The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

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Post#1301 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:37 pm

limbo wrote:Jrue is an inefficient scorer, a below average shooter and a good but not elite playmaker... His defense is good but as a guard he can't influence the defensive end of the court to any significant level against elite offensive teams, imo.

He's literally a safer version of Bledsoe, and mostly because Bledsoe is known as a Playoff choker, not because Jrue turns into something amazing in the PS...

Bucks are going to be great because they have a Top 5 player in the league and a good roster around him... but unless Giannis becomes a respectable shooter, they have more chance of losing to Philly than winning against the Lakers... And Jrue don't change that.


Jrue is genuinely one of the best defensive pick and roll guards in the league as well though, and has shown incredible ability to switch at times, 1-3

His bball index playmaking grades him out as top 10 iirc

Jrues been on the pels and has had one of the worst teams in terms of spacing in the nba, hes taking a step up since 2017, and his scoring was solid when he didnt have to carry too much of a load, and he'll be more effecient on the bucks.

Giannis problem isnt his shooting as much as its the teams inability to adjust to teams building a wall, somewhat his ability to pass out of drives, but most of it is a team based thing. Even when teams did it against us we made adjustments so bron and AD could have an easier time, its just brin seems to be able to make these team wide adjustments/he knows what to run when it happens, but any slashing star is gonna be effected like that.

What jrue adds is a very strong second method of attack, i watched the pels alot, jrue is amazing in the p and r.

The fact of the matter is

If the coaching staff has shown to learn from their mistakes in the past two yrsrs, theyre a 70 win level team. If not theyll flame out again. They didnt get unlicky against the heat they got outcoached, and if they go with that same strategy they wont make the finals

If they make the adjustments they have to make theyll be a high 60s-70 win level team. If they make those adjustments wed still be the favorites but saying theyre more likely to lose to a 6th-8th seed vs us is dillusional

Im higher on how good we can be than you are probably, but you cant just imagine none of the other teams can compete whatsoever, the clippers

Bledsoe has constantly dissapointed in the playoffs, Jrue hasnt had many runs but his last one he completely outduelled lillard

His d wont effect us as much thankfully but lets not act like hes a minor upgrade on bledsoe lol, hes a top 3 defensive guard, a decent scorer in the situation he was in given those around him the past 3 years, and a great intelligent passer

Jrue gets underrated but ive watched him alot, as a second best player hes one of the best options you could have in the league, he doesnt fix their problems but those problems can be fixed independant of giannis
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Post#1302 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Dec 14, 2020 2:54 pm

Heres another way to appreciate the depth of this team

Clippers roster post all star

Beverly/Lou
Shamet/Temple
Shai/JamGreen
Gallanari/Wilson Chandler
Zubac/Harrell

Schroder/Caruso
KCP/THT
Matthews/Dudley
Kuzma/Morris
Gasol/Harrell

Except Harrell with us has better D (was arguably their best player post all star break)

I wouldnt say we are blatantly better but I like our Pg, Center, and SG (if tucker pans out) rotation more

(I also forgot to slot in kcp in the last post lol)

That clippers team when the trades were done and they had that roster finished 17-7 on a fairly difficult schedule, 58 win pace, pushed the warriors to 6 with doc as their coach

Caruso=Beverly
(beverly better offense caruso better defense)
Schroder>Lou (defense)
Kcp>Shamet
THT>Temple (probably)
Shai>Matthews (but not for their roles)
Jamychal>Dudley
Gallo>Kuz
Morris>Chandler
Gasol>Zubac
LAL Harrell>LAC Harrell

Us, 5 to 4

Our team without the greatest nba duo ever is arguably as good as a team that went in a near 60 win pace over their last 24 games on a really difficult schedule, that pushed the healthy warriors to 6.

We added bron and AD who both play our two weakest positions.

Theres soooo much potential with this team lmfao
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Post#1303 » by Homer38 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:21 pm

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Post#1304 » by limbo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:26 pm

I'm telling you this team should cruise to a title in historically dominant fashion and you're citing Jrue Holiday as a serious threat... But then the next post gushing over exactly what my point was...

Or the Bucks 'figuring it out'... There's nothing to figure out when you're clearly inferior to your opponent.

The Bucks need to worry about 'figuring out' how they would stop the Heat should they meet again in the Playoffs... Because it didn't go exactly well the last time...
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Post#1305 » by MyUniBroDavis » Mon Dec 14, 2020 3:32 pm

limbo wrote:I'm telling you this team should cruise to a title in historically dominant fashion and you're citing Jrue Holiday as a serious threat... But then the next post gushing over exactly what my point was...

Or the Bucks 'figuring it out'... There's nothing to figure out when you're clearly inferior to your opponent.

The Bucks need to worry about 'figuring out' how they would stop the Heat should they meet again in the Playoffs... Because it didn't go exactly well the last time...


I mean ive said the lakers have potential i didnt say theyre gonna def cruise

The bolsed is ignoring half of what i said lol

The bucks are a 60-70 win team that have shown a constant inability to gameplan well in the playoffs, we'll see if that gets fixed

Typically when a 60-70 win team replaces a underperforming plaoff guard with one of the best combo guards in the nba theyre gonna get better lol

Yes, the lakers are rhe favorites and can be one of the GOAT teams

Yes, the clippers and the bucks got stronger and key lroblems held them back last year, that might not apply this year

The clippers squad last year wasnt far off of us, we were better talent wise but most of the gap is playoff doc rivers is a bottom 5 nba coach.

The bucks have a similar problem is budenholzer isnt a great playoff coach

These problems are fixable, and then we have two teams at that 65-70 win level when they are taking stuff serious

To say theres basically no shot of them beating us is ridiculous lmfao. We are the favorites by a decent margin, but its not a done deal, esp if certain things dont pan out for us

With the clippers they got a bit better and we literally know for a fact coaching is what lost them the series, doc is genuinly putbon thr worst coaching performance in the nba vs the nuggets. Budenholzer ran drop coverage against olynk lmfao.

If they fix their problems, then yes, even if we are an ATG team a 65-70 win team, both with a top tier superstar, that improved, are going to be threats

If the bucks havent learned anything theyll lose to miami again, if the lue replicates what doc did we prolly sweep them

We are the favorites, but obviously if the bucjs learned playoff adjustments matter which budenholzer tried to deny a few years back and lue adjusts like he did for the cavs then yes, those teams are ATG in talent and would challenge us

Im not saying its a coinflip but obviously if a legitimate 70 win team, which is how they played when they were healthy pre bubble, fix the fixable problems that playged them during the playoffs, they obviously are gonna be threats unless we are literally the GOAT team

If we all pan out the way youd expect we prolly beat then un 5 or 6, if they pan out and schroder loses his jumper that he only had last year and both kuz and tht dont make a jump, then its a really competetive series

To say its already decided is kind of insane lol, we are the favorites but if they pan out this run wont be as easy as our last one where we were worried for like 5 minutes total

Its fine to be confident

Sayinf that two 70 win tier teams at their best, that both improved, and might have (for the bucks, the clippers pretty clearly fized their problem by firing him) fized their problems arent even going to be a challenge is dillusional
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Post#1306 » by Homer38 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:45 pm

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Post#1307 » by thebigbird » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:49 pm

I prefer the underdog role. Clippers and Bucks are both better. Nets might be better too. Play like the Hunter instead of the dog on top.
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Post#1308 » by MisterHibachi » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:58 pm

Really worried that covid is going to throw this title defense off track. In a normal year, the Lakers would be favored to repeat over the field, in my opinion. Can't predict anything this year though.

I wonder where the NBA falls in the priority list for the vaccine.
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Post#1309 » by limbo » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:08 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:I wonder where the NBA falls in the priority list for the vaccine.


I'd imagine businesses that generate billions of dollars in revenue are ahead of grandma and somewhere on top of the 'list'.

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Post#1310 » by LikeABosh » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:31 pm

Hope the Lakers pick up one more vet big man. Just someone to eat minutes in the regular season when Gasol or Davis are out
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Post#1311 » by nzahir » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:17 pm

LikeABosh wrote:Hope the Lakers pick up one more vet big man. Just someone to eat minutes in the regular season when Gasol or Davis are out

Can we cut Alfonzo and sign a vet min big?

Dedmon or Mahimi for a traditional big

Henson is a bit leaner, but long arms
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Post#1312 » by trickshot » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:54 pm

When Lebron/AD return Harrell really has to take it easy on calling his iso plays. That one on one crap is what sank the Clippers
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Post#1313 » by LikeABosh » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:09 am

donnieme wrote:When Lebron/AD return Harrell really has to take it easy on calling his iso plays. That one on one crap is what sank the Clippers


What? His minutes were reduced and his shot attempts got literally cut in half. If anything, he wasn't his normal aggressive self.

Some weird scapegoating going on with Harrell
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Post#1314 » by kayess » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:49 am

By the eye test and accounting for pre-season: does THT look like he can have a legitimate imapct (a la Caruso)?
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Post#1315 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:05 am

kayess wrote:By the eye test and accounting for pre-season: does THT look like he can have a legitimate imapct (a la Caruso)?


The moves THT is doing now would translate, defensively theres potential but there will be growing pains

He does legitimately have the tools
(ball handling/finishing/size at position/athleticism/wingspan/handsize)

To be a very good player, probably not gonna drop 33 every night but if he has a good three and gets more experience on D we are talking about a third scorer type here at times, he can run p and r too

But hes really young so lets not get too excited, but at his age he looks like a top 5 pick type in terms of physical tools (220 at 6ft4, 7ft1 wingspan) and his handles are better than alot of vet guards too, def has the sauce as well
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Post#1316 » by trickshot » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:53 pm

LikeABosh wrote:
donnieme wrote:When Lebron/AD return Harrell really has to take it easy on calling his iso plays. That one on one crap is what sank the Clippers


What? His minutes were reduced and his shot attempts got literally cut in half. If anything, he wasn't his normal aggressive self.

Some weird scapegoating going on with Harrell

Literally wrote it before reading but I see someone else had made the observation. Been following Montrezl since before he was a Laker, it's no scapegoating, it's also not about number of touches but how they're generated. He can shoot 30 times in the flow of the offense and it will be good basketball but those plays where he calls for a clear out to go one on one are the ones that irked if/when there are better options on the floor, which as i specified will be when Lebron/ad return. Last year he turned to a balckhole on offense trying to earn a contract and the Clippers lockerroom and fans felt the same, calling a clear out in the clutch when Kawhi and PG were on the floor wasn't smart, this year has to be different
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Post#1317 » by A_Biased_Fan » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:46 pm

Giannis is taking the supermax in Milwaukee. As a Lebron fan I love this! Him not going to Dallas or another contender a-la KD could have blocked Lebron from a chip!
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Post#1318 » by LikeABosh » Tue Dec 15, 2020 7:29 pm

Yepp, Giannis staying is better. Takes away the possibility of a superteam (or at least a team with 2 superstars)
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Post#1319 » by dcstanley » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:32 pm

Would have preferred if he re-signed at the end of the season. Miami might trade for Harden now.
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Post#1320 » by nzahir » Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:30 pm

dcstanley wrote:Would have preferred if he re-signed at the end of the season. Miami might trade for Harden now.

This

I think Miami should trade for Harden, would be a scary team though :(

Herro, Nunn, Precious, Iggy, Olynk, 2025 1st (no protections) and 2027 1st (little protections), 2024 and 2026 swaps

I am not sure if they can include any more picks/swaps since they owe OKC some picks, any work around?

Harden, Robinson, Butler, Harkless, Bam
Dragic, Avery, Harkless, vet?, Meyers Leonard

They should sign a few vet mins (guard, wing, big)

I wonder if Hou doesn't do it w/o Robinson.

If they require him, Miami should ask for PJ and Mclemore back

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