NBA Trade Thread #2

[Andi Obst]

I don't think you can use that trade as a measure. Milwaukee was desperate and acted like it.

Okay, kind of fair, then look at the AD deal. Davis could have left a year after the trade and the entire world knew he was going to end up with the Lakers, yet the Pelicans got a significantly better deal than the one the Rockets get for Harden in this proposed deal.

You don't get superstar players for some rotation level guys and a terrible pick, even if they act like children to get what they want (and AD certainly did too).

[weneeda2guard]

I like the idea of helping facilitate the harden to Brooklyn deal and us getting Dinwiddie out of that circumstance.

[MGB8]

I like the idea of helping facilitate the harden to Brooklyn deal and us getting Dinwiddie out of that circumstance.

I don't think that trade would need facilitation. Houston would have to cut some players, but it has plenty of minimum salary and even non-guaranteed guys. Dinwiddie is movable for assets if Houston really wants - but he's also a hedge on John Wall getting injured again or just plain sucking.

Now, if the Bulls wanted to get Harden (which I'm torn about, but think that there's about a 1% chance Donovan and AK would be interested - not the culture that they are going for)... I do think that they could beat Brooklyn's offer.

A bunch of picks along with Lavine, Porter's expiring, Hutchinson and, say, WCJ (a young player still under contract for a bit who also serves as a Cousins injury or FA departure hedge, could fit with the versatile Wood) - for Harden, Tucker, House...

If I were Houston, I would definitely prefer that over an injured LeVert, a needing-to-get-paid Allen, a Dinwwiddie with a P/O next season (so he's also going to want a raise, absent injury) and pretty decent contract but middling playing so far (and often injured) LeVert (plus dead financial weight in two years of overpaying Taurean Prince).

[samwana]

I like the idea of helping facilitate the harden to Brooklyn deal and us getting Dinwiddie out of that circumstance.

me too, but I don't think that is an option for either.

I don't want to have anything to do with Harden on our team though now that we finally managed to get the old FO gone, I don't want to be hamstrung with a contract like Harden. I can't see him wanting to be here either.

[Nate3carp]

I like the idea of helping facilitate the harden to Brooklyn deal and us getting Dinwiddie out of that circumstance.

I think the only way we're asked to help is help BKN get a high upside young player (Coby, Lauri, PatWill) to put in the trade. I highly doubt they need Porter or Thad to complete the deal.

[sco]

I like the idea of helping facilitate the harden to Brooklyn deal and us getting Dinwiddie out of that circumstance.

I think the only way we're asked to help is help BKN get a high upside young player (Coby, Lauri, PatWill) to put in the trade. I highly doubt they need Porter or Thad to complete the deal.

Getting Dinwiddie for any of Lauri, Otto, Thad and/or Sato would be a net add to the team, IMO.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Dinwiddie is fools gold, we dont need him, with Coby and Lavine in team. Sato is better than he showed last year, for bench pg he is ok. There is two right ways for Bulls, fight for playoffs with this core and add superstar next year in fa or sell all veterans at deadline, including Lavine and go hard tank for Cunningham or Green.

[Red8911]

F*** no.

James Harden led teams aren't winning s***.

I'd rather try building and developing a winner.

Lol that's funny. He might not have won a ring but he's led his team to 2 WCF's, a 65 win season, multiple 50 win seasons. Is he Bron or Steph or Kawhi? No but he's a winner. And the West is hard. He lost to 2 championship Warriors teams. It's like saying Barkley or Malone weren't winners. Lot's of great players don't have a ring.

We'd be extremely lucky to have the success of Harden's Rockets teams.

He might not have won a ring? He hasn't and will not win a ring with his style of play.

If you want that sort of "success" that's fine but I want more than just being in the playoffs.

So basically what you want is what Gar/Pax has been doing with building through the draft? No, if a player like Harden is available you try to get him. If AK isn’t trying to get him right now then he’s an idiot.

Hardens style of play may be annoying but again he’s a top player in this league, also he eventually would bring another star here too. This is how you build a championship team and what the bulls currently have highest ceiling is an 8th seed. With Harden he could lead you to top 2-3 in the east without a doubt.

[boozapalooza]

Lol that's funny. He might not have won a ring but he's led his team to 2 WCF's, a 65 win season, multiple 50 win seasons. Is he Bron or Steph or Kawhi? No but he's a winner. And the West is hard. He lost to 2 championship Warriors teams. It's like saying Barkley or Malone weren't winners. Lot's of great players don't have a ring.

We'd be extremely lucky to have the success of Harden's Rockets teams.

He might not have won a ring? He hasn't and will not win a ring with his style of play.

If you want that sort of "success" that's fine but I want more than just being in the playoffs.

So basically what you want is what Gar/Pax has been doing with building through the draft? No, if a player like Harden is available you try to get him. If AK isn’t trying to get him right now then he’s an idiot.

Hardens style of play may be annoying but again he’s a top player in this league, also he eventually would bring another star here too. This is how you build a championship team and what the bulls currently have highest ceiling is an 8th seed. With Harden he could lead you to top 2-3 in the east without a doubt.

We should be all in on Harden imo. We need a star player and he would arguably be the best free agent in next years class, aside from Giannis. He hasn’t gotten a ring yet but won plenty of games in Houston. Not sure he would be willing to come here but we could sell him on us having room for another max player next offseason.

Otto, Lavine, Hutch, and a 2021 top-5 protected 1st for Harden

[PlayerUp]

I guess it depends on how pissy Harden gets about his demand. I think 1, maybe 2 picks from BKN at most. Levert is a Lavine level player. Porter is a decent starter and expiring, and I think Allen has a lot of potential.

Yeah, no way it's only 2 picks. Jrue freaking Holiday just cost the Bucks 2 unprotected picks + 2 pick swaps and he can just decide to leave next summer if he wants to. Harden is infinitely better than Holiday and under contract for at least 2 more years.

LeVert is one of the most overrated assets in the NBA IMO (by fans at least). Pretty bad injury history, hasn't been efficient as a scorer to this point of his career and not a high-level creator for others. He's also not super young. Meh. Porter is worthless to their future. Allen is nice but as a role player only + he might become expensive next summer. I'm not even listening to that offer if I'm Houston.

Would have gladly done this deal for Lavine.

[weneeda2guard]

Dinwiddie is fools gold, we dont need him, with Coby and Lavine in team. Sato is better than he showed last year, for bench pg he is ok. There is two right ways for Bulls, fight for playoffs with this core and add superstar next year in fa or sell all veterans at deadline, including Lavine and go hard tank for Cunningham or Green.

As a team we are not talented enough to run teams off the floor. We may be good enough to keep many games close. With that said a lot of success this season will hinge on whether or not we can win close games down the stretch of games. Hopefully coby and lavine are much better with better coaching but as I see it, our youth is going to hurt us a lot in close games. Dinwiddie would have helped that. A smart ball handler who makes good plays down the stretch of games and hits big shots. We still as of right now need that greatly. As talented as coby and lavine are they could still be a total mess down the stretch of close games.

[erasmusmrr]

How about Otto and Felico and 2021 and 2023 unprotected for Harden. We don't lose anybody important. Those picks would be lousy. Houston may, at some point, just want to get rid of him. May want the unprotected picks and hope Harden gets hurt....

[Dez]

How about Otto and Felico and 2021 and 2023 unprotected for Harden. We don't lose anybody important. Those picks would be lousy. Houston may, at some point, just want to get rid of him. May want the unprotected picks and hope Harden gets hurt....

Houston send hitmen to Chicago for offering that.

[sco]

How about Otto and Felico and 2021 and 2023 unprotected for Harden. We don't lose anybody important. Those picks would be lousy. Houston may, at some point, just want to get rid of him. May want the unprotected picks and hope Harden gets hurt....

Houston send hitmen to Chicago for offering that.

Dude. Nobody sends hitmen to Chicago...they're already there. But they work for our guys!

Seriously though, Harden is only going to a contender. That said, I see a repeat of the AD debacle coming on the deal - although NO made out pretty well in that deal.

[MisterRoy]

If we were to go after Harden, I think it's Lavine, Porter, Carter and 2 FRPs. They would need to include filler but that's it.

Then, we surround Harden with 3-and-D wings, a stretch 4 and a tall center that can rebound and catch lobs. He is going to be a one-man-show. That's what he has shown in Houston. No other stars survive with him.

That said, keep him away from our team.


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[DuckIII]

If we were to go after Harden, I think it's Lavine, Porter, Carter and 2 FRPs. They would need to include filler but that's it.

Then, we surround Harden with 3-and-D wings, a stretch 4 and a tall center that can rebound and catch lobs. He is going to be a one-man-show. That's what he has shown in Houston. No other stars survive with him. I

That said, keep him away from our team.


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I was reading your post and the bile started to climb the back of my throat until I got to the end there.

[weneeda2guard]

i think the goal in getting harden would be add some good pieces around him this season then hope to clear enough space for next off season to add another star or quality role players.

harden like westbrook, are still top talents in the league what they need next to them is floor generals who can make smart high iq plays down the stretch of games. if harden gets that he will win a title. if westbrook gets that he will get a title. the problem is both of them have been convinced they are in fact these players that need the ball in their hands down the stretch of games and we see it go to crap. if either of them could play on the side of rondo they would reach the finals.

but i dont think the harden route is realistic. westbrook was realistic. harden wants to go to a contender. it would take houston saying screw harden feelings take the best deal but unfortunately i dont think we have the best package either.

[DuckIII]

Hardens style of play may be annoying but again he’s a top player in this league, also he eventually would bring another star here too.

I admit I hate James Harden’s game and don’t want him anywhere near any team I root for. I won’t even watch Bulls/Rockets games because I consider what he does to be dangerous for the health of basketball. He might even be a sneaky plant by Roger Goodell to long-game destroy the watchability of the NBA.

But I realize I can’t make any sort of objective argument that he would not significantly improve the Bulls win total and ability to advance at least somewhat in the playoffs.

However, he is one superstar that we absolutely cannot assume will attract another superstar.

[LateNight]

Besides him being terrible to watch, these are all great reasons not to want Harden on your team:

James Harden has had the right to say who comes and goes in Houston for essentially the whole time he's [been] there," said Tim MacMahon on the Brian Windhorst podcast. "He wanted Dwight Howard and then he wanted Dwight Howard gone. Chris Paul, then Chris Paul gone. Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook gone. He wanted Kevin McHale out and McHale was gone. We can go on down the list.

"Like a lot of superstars, he had the right to say what the travel schedule was going to be. He determined the practice schedule. Got a couple days off, 'Well, James wants to go to Vegas, so you're not going to practice that day.'

People complained that Jimmy was a diva because he wanted other guys to practice harder - but they think this stuff is OK?

Link: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260776/James-Harden-Adds-Bucks-Heat-To-Trade-List

[Chi town]

Besides him being terrible to watch, these are all great reasons not to want Harden on your team:

James Harden has had the right to say who comes and goes in Houston for essentially the whole time he's [been] there," said Tim MacMahon on the Brian Windhorst podcast. "He wanted Dwight Howard and then he wanted Dwight Howard gone. Chris Paul, then Chris Paul gone. Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook gone. He wanted Kevin McHale out and McHale was gone. We can go on down the list.

"Like a lot of superstars, he had the right to say what the travel schedule was going to be. He determined the practice schedule. Got a couple days off, 'Well, James wants to go to Vegas, so you're not going to practice that day.'

People complained that Jimmy was a diva because he wanted other guys to practice harder - but they think this stuff is OK?

Link: https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260776/James-Harden-Adds-Bucks-Heat-To-Trade-List

Player empowerment gone wild.