NBA Trade Thread #2

[Kukoc-Lauri]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

[sco]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

People like me think Lauri is a good, but never-gonna-be-great, player (i.e. a 4th quartile starting PF with 2nd quartile upside). I don't mind keeping him, but I think that 4th quartile starters are worth the MLE (~$10M per year) and I don't think he'll take that amount. If we don't have him next season, we can free-up enough for 2 MAX salaries. So the Lauri decision gets muddied by the opportunity cost of keeping him, costing us a MAX-level FA. There's no guarantee that a Kyrie/KD situation materializes, but I like the idea of having a good shot, just in case.

[jStuNNa]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

C'mon... there's absolutely no basis to your assertion that Lauri isn't wanted here because he's white or European. I, and every Bulls fan on this board, would trade the entire team for Luka Doncic. Race and nationality have nothing to do with the frustrations regarding Lauri.

As Billy Donovan inferred, Lauri is a one dimensional offensive player that is too often too easy to defend. No one is saying that Lauri isn't a decent NBA player but the Bulls need more than that right now.

[nitetrain8603]

I posted this in the general board, but I wonder if the Bulls should get behind this:

I wonder if a three way deal makes more sense. Rockets just traded for John Wall. I'm assuming the Rockets want picks as they would be beginning a tear down as well as short term deals. If I'm Kyrie, I'm young enough that I'm willing to wait out a season or 2 for a team that is on the cusp and where I have my own team. Probably attract a few more stars.

I wonder if a deal like this makes sense:
Nets Receive:
James Harden
This is obvious as to why. Pair up Harden and KD. Don't have to worry about a third wheel and you don't have to gut your team around those two.

Starting Lineup:
Dinwiddie
Harden
LaVert
Durant
Allen

Bulls Receive:
Kyrie Irving + DeAndre Jordan
Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They have Zach LaVine already. I don't see a way Patrick Williams (if he pans out) and Lauri Markannen can co-exist as I see Williams more as a 4. Bulls can then go ahead and try to attract Giannis next summer.

Starting Lineup:
Irving
LaVine
Hutchinson
Williams (eventually, but probably Thad Young for now)
Carter Jr

Rockets Receive:
Lauri Markannen
Otto Porter Jr
Cristian Felicio
2023 unprotected 1st round pick from the Bulls or 2 Top 3 protected picks from the Bulls

Starting Lineup:
Wall
Gordon
Porter Jr
Markannen
Cousins

Hopefully Wall and Cousins ball out as well so that you can flip one of those guys too in a later deal.

[DroseReturnChi]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

C'mon... there's absolutely no basis to your assertion that Lauri isn't wanted here because he's white or European. I, and every Bulls fan on this board, would trade the entire team for Luka Doncic. Race and nationality have nothing to do with the frustrations regarding Lauri.

As Billy Donovan inferred, Lauri is a one dimensional offensive player that is too often too easy to defend. No one is saying that Lauri isn't a decent NBA player but the Bulls need more than that right now.

Nope. theres absolutely has to do with him being European and judging most posters are from the US they will have stereotypes and prejudices which are already shown by most anti Lauri guys. Since Lauri doesnt have major weakness, they keep making weird accusations like his defense is bad and slow footed. Any comptent GM would take Lauri over Lavine, White if forced to choose one bc the latter two have fatal flaws in their game. The fact that every major Bulls players was on trade discussions except Lauri proves my point. Borderline untouchable esp after comments he will sign basically Steph Curry hometown discount when fox, tatum is getting max.

If you cant see if a player is just bad or victim of a horrible system, your just a terrible talent evaluator. Modern NBA is about postionless basketball collecting guys above 6'8 who can do multiple things at once. Hence why Lauri, Williams will be the cornerstone not those midgets. Whoever collects the most Siakam, Simmons types will win.

[sco]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

C'mon... there's absolutely no basis to your assertion that Lauri isn't wanted here because he's white or European. I, and every Bulls fan on this board, would trade the entire team for Luka Doncic. Race and nationality have nothing to do with the frustrations regarding Lauri.

As Billy Donovan inferred, Lauri is a one dimensional offensive player that is too often too easy to defend. No one is saying that Lauri isn't a decent NBA player but the Bulls need more than that right now.

Nope. theres absolutely has to do with him being European and judging most posters are from the US they will have stereotypes and prejudices which are already shown by most anti Lauri guys. Since Lauri doesnt have major weakness, they keep making weird accusations like his defense is bad and slow footed. Any comptent GM would take Lauri over Lavine, White if forced to choose one bc the latter two have fatal flaws in their game. The fact that every major Bulls players was on trade discussions except Lauri proves my point. Borderline untouchable esp after comments he will sign basically Steph Curry hometown discount when fox, tatum is getting max.

If you cant see if a player is just bad or victim of a horrible system, your just a terrible talent evaluator. Modern NBA is about postionless basketball collecting guys above 6'8 who can do multiple things at once. Hence why Lauri, Williams will be the cornerstone not those midgets. Whoever collects the most Siakam, Simmons types will win.

Well you should be happy that the decision maker isn't from the U.S. and doesn't subscribe to the stereotypes.

Just to clarify, you are saying Lauri's defense isn't a "major weakness"?

[jStuNNa]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

C'mon... there's absolutely no basis to your assertion that Lauri isn't wanted here because he's white or European. I, and every Bulls fan on this board, would trade the entire team for Luka Doncic. Race and nationality have nothing to do with the frustrations regarding Lauri.

As Billy Donovan inferred, Lauri is a one dimensional offensive player that is too often too easy to defend. No one is saying that Lauri isn't a decent NBA player but the Bulls need more than that right now.

Nope. theres absolutely has to do with him being European and judging most posters are from the US they will have stereotypes and prejudices which are already shown by most anti Lauri guys. Since Lauri doesnt have major weakness, they keep making weird accusations like his defense is bad and slow footed. Any comptent GM would take Lauri over Lavine, White if forced to choose one bc the latter two have fatal flaws in their game. The fact that every major Bulls players was on trade discussions except Lauri proves my point. Borderline untouchable esp after comments he will sign basically Steph Curry hometown discount when fox, tatum is getting max.

If you cant see if a player is just bad or victim of a horrible system, your just a terrible talent evaluator. Modern NBA is about postionless basketball collecting guys above 6'8 who can do multiple things at once. Hence why Lauri, Williams will be the cornerstone not those midgets. Whoever collects the most Siakam, Simmons types will win.

The Euro stereotype has no relevance here. I agree it exists... I think it was a reason Doncic wasn't the #1 overall pick in his draft class. It was so clear that his talent was on another level. That's the not the case with Lauri though. If anything, people overvalued him initially with all the comparisons to Dirk.

I don't believe Lauri is as bad as he was last season, but I don't necessarily believe he has the potential to be a legitimate #2 option on a good team. In that regard, he's certainly not at LaVine's level, who is capable of that.

If Lauri was a pure PF or C, then I don't think we're even having this conversation. The reason people really question his fit is his inability to matchup well defensively with quicker PFs or stronger centers. He's stuck in the middle and I'm not sure there's much physically he can do about it.

You say that the modern NBA is positionless and about collecting tall guys who can do multiple things. What are the multiple things Lauri has shown he can do consistently so far? All he's shown is that he can shoot from distance at a slightly above mediocre level (35% from 3). What else does he do? He doesn't attack off the dribble... he doesn't post up. He's not an elite rebounder or great passer. You're making the case for a player like Jokic or Horford, and Lauri is no where near that. He's not even at Gallinari's level yet.

[MisterRoy]

I posted this in the general board, but I wonder if the Bulls should get behind this:

I wonder if a three way deal makes more sense. Rockets just traded for John Wall. I'm assuming the Rockets want picks as they would be beginning a tear down as well as short term deals. If I'm Kyrie, I'm young enough that I'm willing to wait out a season or 2 for a team that is on the cusp and where I have my own team. Probably attract a few more stars.

I wonder if a deal like this makes sense:
Nets Receive:
James Harden
This is obvious as to why. Pair up Harden and KD. Don't have to worry about a third wheel and you don't have to gut your team around those two.

Starting Lineup:
Dinwiddie
Harden
LaVert
Durant
Allen

Bulls Receive:
Kyrie Irving + DeAndre Jordan
Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They have Zach LaVine already. I don't see a way Patrick Williams (if he pans out) and Lauri Markannen can co-exist as I see Williams more as a 4. Bulls can then go ahead and try to attract Giannis next summer.

Starting Lineup:
Irving
LaVine
Hutchinson
Williams (eventually, but probably Thad Young for now)
Carter Jr

Rockets Receive:
Lauri Markannen
Otto Porter Jr
Cristian Felicio
2023 unprotected 1st round pick from the Bulls or 2 Top 3 protected picks from the Bulls

Starting Lineup:
Wall
Gordon
Porter Jr
Markannen
Cousins

Hopefully Wall and Cousins ball out as well so that you can flip one of those guys too in a later deal.

I think Irving would have the same impact on our team as Harden. I think we need more team style players. The way Durant existed in Golden State, that's what I want for our team.

I know he and Green had their issues, but he co-existed with Steph and Klay really well.


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[sco]

I posted this in the general board, but I wonder if the Bulls should get behind this:

I wonder if a three way deal makes more sense. Rockets just traded for John Wall. I'm assuming the Rockets want picks as they would be beginning a tear down as well as short term deals. If I'm Kyrie, I'm young enough that I'm willing to wait out a season or 2 for a team that is on the cusp and where I have my own team. Probably attract a few more stars.

I wonder if a deal like this makes sense:
Nets Receive:
James Harden
This is obvious as to why. Pair up Harden and KD. Don't have to worry about a third wheel and you don't have to gut your team around those two.

Starting Lineup:
Dinwiddie
Harden
LaVert
Durant
Allen

Bulls Receive:
Kyrie Irving + DeAndre Jordan
Bulls are trying to make the playoffs. They have Zach LaVine already. I don't see a way Patrick Williams (if he pans out) and Lauri Markannen can co-exist as I see Williams more as a 4. Bulls can then go ahead and try to attract Giannis next summer.

Starting Lineup:
Irving
LaVine
Hutchinson
Williams (eventually, but probably Thad Young for now)
Carter Jr

Rockets Receive:
Lauri Markannen
Otto Porter Jr
Cristian Felicio
2023 unprotected 1st round pick from the Bulls or 2 Top 3 protected picks from the Bulls

Starting Lineup:
Wall
Gordon
Porter Jr
Markannen
Cousins

Hopefully Wall and Cousins ball out as well so that you can flip one of those guys too in a later deal.

I think Irving would have the same impact on our team as Harden. I think we need more team style players. The way Durant existed in Golden State, that's what I want for our team.

I know he and Green had their issues, but he co-existed with Steph and Klay really well.


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My dream for inserting us into a BK/Hou deal would be to try to use Otto and/or Lauri plus filler (i.e. Val, Sato, Thad, Gafford, Hutch) to nab Levert. White/Lavine/Levert/PWill/WC could be a scary team. But honestly, I would love Dinwiddie or Allen nearly as much.

[MisterRoy]

We need players that put teams in a position where they have to think about who they are going to leave to double-team another player. We don't have that. If the other team doubles Lavine, that's kind of it. They don't have to be concerned with someone else scoring.

Maybe Coby can be that guy, or one of them.


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[Kukoc-Lauri]

Otto Porter Jr to Boston for trade exception and Semi Ojele and Waters. Ainge have fetish for two way huge wings. We got rid of Porter and take chance of solid pg prospect g league Mvp Waters and Ojele is big forward who can defend a little bit. Most important they are availabe to play.

[Ccwatercraft]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

People like me think Lauri is a good, but never-gonna-be-great, player (i.e. a 4th quartile starting PF with 2nd quartile upside). I don't mind keeping him, but I think that 4th quartile starters are worth the MLE (~$10M per year) and I don't think he'll take that amount. If we don't have him next season, we can free-up enough for 2 MAX salaries. So the Lauri decision gets muddied by the opportunity cost of keeping him, costing us a MAX-level FA. There's no guarantee that a Kyrie/KD situation materializes, but I like the idea of having a good shot, just in case.

I still think there's a chance that we don't have two Max slots because sato and maybe even young might end up being worth keeping depending on who exactly is available and at what price. Sato especially at 10 vs throwing away 5 might make sense.

[sco]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

People like me think Lauri is a good, but never-gonna-be-great, player (i.e. a 4th quartile starting PF with 2nd quartile upside). I don't mind keeping him, but I think that 4th quartile starters are worth the MLE (~$10M per year) and I don't think he'll take that amount. If we don't have him next season, we can free-up enough for 2 MAX salaries. So the Lauri decision gets muddied by the opportunity cost of keeping him, costing us a MAX-level FA. There's no guarantee that a Kyrie/KD situation materializes, but I like the idea of having a good shot, just in case.

I still think there's a chance that we don't have two Max slots because sato and maybe even young might end up being worth keeping depending on who exactly is available and at what price. Sato especially at 10 vs throwing away 5 might make sense.

I am coming around already on punting cap space to 2022 because the FA door is already essentially closed for the superstars. So keeping their salaries make make some sense. I was also thinking about overpaying Lauri on a 2yr (2nd year team option) to manage risk and capspace.

[Ccwatercraft]

People like me think Lauri is a good, but never-gonna-be-great, player (i.e. a 4th quartile starting PF with 2nd quartile upside). I don't mind keeping him, but I think that 4th quartile starters are worth the MLE (~$10M per year) and I don't think he'll take that amount. If we don't have him next season, we can free-up enough for 2 MAX salaries. So the Lauri decision gets muddied by the opportunity cost of keeping him, costing us a MAX-level FA. There's no guarantee that a Kyrie/KD situation materializes, but I like the idea of having a good shot, just in case.

I still think there's a chance that we don't have two Max slots because sato and maybe even young might end up being worth keeping depending on who exactly is available and at what price. Sato especially at 10 vs throwing away 5 might make sense.

I am coming around already on punting cap space to 2022 because the FA door is already essentially closed for the superstars. So keeping their salaries make make some sense. I was also thinking about overpaying Lauri on a 2yr (2nd year team option) to manage risk and capspace.

Based on that premise then it would make more sense to take on salary, even 2 years worth at the deadline and just plan on MLE or whatever for 2021, go for it now, because eventually we have to lock down the core and start writing some big checks on rookies coming up (assuming we want them of course) and fill in the gaps with trades or exceptions or minimums.

Basically its very difficult to build a legit team without going over the cap and heading into, if not over LT territory. I assume/hope that Ak and BD had this discussion with the man behind the checkbook and they plan on doing so.

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Dont want to take to much from preaseason game, but i have seen enough. We need changes imo. Best mutual interest is trading Lavine for him and the Bulls. I personally only like few players from this roster for the future Pat Williams, Lauri as starting forwards, Coby White as sg or 6 manand Dotson,Mokoka,Gafford as third stringers. Best for Zach is trade to contender, for package young player, frp and filler. If Sixers offer us Thybulle,Korkmaz,Reed, Mike Scott and future frp i would do that deal. Our answer at pointguard off the future is Cade Cunningham or Jalen Suggs. Consolation prize Green,Mobley,Kumminga sounds good to. White is shooter and scorer, his driblling is way to high, his vision is suspect and he just doesnt have feel for passing and you can't teach that or train. I hate that we spend 9,5 mil for Valentine and Temple. Just don't like their games and faces (that is not strictly bball, but those two are just u..ly m...f..ers). If we want to compete this season i would also look for pg help G.Hill,Rubio,Mills. Wendell Carter, Chandler Hutchinson, Tomas Satoransky for George Hill, Lugentz Dort and Vasilije Micic is trade to consider also.

[sco]

Dont want to take to much from preaseason game, but i have seen enough. We need changes imo. Best mutual interest is trading Lavine for him and the Bulls. I personally only like few players from this roster for the future Pat Williams, Lauri as starting forwards, Coby White as sg or 6 manand Dotson,Mokoka,Gafford as third stringers. Best for Zach is trade to contender, for package young player, frp and filler. If Sixers offer us Thybulle,Korkmaz,Reed, Mike Scott and future frp i would do that deal. Our answer at pointguard off the future is Cade Cunningham or Jalen Suggs. Consolation prize Green,Mobley,Kumminga sounds good to. White is shooter and scorer, his driblling is way to high, his vision is suspect and he just doesnt have feel for passing and you can't teach that or train. I hate that we spend 9,5 mil for Valentine and Temple. Just don't like their games and faces (that is not strictly bball, but those two are just u..ly m...f..ers). If we want to compete this season i would also look for pg help G.Hill,Rubio,Mills. Wendell Carter, Chandler Hutchinson, Tomas Satoransky for George Hill, Lugentz Dort and Vasilije Micic is trade to consider also.

I would be fine trading Zach plus whatever non PWill player for a legit #1 option or likely top 5 pick, but short of that I am sticking with Zach. While I'm rooting for Lauri to become FebruLauri in the first half of the season, but barring the big improvement needed to get there, I think AK should see what he can get for Lauri and Otto at the deadline and take whatever he can get. I think White and Carter show if they are either starters or bench guys this season. PWill will likely be inserting in the starting line-up after the trade deadline. Hutch and Gafford are fringe rotation guys, but will be given plenty of chances to improve their stock this season.

While I'm anti-tanking, if sucking and flushing is what this season turns into and that gets us a top 5 pick, it is still not a wasted season. At least we won't have the bad coach excuse and we'll know for sure if we have trash or treasure, which is a big step forward. And look, I'm optimistic that at least one of White, Lauri or Carter will show he's a keeper (ie very good NBA starter) this season.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

People for some reason dont like Lauri (european, white, calm deminor) but i strongly disagree. We should absolutley look to locked him on reasonable deal longterm. We also ran Mirotic pre maturely imo. Lauri defintevly can be one of the better offensive bigs. Players similar to Lauri but with lesser ceeling were one of most wanted players in fa this year, like Galinari,Bertans. It is true he cannot create for himself but 95% pf/c cannot. Ad was deadly this year partially because Lebron and Rondo, Galo because Paul. Big man needs pg to set him up in most cases. Last years Bulls offense was something ugliest i have ever seen in a long time. Personally i dont want Harden and his off court drama, Lauri is family man devoted to bball and i appriciatte that. Player like Cade Cunningham would do wonders fir this team. Pat Williams needs time but he will end up being stud. Right approach plus athlethic gifts is usually perfect formula for success.

He's a 3 point specialist who isn't very good at shooting 3's. It's not hard to figure out why people don't like him.

[jStuNNa]

Dont want to take to much from preaseason game, but i have seen enough. We need changes imo. Best mutual interest is trading Lavine for him and the Bulls. I personally only like few players from this roster for the future Pat Williams, Lauri as starting forwards, Coby White as sg or 6 manand Dotson,Mokoka,Gafford as third stringers. Best for Zach is trade to contender, for package young player, frp and filler. If Sixers offer us Thybulle,Korkmaz,Reed, Mike Scott and future frp i would do that deal. Our answer at pointguard off the future is Cade Cunningham or Jalen Suggs. Consolation prize Green,Mobley,Kumminga sounds good to. White is shooter and scorer, his driblling is way to high, his vision is suspect and he just doesnt have feel for passing and you can't teach that or train. I hate that we spend 9,5 mil for Valentine and Temple. Just don't like their games and faces (that is not strictly bball, but those two are just u..ly m...f..ers). If we want to compete this season i would also look for pg help G.Hill,Rubio,Mills. Wendell Carter, Chandler Hutchinson, Tomas Satoransky for George Hill, Lugentz Dort and Vasilije Micic is trade to consider also.

The Bulls need to do what's in their best interest, not LaVine's. More than likely, it's going to be a contender looking for a third scorer, so Zach going to a good situation would probably work itself out anyways. But if a bottom feeder team comes calling with a package that blows all the others away, you take that. Zach is 25 with only two years left on his contract. He can sign with a contender in free agency then.

That being said, the Bulls need to be careful with what they do with Zach. As of now, not only is he the only player on the Bulls roster that has star potential, he's the only Bulls player besides Otto who is a legit starter. I wouldn't have said that two months ago, and maybe I'll take it back, but after two preseason games, the rest of the team is not convincing me otherwise... especially Lauri.

Instead of trading away the one star you have, you might want to hang on to him and build with him.

[dougthonus]

Nope. theres absolutely has to do with him being European and judging most posters are from the US they will have stereotypes and prejudices which are already shown by most anti Lauri guys. Since Lauri doesnt have major weakness, they keep making weird accusations like his defense is bad and slow footed.

His defensive numbers are very poor. Part of that is Lauri simply has very poor defensive basketball IQ (or perhaps is too slow to get to where he needs to be) and part is just how the game has changed by putting smaller, much faster players at the four where he is slow relative 6'8 athletic guys.

Any comptent GM would take Lauri over Lavine, White if forced to choose one bc the latter two have fatal flaws in their game.

What fatal flaws do those two have? It's hard to imagine any flaw you think those guys have that Lauri doesn't also share.

What are Lauri's actual strengths in the NBA?

Shooting? Not really. For his career, he hits the league average while taking only the easiest shots. Almost nothing off the dribble and the majority categorized as wide open. Its always theoretically been a strength, but in reality, it hasn't been one yet.

Tough pick setter? Help defender? Great rebounder? Shot blocker? Ball handling? Passing? Nope, Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.

He's a an empty calories volume scorer, a guy who can put points on the board only when someone else does most of the work to generate an open shot for him, but he doesn't contribute much to the offense outside of that and has to be hidden on defense.

The fact that every major Bulls players was on trade discussions except Lauri proves my point. Borderline untouchable esp after comments he will sign basically Steph Curry hometown discount when fox, tatum is getting max.

Good to know you are involved in all of the Bulls trade discussions to know who has been on the table. Especially impressive since AK/ME have put up a stone wall on pretty much all leaks. Lauri simply isn't remotely the same caliber player as Fox or Tatum which is why he will make less money. This isn't a "home town discount" this is a "less talented fair price".

If you cant see if a player is just bad or victim of a horrible system, your just a terrible talent evaluator. Modern NBA is about postionless basketball collecting guys above 6'8 who can do multiple things at once. Hence why Lauri, Williams will be the cornerstone not those midgets. Whoever collects the most Siakam, Simmons types will win.

Lauri is the antithesis of positionless basketball, he can guard, at most, one position, not all of them and on offense he isn't some multi-faceted player with a great all around game.

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Lauti for Culver or Lauri for Lonzo Ball . Doubt both teams would agree, but that's the type of deal I would look for.