Giannis is gone: Mavs Next Target

[Buzzard]

What about something crazy-ish like KP, THJ, James Johnson and Jalen Brunson for Harrison Barnes, Buddy Hield, Richaun Holmes and Nemanja Bjelica?

That feels really bad for Dallas. They are trading the only other guy with any star impact potential for 4 role players. I think Dallas is notably worse immediately after this trade and have far less flexibility.

Kemba Walker and picks? I don't know haha, KP has such strange value to me.

All it takes is one GM to love KP despite him not playing until January. Problem is, what does that one GM have that Dallas wants? I think the pickings are slim to none for a KP trade right now. He has to prove he can stay on the floor in my opinion.

[Texas Chuck]

Oh Blazers knows Luka plays PG--but lots of people list depth charts by the position they defend.

I think this is the most accurate way to list players. It bothers me to see guys like Simmons/Harden/Doncic/LBJ listed at PG knowing there isn’t a single PG in the league that is guarding those guys on court, and vice versa for the most part.

When are we going to list Jokic at PG? Top assist man in the league, main facilitator on his team, brings the ball up the court... and Never because he’s 7ft 280. Simmons is a ball handling PF, LBJ/Luka a point forward, Harden a ball dominant 2G/SF

It bothers me too. The difference between Magic Johnson and all these other big play makers is Johnson actually took on the defensive challenge to guard Isiah Thomas, Gary Payton, etc.

I think Simmons is closest in that regard to Magic. But the rest would tuck their tails and run at the sight of Isiah Thomas bouncing a ball in front of them.

Magic Johnson did not regularly guard those small PG's. Nixon did then Scott or Cooper. We don't have to re-write history. Magic was a huge man with relatively little athleticism. It would be foolish to have him chase Zeke around just like its foolish to ask Luka to keep Dame or Kyrie in front of him.

[Buzzard]

I think this is the most accurate way to list players. It bothers me to see guys like Simmons/Harden/Doncic/LBJ listed at PG knowing there isn’t a single PG in the league that is guarding those guys on court, and vice versa for the most part.

When are we going to list Jokic at PG? Top assist man in the league, main facilitator on his team, brings the ball up the court... and Never because he’s 7ft 280. Simmons is a ball handling PF, LBJ/Luka a point forward, Harden a ball dominant 2G/SF

It bothers me too. The difference between Magic Johnson and all these other big play makers is Johnson actually took on the defensive challenge to guard Isiah Thomas, Gary Payton, etc.

I think Simmons is closest in that regard to Magic. But the rest would tuck their tails and run at the sight of Isiah Thomas bouncing a ball in front of them.

Magic Johnson did not regularly guard those small PG's. Nixon did then Scott or Cooper. We don't have to re-write history. Magic was a huge man with relatively little athleticism. It would be foolish to have him chase Zeke around just like its foolish to ask Luka to keep Dame or Kyrie in front of him.

But he did take on the challenge in critical times during games. I watched those games. Magic was worlds better in half court defense against smaller players than Luka, Lebron, or Harden. Its not even a contest.

[Texas Chuck]

Buzzard, Magic was never better defensively against any size player than Lebron James. Please don't do this.

[Buzzard]

Buzzard, Magic was never better defensively against any size player than Lebron James. Please don't do this.

You are just wrong when it comes to guarding small players.

[BlazersBroncos]

You are just wrong when it comes to guarding small players.

Magic absolutely was not as good defending small guy as LBJ.

Magic was closer to Luka than LBJ when it came to athleticism.

[Mr B]

You are just wrong when it comes to guarding small players.

Magic absolutely was not as good defending small guy as LBJ.

Magic was closer to Luka than LBJ when it came to athleticism.

And Magic wasn’t out there trying to cover small guys like Zeke. He was almost always covering a bigger guy unless he got switched off on to the smaller guy.


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[doctor him]

The moral of this story is that unless you're a team in LA or Miami, that you can't depend on the magical "cap space" fairy to deliver unto you a superstar. Even if you are LA or Miami, you may miss on getting someone to take your money/beaches combo deal for a free agent cycle or 3.

Now sure any team CAN sign big-time free agents, but if you're signing a guy on his (likely) 3rd contract, then you're probably overpaying based on past performance and probably fitting a somewhat square peg into a somewhat round hole.

For most teams, free agency isn't the highway to a championship and if a central piece of your team came via free agency then it's most likely that you top out at a good or very good team that doesn't get over the proverbial hump.

Cap space doesn't rebound or score. It doesn't play defense or get even one assist. All it does is present options for the future.

But options don't lead to winning basketball games UNTIL they're exercised.

[Apz]

I wonder what contract Gobert actually will get? He is already pretty well payed, but from the rumours he want that 243m from utah. Onoy way I can see Mavs get him is a pretty straight KP swap. But a bit unsure about the contract rules, this getting hardcapped for a season if going over the cap in a snt would screw mavs over, need them money to resign Richardson and THJ

[Buzzard]

I wonder what contract Gobert actually will get? He is already pretty well payed, but from the rumours he want that 243m from utah. Onoy way I can see Mavs get him is a pretty straight KP swap. But a bit unsure about the contract rules, this getting hardcapped for a season if going over the cap in a snt would screw mavs over, need them money to resign Richardson and THJ

Gobert is 28 so its not like he is old. He fits a win/now timeline and I think he can seriously contribute the full length of his next contract.

I like him a lot on a team full of shooters and would gladly pay him a max to be on the newly constructed Hawks.

[Apz]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

[Godaddycurse]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

wouldn't it be the same or in close ballpark as Kemba's contract? He was also eligible for supermax from hornets but only got 4/140 from celtics

[Buzzard]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

Same as Mitchell maybe. 160 million over 5 years.

[shakes0]

Buzzard, Magic was never better defensively against any size player than Lebron James. Please don't do this.

You are just wrong when it comes to guarding small players.

Love you Buzz, but you're off on this one. Go back and watch the tape of LBJ guarding Derek Rose in the playoffs when Rose was still Rose. LBJ was on him like white on rice.

[Apz]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

wouldn't it be the same or in close ballpark as Kemba's contract? He was also eligible for supermax from hornets but only got 4/140 from celtics

Thats 35/year. Think he makes 28m atm. 7m more for a max, can that be right? It both sounds too much and too little at the same time, which doesnt make sense haha

[Godaddycurse]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

Same as Mitchell maybe. 160 million over 5 years.

no mitchell was eligible for 25% of the cap starting salary. Gobert as a FA would be eligible for 30% at 5% raise over 4 years. so like 4/145 or somethign like that

[Buzzard]

So what is his max that isnt supermax? 40ish m/year?

Same as Mitchell maybe. 160 million over 5 years.

no mitchell was eligible for 25% of the cap starting salary. Gobert as a FA would be eligible for 30% at 5% raise over 4 years. so like 4/145 or somethign like that

I don't think Luka and Gobert would be as impactful as Kobe and Shaq. Definitely on par with with Kobe and Gasol. To me, 4 years of that is worth the money.

[dakomish23]

THJ or Johnson / filler / minor asset for Oladipo

Aaron Gordon if ORL decides it’s time to move on.

The whole boat except Luka / KP for Simmons if HOU doesn’t want to keep him in a Harden deal

[Buzzard]

THJ or Johnson / filler / minor asset for Oladipo

Aaron Gordon if ORL decides it’s time to move on.

The whole boat except Luka / KP for Simmons if HOU doesn’t want to keep him in a Harden deal

I think you are undervaluing what these teams think of their players. Gordon as a salary dump only works if they can move Vuc as well. Otherwise it makes no sense.

[Texas Chuck]

Screw it, my next target is Bjelica. Hey, it worked with Richardson.