TheNewEra wrote:Forte IV wrote:I honestly think Kennard should start at PG and have Pat come off the bench
That’s a pretty big hit defensively
Are We Having Fun Yet?madmaxmedia wrote:esqtvd wrote:James2000 wrote:I wonder about Terrence mann and if he would be our pg in the future. I think that he might be in the process of developing
I like T-Mann a lot but he's already 24. When a rookie can't make the team as at least the 15th man, you're just not talking starter material. You're in Yogi Ferrell territory, who went undrafted but still made it to the NBA by age 23 and has hung around since as a marginal rotation player.
I think T-Mann can manage that much because he has an NBA body [6'5" next to Yogis 6'], but he shot under 33% on 3s and his assist-to-TO ratio was only about 2-1--and that was only in G-League.
I'd love to see T-Mann crack the back of the rotation as a combo guard but I don't think these win-or-else Clippers can afford to invest any serious PG PT in him. The Clippers gave him a guaranteed contract because it looked like we were in rebuild mode but that's all over now. He showed more aptitude at the point than Shamet did but neither played much PG in college and it showed.
I mean, Shai played only one year of college but by age 20 he was already starting in the NBA. And I dunno if even he is cut out for PG--he seems more like a 2.
Yeah unfortunately this is a pretty good take on Terence Mann. The only thing I'll say in his favor is that he is a legitimate NBA PG prospect at 6'6" which has value or at least potential. But that's why he may be able to stick around in the NBA at all, not what will make him an All-Star or anything. He was a good 2nd round find for us.
James2000 wrote:madmaxmedia wrote:esqtvd wrote:
I like T-Mann a lot but he's already 24. When a rookie can't make the team as at least the 15th man, you're just not talking starter material. You're in Yogi Ferrell territory, who went undrafted but still made it to the NBA by age 23 and has hung around since as a marginal rotation player.
I think T-Mann can manage that much because he has an NBA body [6'5" next to Yogis 6'], but he shot under 33% on 3s and his assist-to-TO ratio was only about 2-1--and that was only in G-League.
I'd love to see T-Mann crack the back of the rotation as a combo guard but I don't think these win-or-else Clippers can afford to invest any serious PG PT in him. The Clippers gave him a guaranteed contract because it looked like we were in rebuild mode but that's all over now. He showed more aptitude at the point than Shamet did but neither played much PG in college and it showed.
I mean, Shai played only one year of college but by age 20 he was already starting in the NBA. And I dunno if even he is cut out for PG--he seems more like a 2.
Yeah unfortunately this is a pretty good take on Terence Mann. The only thing I'll say in his favor is that he is a legitimate NBA PG prospect at 6'6" which has value or at least potential. But that's why he may be able to stick around in the NBA at all, not what will make him an All-Star or anything. He was a good 2nd round find for us.
To be honest with you, I think that he could be an all star. I think that he is a late bloomer. With us having coaches develop these young players, especially Chauncey Billups working with him directly, I would say that he has a great chance to be a great player. I would compare him to kyle Lowery. Remember, he wasn't the great player that he was in Toronto. He was moved around alot like from the Grizzlies, and etc. It takes time for players to mature. I mean if he put in the hard work, he will be good.
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esqtvd wrote:James2000 wrote:madmaxmedia wrote:
Yeah unfortunately this is a pretty good take on Terence Mann. The only thing I'll say in his favor is that he is a legitimate NBA PG prospect at 6'6" which has value or at least potential. But that's why he may be able to stick around in the NBA at all, not what will make him an All-Star or anything. He was a good 2nd round find for us.
To be honest with you, I think that he could be an all star. I think that he is a late bloomer. With us having coaches develop these young players, especially Chauncey Billups working with him directly, I would say that he has a great chance to be a great player. I would compare him to kyle Lowery. Remember, he wasn't the great player that he was in Toronto. He was moved around alot like from the Grizzlies, and etc. It takes time for players to mature. I mean if he put in the hard work, he will be good.
I hope you're right, but you is what you is. Kyle Lowry was a late bloomer as a starter but he was still getting 20 mpg by age 21.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lowryky01.html
esqtvd wrote:TheNewEra wrote:Forte IV wrote:I honestly think Kennard should start at PG and have Pat come off the bench
That’s a pretty big hit defensively
FYI--per 36 minutes [2020]
Beverley: 4.9 assists/1.8 TOs/38.8% 3-pt
Kennard: 4.5 assists/1.7 TOs/39.9% 3-pt
LZ Granderson wrote:I asked Lue why the team didn’t go after a more traditional point guard to help organize them into set plays to offset the shooting struggles of Leonard and George.
He said they don’t need one.
“When you have great players, you don’t necessarily need a traditional point guard,” he said. “We need Patrick Beverly’s energy and toughness; it’s infectious. I love what he does for his team. You get a guy wth zero points and zero shots and he’s happy because the team won. You can’t find those guys.”
Lue explained that he used multiple guys to launch the offense when he was with the Cavaliers. He is confident Leonard and George, as well as Beverly, will be able to do the same. It’s more important, he said, that there is communication on the court and accountability off it. The latter has been a popular subject this offseason, as reports circulated of preferential treatment for the team’s star players last season.
PerkinsFor3 wrote:Man, Ky Bowman is a really good signing and I expected more teams to jump on him. He can pass, he can shoot/score (maybe up his selection a bit) and he's an underrated man to man defender. He's a bit undersized, but makes up for it with some grit. Needs to take better care of the ball, but should have a bit more space to operate with Kawhi and PG on the floor. Hard to polay if LouWill is on the court as well, though.
Are We Having Fun Yet? Quake Griffin wrote:Oh boy.
Still buying into the ra ra from Pat Bev? Still acting like his "energy" means anything.
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Vae Victus wrote:Combo guards with some playmaking would be a help at this time as well. PatBev is truly a limited player, and its annoying how he cashed out perfectly at the right time only to regress back to what he always was. An oft injured, midget, with limited game, and a bigass mouth. Kennard might just work out as a spot PG, but with his knees, i dont want him chasing around super quick players if i can help it.
og15 wrote:Vae Victus wrote:Combo guards with some playmaking would be a help at this time as well. PatBev is truly a limited player, and its annoying how he cashed out perfectly at the right time only to regress back to what he always was. An oft injured, midget, with limited game, and a bigass mouth. Kennard might just work out as a spot PG, but with his knees, i dont want him chasing around super quick players if i can help it.
The contract was okay, just a bit over MLE, a little overpay, but nothing wild. I'm actually still confused as to why many Clippers fans expected more from him. I discussed with other Clippers fans that he's an injury prone player, his defense is good in spurts, but CP was an overall higher impact defensive player, and he's not a real PG.
So I don't understand why people expected him to be more than that. He's a high energy guard who is a decent ball handler, decent passer, good spot up shooter, generally above average to good defensive player, and his actual best skill as a guard is rebounding for a guard, mainly offensive rebounding, and his spot up shooting, both useful skills, certainly. He has no pull-up game, he's not a slasher, so offensively, there's only so much he can do as an initiator. He's like the better version of Delladova, though Delladova is probably a better passer.
He couldn't even stay on the floor. 
Are We Having Fun Yet? og15 wrote:Sure, those are good role player numbers, but it was just a 6 game and one series sample size. Games 1-4, he averaged 7.8 ppg / 5.0 rpg/ 4.3 apg while shooting 36% FG / 41% 3PT.
Game 5 he had 17/14/4 on 46.2% FG(6/13) / 45.5% 3PT (5/11) shooting and game 6 he had 11/14/7 on 66.7% FG (4/6) / 50% 3PT (1/2) shooting.
Bev is good for what he is, secondary ball handler, hit his three's, give energy on defense, grab rebounds, foul a good amount (averages 4.5 fouls/36 for his playoff career), get some technical fouls. I think expecting more from him than that is what causes disappointment.
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