Trade Talk (Part Five)

[SO_MONEY]

Also a Bulls fan suggested

Markannen for Culver
I suggested Markannen for Okogie + Nowell

We might not be able to afford Markannen next year when he gets paid, but if he stayed healthy (big if), he’d start this season.

I would trade Okogie for him, not Nowell or Culver.

[KGdaBom]

Also a Bulls fan suggested

Markannen for Culver
I suggested Markannen for Okogie + Nowell

We might not be able to afford Markannen next year when he gets paid, but if he stayed healthy (big if), he’d start this season.

Unless Markannen's game has fallen apart that sounds great for us getting him for Culver. Let's make the deal now.

[Jedzz]

Culver for Markannen is fine. You are losing player control over time with Culver but who cares. Rosas can just move Markannen or Hernangomez at the deadline if he wants. I think those two might be kind of redundant but if that's the type of players he wants, then it's depth creation. Maybe ask for a second round pick back? idk, still think he wants Juancho starting and owning that role.

[IceManBK1]

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Are we one of the teams?

Culver+Okogie+2nd rder.

[Jedzz]

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Are we one of the teams?

Culver+Okogie+2nd rder.

Maybe you missed what they turned down in Portland's offer.

[Neeva]

Portland got a way better and cheaper player anyway in Roco. The magic gm is delusional.

[jscott]

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Are we one of the teams?

Culver+Okogie+2nd rder.

Maybe you missed what they turned down in Portland's offer.

I don’t think we know Portland’s offer technically. The report I saw was that they turned down an offer with similar pieces. Doesn’t mean all of those pieces necessarily.

They could have preferred a trade for Gordon because he was cheaper to acquire (asset wise) than RoCo and when that well dried up (or maybe when ORL asked for too much) they decided “if that’s the cost, I’d rather spend that for Covington.”

I’m not saying you’re wrong but there are a lot of possibilities about how that discussion/decision played out. You may be entirely right though. I just haven’t read anything more telling than that vague tweet early on.

[Jedzz]

Portland got a way better and cheaper player anyway in Roco. The magic gm is delusional.

I don't know that he's completely delusional. There must be a reason people here want him, or ten teams have shown interest if that's true.

I don't think Gordon has played to his potential and question whether this team could get him there or not. So I don't mind throwing lowballs at him. But I'm not surprised they are trying to get more.

[Jedzz]

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Are we one of the teams?

Culver+Okogie+2nd rder.

Maybe you missed what they turned down in Portland's offer.

I don’t think we know Portland’s offer technically. The report I saw was that they turned down an offer with similar pieces. Doesn’t mean all of those pieces necessarily.

They could have preferred a trade for Gordon because he was cheaper to acquire (asset wise) than RoCo and when that well dried up (or maybe when ORL asked for too much) they decided “if that’s the cost, I’d rather spend that for Covington.”

I’m not saying you’re wrong but there are a lot of possibilities about how that discussion/decision played out. You may be entirely right though. I just haven’t read anything more telling than that vague tweet early on.

It sounds like you have a good pulse on this. Better than I've got. I think I just posted a tweet I read a week ago like a parrot might without realizing.

[shangrila]

Portland got a way better and cheaper player anyway in Roco. The magic gm is delusional.

I don't know that he's completely delusional. There must be a reason people here want him, or ten teams have shown interest if that's true.

I don't think Gordon has played to his potential and question whether this team could get him there or not. So I don't mind throwing lowballs at him. But I'm not surprised they are trying to get more.

It's probably a situation where Orlando sees the amount of teams that are interested and think they can use that to drum up his value, but everyone else is, like you, only comfortable lowballing for him.

And it makes sense. He's a big risk, as someone who's not a great shooter or individual scorer I do think it would take the right offensive system to get the most out of him. Personally I think that's us, as he's got some playmaking potential that we could use (think what James Johnson was doing) and we generate significantly more open 3s than Orlando does, which he doesn't shoot too bad on (38% IIRC).

The issue now is matching salaries. Rubio works but I think his veteran leadership is too important to give up. You could do Beasley+Laymon or Davis and maybe that's the play depending on how the other wings have grown or do develop during the season (thinking if JO/JC have a reliable shot and Edwards is ready right out the gate. It's unlikely but possible).

[SO_MONEY]

Portland got a way better and cheaper player anyway in Roco. The magic gm is delusional.

I don't know that he's completely delusional. There must be a reason people here want him, or ten teams have shown interest if that's true.

I don't think Gordon has played to his potential and question whether this team could get him there or not. So I don't mind throwing lowballs at him. But I'm not surprised they are trying to get more.

It's probably a situation where Orlando sees the amount of teams that are interested and think they can use that to drum up his value, but everyone else is, like you, only comfortable lowballing for him.

And it makes sense. He's a big risk, as someone who's not a great shooter or individual scorer I do think it would take the right offensive system to get the most out of him. Personally I think that's us, as he's got some playmaking potential that we could use (think what James Johnson was doing) and we generate significantly more open 3s than Orlando does, which he doesn't shoot too bad on (38% IIRC).

The issue now is matching salaries. Rubio works but I think his veteran leadership is too important to give up. You could do Beasley+Laymon or Davis and maybe that's the play depending on how the other wings have grown or do develop during the season (thinking if JO/JC have a reliable shot and Edwards is ready right out the gate. It's unlikely but possible).

Beasley is better than Gordon as far as I am concerned, ORL would need to add.

[old school 34]

I don't know that he's completely delusional. There must be a reason people here want him, or ten teams have shown interest if that's true.

I don't think Gordon has played to his potential and question whether this team could get him there or not. So I don't mind throwing lowballs at him. But I'm not surprised they are trying to get more.

It's probably a situation where Orlando sees the amount of teams that are interested and think they can use that to drum up his value, but everyone else is, like you, only comfortable lowballing for him.

And it makes sense. He's a big risk, as someone who's not a great shooter or individual scorer I do think it would take the right offensive system to get the most out of him. Personally I think that's us, as he's got some playmaking potential that we could use (think what James Johnson was doing) and we generate significantly more open 3s than Orlando does, which he doesn't shoot too bad on (38% IIRC).

The issue now is matching salaries. Rubio works but I think his veteran leadership is too important to give up. You could do Beasley+Laymon or Davis and maybe that's the play depending on how the other wings have grown or do develop during the season (thinking if JO/JC have a reliable shot and Edwards is ready right out the gate. It's unlikely but possible).

Beasley is better than Gordon as far as I am concerned, ORL would need to add.

I do think all the interested parties are at a reduced price to see if they could resurrect him? Which would make sense....gotta think Orlando is extremely close to over playing their hand here trying to max out value for him. They finished 8 last year...stayed the same or got worse. Leap frogged in the East most likely by Atlanta and Wizards (after Westbrook trade)...really could be even money with Chicago & Charlotte for the 10 spot? Trade deadline @ the absolute latest if he's going to get any kind of value & it's dropping fast....not sure that him even coming out like gangbusters gets them what they've been rumored to be asking for?

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[Note30]

But yeah. Markannen > Hernangomez.

Zach is infinitely better than Beasley. Its not even close. If you don't see that you are nuts.

Basically anything Thibs did was trash.

I can't think of a single good decision he made during his entire tenure here.

Ok Hoss. Maybe you should compare his winning record here to everyone before him. I suppose that counts for nothing with you.

The player comparisons...those are on you. I'm not even touching that, ...trash.

iM nOt eVeN tOuChiNg tHaT.

Thibs only averaged a sub .500 (.474) record here.

The coaches before him were Adelman (.424), one season of Smitch who did 4 games worse than Thibs first season, and Flip who is the best coach MIN has had at well above .500.

Thibs wasn't some great coach I'm **** on here. Without Rose & Noah his career would have been over long ago.

[Mamba4Goat]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

[Neeva]

Definitely trade Malik. I think Josh can be signed to a new team friendly deal. Jarrett and Antman can still
Improve their value and are still under team
control for longer. On the other hand I am not sure I can trust Malik’s off court behaviour eventhough he works hard and can be a stud on the court :/ If the wolves can get a decent first rounder in 2022 or 2021 for Beasley or a starting forward, I would definitely trade him.

[shrink]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

If all these things happened, MIN would have six NBA starting guards on the team. I think since MIN isn’t a free agent destination, they need to keep the ones who have the most upside. Rubio will help develop the youth and is the best complimentary player, and Russell is KAT’s buddy and expensive, so they are givens. I think the trade order goes

Beasley, Okogie, Culver, Edwards.

6. Rosas may have invested a 1st to get Beasley’s RFA rights to have tradable salary. I think a 40% three point shooter (if Beasley is one) is nice, but not critical - we need players who will be guarded out to the three point line.

5. 4. Okogie is beloved, but he is a year closer to being fairly paid. He may also be behind Culver since Rosas selected Culver.

3. Edwards has star upside, and we have the most years of team control.

EDIT: as I look at it, this is also the order I expect even without the improvements you present. Beas, Okogie, Culver, Rubio, Edwards, Russell. I personally would push Russell far up in the order, but I don’t think it’s realistic.

[minimus]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

If all these things happened, MIN would have six NBA starting guards on the team. I think since MIN isn’t a free agent destination, they need to keep the ones who have the most upside.

In playoffs MIA had five NBA starting guards: Butler, Herro, Duncan, Nunn, Iggy. We have Okogie, Culver, Beasley, Edwards, Nowell. MIA guards (except Nunn) have a proven NBA skills, while our guys are mostly unproven. So I think that we should keep them as long as they keep improving and we can afford to pay them or until a good trade opportunity comes. I agree that a trade to bring here a Aaron Gordon type of wing is needed, but all our guards can improve significantly, so I hate to say it, but we need to wait.

[Klomp]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

If Beasley became a plus defender on top of being basically a 40% 3-point shooter, that contract becomes a major plus. I would personally trade him though, because I believe star 2s need a little more on-ball ability than he's shown. Use him to get Booker though!

[wolves_89]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

I see no chance of Russell getting moved and Rubio/Edwards are likely only available in a trade for an established star level talent. I think Beasley is the first to get moved for a few reasons. First, he is the only one out of Beasley/Culver/Okogie with the salary that can come close to matching the type of guys I would imagine the Wolves are interested in trading for. Second, Beasley's shooting is an elite level skill that is in extremely high demand, so his trade value could very well surpass his actual on court production. Finally, his off-court issues add a level of risk the Wolves would probably be willing to exchange for a less risky guy of a similar talent level.

[Note30]

If Josh Okogie improves to an average three point shooter, Culver builds some confidence and improves as a shooter in a simpler role, Beas improves to be a plus defender (that added muscle may be enough), and Ant is legit...who would you guys ideally trade and who would you keep?

If Beasley became a plus defender on top of being basically a 40% 3-point shooter, that contract becomes a major plus. I would personally trade him though, because I believe star 2s need a little more on-ball ability than he's shown. Use him to get Booker though!

You dream big Klomp?

What would be your plan for Booker?