NBA Trade Thread #2

sco · Post #1301 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:03 pm

qianlong wrote:Lauti for Culver or Lauri for Lonzo Ball . Doubt both teams would agree, but that's the type of deal I would look for.

I think you're right. I think our best bet is to a playoff team in need of a stretch four and nab a mid-20's 1st.

Grodoboldo · Post #1302 » by **Grodoboldo** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 1:57 pm

qianlong wrote:Lauti for Culver or Lauri for Lonzo Ball . Doubt both teams would agree, but that's the type of deal I would look for.

Yup, I also think that a struggling player on a rookie deal might be the best we get for him. And probably not even that, seeing that he's about to become a RFA.

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erasmusmrr · Post #1304 » by **erasmusmrr** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:30 pm

Well, now is the time to take an all star someone wants to dump. Or a bad contract along with assets. Who needs cap space now?

sco · Post #1305 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:44 pm

erasmusmrr wrote:Well, now is the time to take an all star someone wants to dump. Or a bad contract along with assets. Who needs cap space now?

I agree that we can now look at punting our 2021 cap space to 2022. Not sure who will fit the dumpable allstar - likely an old guy like Horford or an injury reclamation project like Wall/Boogey.

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ChettheJet · Post #1307 » by **ChettheJet** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:31 pm

sco wrote:
erasmusmrr wrote:Well, now is the time to take an all star someone wants to dump. Or a bad contract along with assets. Who needs cap space now?

I agree that we can now look at punting our 2021 cap space to 2022. Not sure who will fit the dumpable allstar - likely an old guy like Horford or an injury reclamation project like Wall/Boogey.

The only issue with punting on third down to 2022 cap space is we wouldn't be the only team smart enough to see that the 2021 FA market is quickly drying up with Giannis and Paul George extending, Hayward signing and likely others to get extensions.

I would like to see what other teams have been aiming at 2021 and guess how many of them want to stay on that course or make a shift as suggested for the Bulls. Mostly I'd like to see the Bulls try anyway, to take the route that few if any want to try, don't just follow the crowd. Not that I know what will or won't work but if you get in a long line the harder it is to get ahead of everybody in it.

Right now I'm almost game for Tobias Harris if we get something else back in return. Maybe Thybulle or Korkmaz. That would set up where you go.
I would like to see if ATL is willing to deal anybody from Reddish, Hunter, Huerter who would seem to be stuck behind the high priced FAs they just signed
MEM has Allen, Brooks, Clarke o the bench and the injured Winslow who might not play
Do the Knicks see Kevin Knox as someone they want
MINN has Culver and Laymen pretty well buried on the bench
NOP have Nickeil Alexander-Walker and Josh Hart who play behind big contracts
ORL has Mo Bamba who could develop and an injured Jonathon Issac

I think I would consider trading Porter, Felicio, Arci, Kornet, Hutchison to teams still on the 2021 cap space path, Young, Satoransky, Valentine maybe even Markkanen and Carter if they bring enough back to whoever sees them as a piece to fill a spot. Then say you get Harris, you fill in the bench with any of the guys on that list or others who might have a year or two or option for a third who haven't gotten much playing time and mix them in around Harris, Lavine, White, Gafford, Williams,Temple and take a year of seeing who you've got, who stays and who goes. You've still got the low priced guys so you have room to resign Lavine in 2 years or if some of them really come on you can let Zach go in a S&T.

sco · Post #1308 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:05 pm

ChettheJet wrote:
sco wrote:
erasmusmrr wrote:Well, now is the time to take an all star someone wants to dump. Or a bad contract along with assets. Who needs cap space now?

I agree that we can now look at punting our 2021 cap space to 2022. Not sure who will fit the dumpable allstar - likely an old guy like Horford or an injury reclamation project like Wall/Boogey.

The only issue with punting on third down to 2022 cap space is we wouldn't be the only team smart enough to see that the 2021 FA market is quickly drying up with Giannis and Paul George extending, Hayward signing and likely others to get extensions.

I would like to see what other teams have been aiming at 2021 and guess how many of them want to stay on that course or make a shift as suggested for the Bulls. Mostly I'd like to see the Bulls try anyway, to take the route that few if any want to try, don't just follow the crowd. Not that I know what will or won't work but if you get in a long line the harder it is to get ahead of everybody in it.

Right now I'm almost game for Tobias Harris if we get something else back in return. Maybe Thybulle or Korkmaz. That would set up where you go.
I would like to see if ATL is willing to deal anybody from Reddish, Hunter, Huerter who would seem to be stuck behind the high priced FAs they just signed
MEM has Allen, Brooks, Clarke o the bench and the injured Winslow who might not play
Do the Knicks see Kevin Knox as someone they want
MINN has Culver and Laymen pretty well buried on the bench
NOP have Nickeil Alexander-Walker and Josh Hart who play behind big contracts
ORL has Mo Bamba who could develop and an injured Jonathon Issac

I think I would consider trading Porter, Felicio, Arci, Kornet, Hutchison to teams still on the 2021 cap space path, Young, Satoransky, Valentine maybe even Markkanen and Carter if they bring enough back to whoever sees them as a piece to fill a spot. Then say you get Harris, you fill in the bench with any of the guys on that list or others who might have a year or two or option for a third who haven't gotten much playing time and mix them in around Harris, Lavine, White, Gafford, Williams,Temple and take a year of seeing who you've got, who stays and who goes. You've still got the low priced guys so you have room to resign Lavine in 2 years or if some of them really come on you can let Zach go in a S&T.

Some good ideas in terms of targets.

CoachArete · Post #1309 » by **CoachArete** » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:23 pm

Would you trade WCJ and Coby White for Devonte Graham, Coby Zeller and a future 1st?

Bulls get a pure pg and a versatile post with a draft pick.

Chi town · Post #1310 » by **Chi town** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:33 am

If AK decides Zach is not a fit I bet he gets traded to the Knicks (Thibs) or Pels for top pick in the next draft and future 1sts and swaps.

erasmusmrr · Post #1311 » by **erasmusmrr** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:40 am

sco wrote:
erasmusmrr wrote:Well, now is the time to take an all star someone wants to dump. Or a bad contract along with assets. Who needs cap space now?

I agree that we can now look at punting our 2021 cap space to 2022. Not sure who will fit the dumpable allstar - likely an old guy like Horford or an injury reclamation project like Wall/Boogey.

Problem is, by 2022, Zach, Lauri, carter are making how much???

cjbulls · Post #1312 » by **cjbulls** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:10 am

It seems like the Bulls are tailor made for a deal with the Pelicans (ignoring the Gar factor). They have way too many guards with not enough minutes to go around:

Bledsoe
Ball
Kira Lewis
Redick
Josh Hart
Nickeil Alexander-Walker

But at forward, after Ingram and Zion their forwards depth chart lists Wenyen Gabriel (?), Nicolo Melli, and then they list Hart and Redick.

We have Lauri, Porter or Thad to offer them.

Post #1313 » by **HomoSapien** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:36 am

I wonder if we could trade Lauri for Bagley. Both guys need a change of scenery, and right now I'd rather take a gamble on Bagley than Lauri.

cjbulls · Post #1314 » by **cjbulls** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:06 am

Chi town wrote:If AK decides Zach is not a fit I bet he gets traded to the Knicks (Thibs) or Pels for top pick in the next draft and future 1sts and swaps.

Bad teams aren't sending you future FRPs. I could see Minn or NYK entertaining a Zach for Barrett and Zach for Edwards deal, but if they are actually interested in pulling the trigger, that's likely your signal to stay away.

cjbulls · Post #1315 » by **cjbulls** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 4:11 am

HomoSapien wrote:I wonder if we could trade Lauri for Bagley. Both guys need a change of scenery, and right now I'd rather take a gamble on Bagley than Lauri.

I think Bagley has more value still since he has been productive when he actually plays and one more year on his deal, but it is a new FO. Not sure we have anything else to throw in that they would actually want. Throw in Sato for Cory Joseph? Doesn't seem to move the needle.

ZOMG · Post #1316 » by **ZOMG** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:37 am

cjbulls wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:I wonder if we could trade Lauri for Bagley. Both guys need a change of scenery, and right now I'd rather take a gamble on Bagley than Lauri.

I think Bagley has more value still since he has been productive when he actually plays and one more year on his deal, but it is a new FO. Not sure we have anything else to throw in that they would actually want. Throw in Sato for Cory Joseph? Doesn't seem to move the needle.

Productive? You'd swap Lauri for a non-shooter who has a 29% career 3pt average (18% last season) on minimal volume and who scores only 14ppg despite very large usage? And this guy was a #2 pick.

I guess all things are relative.

Post #1317 » by **HomoSapien** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:47 am

ZOMG wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:I wonder if we could trade Lauri for Bagley. Both guys need a change of scenery, and right now I'd rather take a gamble on Bagley than Lauri.

I think Bagley has more value still since he has been productive when he actually plays and one more year on his deal, but it is a new FO. Not sure we have anything else to throw in that they would actually want. Throw in Sato for Cory Joseph? Doesn't seem to move the needle.

Productive? You'd swap Lauri for a non-shooter who has a 29% career 3pt average (18% last season) on minimal volume and who scores only 14ppg despite very large usage? And this guy was a #2 pick.

I guess all things are relative.

Bagley's usage is only slightly higher than Lauri. He "only" scores 14 a game, but does it in 25 minutes. Per 36 he's a 21 and 11 guy. I'm okay with him being a so-so three-point shooter, because his future will be at the 5 spot. During his rookie season, he shot over 50% from the field. Lauri on the other hand has never shot better than 43.4%.

BullsFTW · Post #1318 » by **BullsFTW** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 6:16 am

I can get on board for a Bagley Lauri swap. Not sure Sacramento will though.

ZOMG · Post #1319 » by **ZOMG** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:04 am

HomoSapien wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
cjbulls wrote:
I think Bagley has more value still since he has been productive when he actually plays and one more year on his deal, but it is a new FO. Not sure we have anything else to throw in that they would actually want. Throw in Sato for Cory Joseph? Doesn't seem to move the needle.

Productive? You'd swap Lauri for a non-shooter who has a 29% career 3pt average (18% last season) on minimal volume and who scores only 14ppg despite very large usage? And this guy was a #2 pick.

I guess all things are relative.

Bagley's usage is only slightly higher than Lauri. He "only" scores 14 a game, but does it in 25 minutes. Per 36 he's a 21 and 11 guy. I'm okay with him being a so-so three-point shooter, because his future will be at the 5 spot. During his rookie season, he shot over 50% from the field. Lauri on the other hand has never shot better than 43.4%.

LOL. Bagley's future is most definitely not at the 5 spot. He can neither spread the floor or protect the rim with his poor reach. He doesn't block shots. The only place he can score is right near the basket.

His usage is only slightly higher than Lauri's? You kidding me? Last year:

Lauri 21.1
Bagley 25.8

That's a big difference. Even in his 2nd season when Lauri was featured in the offense more, his usage was still only 25.

At this point, people just keep pulling names out of a hat and announcing that this and that guy is clearly better than Markkanen. The hate he gets here is unbelievable.

Post #1320 » by **HomoSapien** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:01 am

ZOMG wrote:
HomoSapien wrote:
ZOMG wrote:
Productive? You'd swap Lauri for a non-shooter who has a 29% career 3pt average (18% last season) on minimal volume and who scores only 14ppg despite very large usage? And this guy was a #2 pick.

I guess all things are relative.

Bagley's usage is only slightly higher than Lauri. He "only" scores 14 a game, but does it in 25 minutes. Per 36 he's a 21 and 11 guy. I'm okay with him being a so-so three-point shooter, because his future will be at the 5 spot. During his rookie season, he shot over 50% from the field. Lauri on the other hand has never shot better than 43.4%.

LOL. Bagley's future is most definitely not at the 5 spot. He can neither spread the floor or protect the rim with his poor reach. He doesn't block shots. The only place he can score is right near the basket.

His usage is only slightly higher than Lauri's? You kidding me? Last year:

Lauri 21.1
Bagley 25.8

That's a big difference. Even in his 2nd season when Lauri was featured in the offense more, his usage was still only 25.

At this point, people just keep pulling names out of a hat and announcing that this and that guy is clearly better than Markkanen. The hate he gets here is unbelievable.

I'm not sure why you're being so snippy with your posts, but I suggest you stop being so sensitive.

Regarding their usages, go by their career averages. Seems pointless using last year's stats since Bagley only played 13 games last season. Career average usage is 24.5 (Bagley) vs 22.7 (Lauri). I'm not really seeing how that's a big difference, especially considering that Lauri's usage was down last year in part due to Boylen. Plus, I'm okay with someone having a high usage if they're productive, and Bagley shows all the signs of being a productive offensive player.

I'd also like a good argument for why Bagley can't play the 5. He averages 1.3 BPG per 36 and nearly 11 boards. I'm not arguing that he's going to lock up the paint like Dikembe Mutombo, but he has all the tools to be competent at the 5.