Giannis SIGNS

[Mihai]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30528130/james-harden-houston-rockets-breaking-point

Absolute body-bagging of Houston and their culture/enabling of Harden's behavior. If this is a guy that you want in your locker room next to Giannis, then more power to you. Even if we have the assets to go after him (we don't), I'd much rather use them to go after a guy like Beal, Kemba, etc. At some point the mileage and character stuff does outweigh the talent.

My gosh, don’t bring that anywhere near our team

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yeah, I don't want a Top 5 guy and perennial MVP on my team either. It would suck to have 2 top 5 guys on the same team.

its not as easy as that with him tho. it really isnt

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if we move lopez i want to be on record stating i have absolutely zero concern about finding a replacement.

thats if we go away from this defense everybody has figured out. bringing anybody else to play the brook role, in a defense everybody is already annilating, wouldnt be a good idea. but besides that im not worried about finding another center to replace his offense assuming we bring in backcourt help in his place

As long as they don't ask Giannis to play a lot of center. I'm absolutely convinced he just doesn't want to or they would have done it a long time ago. I know it should work well in theory but I'm fine with letting him stay at PF where he can roam more.

And even if they do keep the same defense, how much worse off would they have been with RoLo as the token starting center at half the price? He had similar rim protection stats last year and actually hit a higher percentage of his 3's.

agree.... handle it the same way the lakers do with AD. i know they signed harrell but decent older vet min centers are a dime a dozen

[Chapter29]

Not a Harden fan but do believe that we need a legit #2 guy.

I do not like....his character, his defense or his offseason work ethic (fatty).

I would look elsewhere.....

[averageposter]

Setting aside whether Harden is really who you'd want, The rumored deals are essentially, Simmons/Herro and 3 first round picks, also setting aside salary issues. Picks the value of late first round are sweetener, they go on top of young player with perceived upside. Middleton is not a young player with upside, I do believe league wide he is underated, if you wanted to remain competitive Middleton picks should yield a better than Middleton player but Harden level I don't know. Schroeder isn't Simmons or Herro either. Maybe there is a chain of events, by drafting those picks ourselves, or Dante's ascension, or some two step where one of those late picks nets a young guy we develope into more that ultimately puts us in a situation where instead of targeting a Holiday, we could target a Harden. But, the biggest problem with targeting a Harden is the cupboard was bare pre trading the picks with young players with upside.

[Mihai]

Yeah, I don't want a Top 5 guy and perennial MVP on my team either. It would suck to have 2 top 5 guys on the same team.

If Harden was a “Jordan” and had like 3 titles with the Rockets with that attitude I’d be up for it. But he lead nobody anywhere plus Giannis said during the all-star draft that he wants to play with guys who pass the ball.
Why bring such a toxic guy then?
To win a title, we need Giannis to improve his free throws and for Bud to have a clue in the playoffs. Oh, and ability to adapt and make real adjustments, Giannis needs to play more like a PF sometimes and now we have a PG to enable that. Let’s see what happens...

[ABucksFan]

Yeah, I don't want a Top 5 guy and perennial MVP on my team either. It would suck to have 2 top 5 guys on the same team.

its not as easy as that with him tho. it really isnt

I agree, but to shut it down completely...is nuts.

[Ron Swanson]

Jimmy Butler's locker room stuff was entirely different because I could count on one hand the guys in this league that have a better work ethic and absolute "**** you" mentality on the court and in practice. That's not Harden. That he rubbed lazy and mentally fragile players like Ben Simmons, Andrew Wiggins, and KAT the wrong way seems more like a plus to me than anything negative. Those guys would rather date Kardashians and play Fortnite.

[ABucksFan]

Yeah, I don't want a Top 5 guy and perennial MVP on my team either. It would suck to have 2 top 5 guys on the same team.

If Harden was a “Jordan” and had like 3 titles with the Rockets with that attitude I’d be up for it. But he lead nobody anywhere plus Giannis said during the all-star draft that he wants to play with guys who pass the ball.
Why bring such a toxic guy then?
To win a title, we need Giannis to improve his free throws and for Bud to have a clue in the playoffs. Oh, and ability to adapt and make real adjustments, Giannis needs to play more like a PF sometimes and now we have a PG to enable that. Let’s see what happens...

How many "Jordans" are there....

I agree that we don't need Harden to win a title, I'm just shocked by how people are straight up dismissing it . People change in different situations, not saying Harden would...but it's possible. I'm just weirded out that people won't even entertain it. Don't we want a championship? Harden + Giannis + Jrue/Midds makes us favorites for the next 2-3 years.

[yannisk]

I think we should have gone after Paul, he is probably a better player than Jrue, more suited for our needs and we would have got him for less. We would have some assets left to fill the roster that still has some huge holes. I don't worry about Schroeder he is not that good of a player and he has character issues too.

[All The Bucks]

LOL, the whole point of keeping the picks is to make competitive offers for better players like Harden so no, I'm not advocating having a worse roster just for the sake of keeping assets forever. I'm advocating getting a better roster by getting fair value for assets, which I firmly believe they would have been able to do eventually.

And once again completely ignoring the narrow window they had to get the Supermax signed. You can't have it both ways. So let's say they go the route you're suggesting. They still have to give up something to get a Schroeder or an Oladipo. Sure, not as much as it took to get Jrue, I'll give you that. In the meantime here's the corner you've painted yourself into - someone like Boston lands Jrue instead. Giannis still signs because you got one or two of his guys, but now you have a lesser team and your competitors got better. Do you immediately turn around and trade the newly acquired Schroeder and/or Oladipo when the team doesn't cut it and then piss off Giannis for shedding his guys? Your scenario doesn't add up.

I am not ignoring the 12/21 deadline at all. Are you even reading my posts? THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT IT APPEARS THE BUCKS COULD HAVE CONVINCED GIANNIS TO EXTEND WITHOUT SACRIFICING SO MUCH. Say you think Jrue was worth it if you want, but stop twisting every single point of my argument.

And why the hell couldn't you trade Schroder or Bogdan with picks eventually? I'm sure Giannis wanted Bledsoe and Hill to stay when they first re-signed too, but things change. Just keep making smart, good value moves and things work out.

Pretty big assumption to say "the team doesn't cut it" after they had the best record two seasons in a row and upgrade Bledose with Schroder, too. You're living in an alternate reality if your whole premise is based on the assumption that they had to give up whatever it takes to get Jrue friggin' Holiday (whom I do really like, but still) when they did in order to a) be a contender and b) convince Giannis to extend. That's so specific and lacking in nuance that it's almost laughable.

Right but don't ignore the rest of the response or the remaining picture under your hypothetical. Once you've acquired Schroeder or Oladipo you're somewhat committed to them. You think it's easy to turn around and trade Giannis' hand picked guys weeks later when Harden comes available? Or months later when perhaps Steph becomes available? Even if you think it's easy to rid yourself of those guys who are lesser talents than Jrue, there's still no guarantee that you'll land Harden or Steph when they become available. There are other teams in the same pursuit. They had to get something done NOW. And with no guarantee of landing a bigger fish later, they got the best one they could at this time. It's really not difficult when you stay in the realm of reality which is where the team had to operate.

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[jute2003]

I think we should have gone after Paul, he is probably a better player than Jrue, more suited for our needs and we would have got him for less. We would have some assets left to fill the roster that still has some huge holes. I don't worry about Schroeder he is not that good of a player and he has character issues too.

It sounds like Giannis didn't want to play with him. If part of your reason for trading for these guys is to get Giannis to sign longterm, then him not liking someone is a pretty big sign to stay the **** away.

[har13]

If you think the Bucks would ever make a move for a guy like Harden with the stuff coming out about Giannis recruiting guys like Schroder and Bogdan, you're .

This is Nba man, you cant bring who ever you like, actually both of them were the only of few realistic targets at the time, who you wanted? It was those 2, paul, Holiday, Galinari, Oladipo and i dont know if anyone else... I laugh when guys saying what you just said, again who you wanted? A realistic target, maybe Paul? With Paul you cant sign anyone else, so whom?

Now we couldn't know that Harden wanted out of Houston so i can't blame them but i can see easily Houston accepting a Khris and 2 first round picks (not even 3) and swaps for Harden.

The point is that Giannis is not a good GM, which is proven by the fact that the guy he wanted most was Bogdan. I know you want to point out that that's because it's the most realistic, but come on. If Giannis said he wanted Harden, or anyone else, the Bucks would have found a way to get it done.

Sorry man then you are a good GM and i m terrible cause i wanted too Ersan/Donte/Dj for Bogdan, i don't know why you are correct and i m wrong and i dont see your suggestions but its your opinion.

[Bucksfan28]

If Steph was right I could see James embracing a new situation on a serious contender. (Starts around 2:25)

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Yeah, I don't want a Top 5 guy and perennial MVP on my team either. It would suck to have 2 top 5 guys on the same team.

its not as easy as that with him tho. it really isnt

I agree, but to shut it down completely...is nuts.

this is simple and helps me with this situation.

you ask giannis if he wants harden and its obvious any deal starts with khris.....from giannis youre going to get either an excited yes, a cautious eyerolling ugh, or a strong no. its one of those 3. if its the excited yes then we go get him with EVERYTHING on the table. if its the other two answers we just move on

harden is dangerous. there is no question on paper hes a tiger for this team. but theres also no question hes about the worst possible fit culturally and maybe even stylistically we could consider. if were hell bent on a ex mvp that can get buckets we'd have probably been better off going after westbrook for the cost quite frankly. talent and numbers are only a part of the equation with guys like that

[wallus]

That article might hurt his trade value and make him more attainable for us. Hate hate hate Harden as a player but would do the Middleton and Brook plus others for Harden and Tucker trade that's been floated in a second.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Jimmy Butler's locker room stuff was entirely different because I could count on one hand the guys in this league that have a better work ethic and absolute "**** you" mentality on the court and in practice. That's not Harden. That he rubbed lazy and mentally fragile players like Ben Simmons, Andrew Wiggins, and KAT the wrong way seems more like a plus to me than anything negative. Those guys would rather date Kardashians and play Fortnite.

absolutely agree. thats why i put the odds on us being wrong at 1%

[MickeyDavis]

This thread is just begging for some And 1's.

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