like that available next year. We can use the TPE to offer up total salary relif and then package some combination of those young players and picks.

Or look at what OKC did this year. They've collected tons of assets by taking on salary. If our young players emerge to where we have a good bench, then we can try to use the TPE to generate future assets that way.

I think the TPE should be relatively inexpensive to make happen and it opens up a ton of possibilities, even if it doesn't bear any fruit right away.


THANK YOU! Making some good sense of the offseason. Really agree on the TPE assessment.


I think most can agree that this off-season gets an incomplete grade until we see what happens with the TPE. But at least there is hope!!
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#752 » by jfs1000d » Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:23 pm

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Wow, this guys careers is over already?

He’s 31/32. Probably wants to move on with his life and had an opportunity.


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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#753 » by Ernest » Tue Dec 1, 2020 4:19 am

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leper-con wrote:
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Wow, this guys careers is over already?

He’s 31/32. Probably wants to move on with his life and had an opportunity.


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MAYBE.... As someone who always wanted to play in the NBA but was never good enough (like everyone here I suspect) I can't imagine anyone not holding on as long as they possibly could. My guess is that no one wanted him right now and his agent said, well you can probably get a camp invite somewhere and fight for a spot, if you don't make a team, you can play in China and hope to get picked up by a team near the end of the season.

I wonder if we reached out to him or he reached out to us. Def unexpected. But, I've been saying we needed more of a vet presence for a while and we also should bring some players back to have more consistency. This does that.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#754 » by SMTBSI » Tue Dec 1, 2020 6:56 am

Ernest wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
leper-con wrote:Wow, this guys careers is over already?

He’s 31/32. Probably wants to move on with his life and had an opportunity.

As someone who always wanted to play in the NBA but was never good enough (like everyone here I suspect) I can't imagine anyone not holding on as long as they possibly could.

You never know what's going on in someone's life. Maybe he's already waking up every morning with a bunch of pains and figures he has enough money and is going to preserve what's left of his body.

He just more than tripled his lifetime earnings on his last contract. Perhaps he had already accepted that he was never going to get a payday like that, so when he did, it just felt like being "set", and he didn't feel like giving up the last of his body to scrape out a couple mil more.

All wild guesses, obviously.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason Thread 

Post#755 » by cl2117 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 10:20 am

Deivork wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:I think there's a definite sense of disapoontment with this offseason. For good reason. But if you take a step back, we are as good/better than the team we made last year's playoff run with. It may be only marginally better, but still...

Our starting 5 of Kemba/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Theis proved effective last playoffs. Thompson is a big upgrade over Kanter just by virtue of being a good enough defender to play. Teague should be able to replicate what Wanamaker brought to the table (better in some areas, tradeoff in others). Semi is back so that baseline production is back, even if no one is excited by it. Grant and Rob Williams got meaningful run and both are back. The only thing we've lost from last year's playoff run is the hobbled version of Hayward we got for a couple of games at the end.

We have a whole unit of 1st round picks to try out: Pritchard / Langford / Nesmith / G Williams / R Williams. I'd like to see if any of them can really emerge as full time, consistent rotation pieces. All of them have the talent/draft status where that's a reasonable hope/expectation. I'm not saying that they need to

I hope we generate a TPE for Hayward, but before we go rushing to use it, I'd like to go at least through the deadline and see what happens with that group of talented youngsters first. We can assess our team needs and best way to us the TPE from there.

If some/all of them flop/fail to continue development then we can use the TPE to try and fill in the gaps. If no one emerges on the wing then we can target that positon. If there's a lock of a good PF option you can target that. If Teague ends up being washed and Pritchard sucks you can go for a backup PG. Just roll with the punches.

But, if some/all of those guys really emerge, then we might need to pursue any depth player(s) at all. Instead, you stash it for next year and pursue big names. For instance, Jrue Holiday would have hypothetically fit into the Hayward TPE if we had it this year. Lt's pretend there's a player like that available next year. We can use the TPE to offer up total salary relif and then package some combination of those young players and picks.

Or look at what OKC did this year. They've collected tons of assets by taking on salary. If our young players emerge to where we have a good bench, then we can try to use the TPE to generate future assets that way.

I think the TPE should be relatively inexpensive to make happen and it opens up a ton of possibilities, even if it doesn't bear any fruit right away.


THANK YOU! Making some good sense of the offseason. Really agree on the TPE assessment.

I agree with the start of it, but I think it's the wrong approach with the TPE.

If our guys on rookie contracts end up not being able to contribute in a meaningful enough way, I don't think we take the TPE and see what kind of guys we can add for it to bolster the roster this season. It'd be a waste given that our bench is already so thin. I think you stash it for the off-season and just let the chips fall where they may this season and aim for maximum flexibility.

Alternatively if the young guys emerge, then I think it makes sense to start trying to leverage their value and the TPE to bring in a really impactful piece and make a genuine run at it this year. If Langford/Timelord/Grant drum up enough interest we could get a vet piece more ready to contribute that fits into that TPE.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#756 » by LewisnotMiller » Tue Dec 1, 2020 1:39 pm

Ernest wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
leper-con wrote:

Wow, this guys careers is over already?

He’s 31/32. Probably wants to move on with his life and had an opportunity.


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MAYBE.... As someone who always wanted to play in the NBA but was never good enough (like everyone here I suspect) I can't imagine anyone not holding on as long as they possibly could. My guess is that no one wanted him right now and his agent said, well you can probably get a camp invite somewhere and fight for a spot, if you don't make a team, you can play in China and hope to get picked up by a team near the end of the season.

I wonder if we reached out to him or he reached out to us. Def unexpected. But, I've been saying we needed more of a vet presence for a while and we also should bring some players back to have more consistency. This does that.


Mighta just been a perfect transition plan for him if coaching is the way he wants to go.

The choice gets easier to reconcile if it's 'play in China, hope to get a callup, start a coaching career next year' vs 'stay close to home and get a coaching job with the Celts'.

I still play ball, and love it, but I've coached quite a bit recently, and I really enjoy that too.
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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#757 » by UNCBlue012 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 1:43 pm

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#758 » by klemen4 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 1:58 pm

With Kemba and Langford out for first month imo it would be smart to go with

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#759 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:15 pm

After spending two minutes online reading on stem cell injections for the knee, I am now an expert and of the utmost confidence that Kemba will return 98.7% healthy before the All-Star Break. No long-term side effects. That knee will hold up until his contract is up.

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Re: Official Celtics 2020-21 Offseason/Preseason Thread 

Post#760 » by Triple7 » Tue Dec 1, 2020 2:26 pm

That Kemba knee is really troublesome. He barely played in almost a year. No surgeries, just rehab? Wtf! That will be a chronic problem moving forward.
Good thing the rookie might get a lot of burn.

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