Knicks - Cavs PG II

[Richard4444]

Obi Jokic, he made some really good passes.

But he had some stupid passes intercepted. He cant expected to hit those passes that cross the entire court...

[Spree2Houston]

What a slap to the face to the nets. KD looked dominated last night and Nets beat the Celtics in a blowout. They get page 55 recognition for that

[Fat Kat]

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Never change Berman

[Reign23]

because of the knicks, i hate the word "earn". when has a vet ever had to earn minutes?

[knickstape21]

It’s minor, but the upgrades on the roster, even the backend, it’s noticeable to me..

Quickley > Smith
Pinson > Trier
Harper > Allen
Burks > Ellington
Toppin > Portis (overall better team player)

Slowly, but surely upgrading!

[Paradise]

What a slap to the face to the nets. KD looked dominated last night and Nets beat the Celtics in a blowout. They get page 55 recognition for that

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[2010]

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Knew it! Everyone hates foul baiting but to have that skill right out of the gate is impressive. Especially for the refs to actually call them for a rookie.

Did you all notice how much talking to the refs he’s been doing?

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[thebuzzardman]

I mean, I'll say it

He's probably used to being the biggest, fastest, most athletic guy in the gym

Now that he's in the NBA, he's facing guys who can match him physically every night, and he'll need to get his skills to the point where he can be effective, when he probably hasn't had to fully use them in quite a while.

It's honestly a little worrisome.
NodopeonSunday's thing about 6'7"-ish athletic guys good in college...I forget what the set of statistics he used, but I'm starting to wonder. Like another Williams the Knicks had for a minute: Derrick Williams

I dunno if Derrick Williams is a good comparison. Dude had very little skills apart from being a high flyer. He had no range since he never developed a 3 point shot (he could've been a stretch 4) and wasn't a smart player which is why he never turned into more than a role player. Problem was he never developed any skills and was drafted too high so that added a lot of pressure.

As bad as Obi has been playing, you can see he's overthinking some parts of the game. But he's shown that he can be a good passer and can hit a 3. Already better than Williams. He just needs to get more consistent and let the game come to him. I don't see him being worse than Derrick Williams. Might not be a star but a solid player if he can improve his defense.

Fair points

[ellobo]

I actually didn't hate Randle last night. A lot less stupid dribbling into traffic and jacking up shots that the defense gives him because they want him to shoot them. Quickley and RJ not defaulting to dumping the ball to Randle and standing around waiting for him to do something helped.

Against zones, putting Randle in the high post with Mitch on the baseline and 3 shooters (IQ, Knox, Burks, Bullock) on the perimeter might not be a bad combination. RJ can also play that high post facilitator role against zones. At Duke, he killed the Syracuse zone in that role. Once you get fewer than 3 shooters around a high post playmaker and a dunker/offensive rebounder, that's where zones kill the Knicks. Which means lineups with Payton or DSJ are going to see zones all day long and all the shots are going to go to guys who shouldn't be shooting them.

I've always thought Knox's shot looked beautiful, even though the percentages didn't match the aesthetics. If he can really be a knockdown catch and shoot player, that would be a great building block to becoming a legitimate NBA player. I'm a Frank fan and I feel the same way about his shot -- his stroke looks much better to me than the results so far, and at least Frank already has a positive dimension to his game on defense.

But the highlight of the broadcast last night was Clyde taking a hockey reference by Kenny Albert and segueing into, "And now the Cavs are wondering what the puck is going on." I once heard Clyde pull that line years ago on a radio broadcast with Jim Karvellas...it was followed by 15 seconds of silence before Karvellas said another word.

[2010]

the question is, what is obi's path to stardom ? and if you say he doesn't need to be one, why take a 22 year old who is neither really a very good shooter or defender since those are the most important attributes for role players in this decade.

his path to stardom, as far as i can tell, is improving his shot, handle & shot creation for himself. he's already a little good at creating for others but it's not the same for himself so far. that's sort of a lot.

It shouldn’t be hard for him to improve his shot and/or handle. He shot 40% from 3 in college. The NBA line is further out. For bigs there’s often an adjustment period. Also, the handle don’t gotta be like Kyrie or Steph Curry. Just enough to get to his spots without turning it over. Obi will be fine.

I’m more surprised about how small he is. But even that ain’t a big issue. Each year the 4’s get smaller. So he should be able to bully them as he gets stronger while being able to just survive defending them in a team scheme.

[HerSports85]

Obi offense will come once he figures out his role, right now he’s just trying to get a feel for the game.

With these preseason games, I think the focus was on his defense, which was noticeably better each game. He’s not the liability that many thought he’ll be. I also noticed his improvement on his footwork.

He’s also a better passer than I originally thought.

Payne will get him right on offense, let’s be patient.

[brigadierjerry]

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[brigadierjerry]

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[xNewYorkMadex]

Payton has had 6 years to solidify his position as a starting nba guard, with his lack of 3pt shooting, his game better translates to just come off the bench.

Spacing is the name of the game in today’s league. Still would like to see how Quickley performance against better teams, but it doesn’t matter. Quickley can move the ball just fine, attacks and finishes w/ a floater and surprisingly gets to the line. And what’s key is he can actually hit a 3. Dating back to Rose, Knicks just seemed to be allergic to get a starting PG that can hit a 3. Having a PG that just refuses to even attempt a 3 can kill an offense.

Hopefully Bullock can regain his form from a couple seasons ago with Detroit. What I like about our team is we have a number of playmakers out on the floor at the same time, which can make Bullock’s life easier on the court. We all remember how important Novak turned out to be for us. I envision Bullock can replicate that if he’s up for that challenge. Just hit the open 3 when the ball swings to you. Same goes for Burks.

Back to the playmaking, I know many of you sh*t on Randle, and sometimes it is deserved, but the man has the potential in him to really be a factor with his playmaking ability. He was under control this game & we need to see more of that. I do have my doubts whether he can remain under control, but with the better spacing w/ IQ on the floor, he might be able to limit his turnovers.

Obi also has the playmaking ability in him as well. Obi just doesn’t seem to know where his shots are coming from right now & seems hesitant at times to throw up a shot, but I’d rather him keep moving the rock then selfishly look for his. I’d rather him learn to let the game come to him right now.

Knox has surprised me with his 3pt shooting last couple games. I was ready to write this kid off I won’t lie. Dude has been the definition of lights out. And man, I pray Mitch can continue to stop fouling at such a high rate. When he’s on the floor, his impact in noticeable. Saw a few times he didn’t actually go for the block and just contested the shot w/o jumping. Mitch will learn that the threat of him blocking the shot will alter the shot of his opponents more often than not. They know his out there, all he has to do is stay steady, contest it, grab the board and we’re off to the races. I still won’t start him though until he puts together a string of games off the bench w/o getting into foul trouble.

It is only preseason, so I don’t want to get my hopes up. Need to see consistency for it to be real. But it actually might be fun to watch this team this season if the kids actually grow and can prove they belong out there.

[thebuzzardman]

You guys know any site where I can watch this? Was out last night couldn’t tune in

720.ru, create an account and DL the game via torrent.
The one up is the cav's feed.

It's a toss up which feed will show up, and I've rarely, if ever, seen two.

Usually I cringe when I get the other team's feed, though there are few announcers I like, like Dominique Wilkens doing the Hawks.

The Cav's announcers were kind of clowning the Knicks in the first game.

I'm excited that I got the Cav's announcers to watch the game again, after having the MSG feed.
Their tears will be delicious.

[robillionaire]

Payton has had 6 years to solidify his position as a starting nba guard, with his lack of 3pt shooting, his game better translates to just come off the bench.

Spacing is the name of the game in today’s league. Still would like to see how Quickley performance against better teams, but it doesn’t matter. Quickley can move the ball just fine, attacks and finishes w/ a floater and surprisingly gets to the line. And what’s key is he can actually hit a 3. Dating back to Rose, Knicks just seemed to be allergic to get a starting PG that can hit a 3. Having a PG that just refuses to even attempt a 3 can kill an offense.

Hopefully Bullock can regain his form from a couple seasons ago with Detroit. What I like about our team is we have a number of playmakers out on the floor at the same time, which can make Bullock’s life easier on the court. We all remember how important Novak turned out to be for us. I envision Bullock can replicate that if he’s up for that challenge. Just hit the open 3 when the ball swings to you. Same goes for Burks.

Back to the playmaking, I know many of you sh*t on Randle, and sometimes it is deserved, but the man has the potential in him to really be a factor with his playmaking ability. He was under control this game & we need to see more of that. I do have my doubts whether he can remain under control, but with the better spacing w/ IQ on the floor, he might be able to limit his turnovers.

Obi also has the playmaking ability in him as well. Obi just doesn’t seem to know where his shots are coming from right now & seems hesitant at times to throw up a shot, but I’d rather him keep moving the rock then selfishly look for his. I’d rather him learn to let the game come to him right now.

Knox has surprised me with his 3pt shooting last couple games. I was ready to write this kid off I won’t lie. Dude has been the definition of lights out. And man, I pray Mitch can continue to stop fouling at such a high rate. When he’s on the floor, his impact in noticeable. Saw a few times he didn’t actually go for the block and just contested the shot w/o jumping. Mitch will learn that the threat of him blocking the shot will alter the shot of his opponents more often than not. They know his out there, all he has to do is stay steady, contest it, grab the board and we’re off to the races. I still won’t start him though until he puts together a string of games off the bench w/o getting into foul trouble.

It is only preseason, so I don’t want to get my hopes up. Need to see consistency for it to be real. But it actually might be fun to watch this team this season if the kids actually grow and can prove they belong out there.

Payton isn't an NBA player. You can't be an NBA PG and shoot 20% from 3 unless you are elite in some other areas. He isn't. He's not suited to play NBA basketball. He needs to be cut and play for the Beijing ducks

[god shammgod]

go head nbabrothers, this is your time

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[Gravy]

Loved this pass from Obi. If he can keep making plays like this while the rest of his game comes along thats cool with me.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

edit: brigadier caught it. lol

[god shammgod]

Payton has had 6 years to solidify his position as a starting nba guard, with his lack of 3pt shooting, his game better translates to just come off the bench.

Spacing is the name of the game in today’s league. Still would like to see how Quickley performance against better teams, but it doesn’t matter. Quickley can move the ball just fine, attacks and finishes w/ a floater and surprisingly gets to the line. And what’s key is he can actually hit a 3. Dating back to Rose, Knicks just seemed to be allergic to get a starting PG that can hit a 3. Having a PG that just refuses to even attempt a 3 can kill an offense.

Hopefully Bullock can regain his form from a couple seasons ago with Detroit. What I like about our team is we have a number of playmakers out on the floor at the same time, which can make Bullock’s life easier on the court. We all remember how important Novak turned out to be for us. I envision Bullock can replicate that if he’s up for that challenge. Just hit the open 3 when the ball swings to you. Same goes for Burks.

Back to the playmaking, I know many of you sh*t on Randle, and sometimes it is deserved, but the man has the potential in him to really be a factor with his playmaking ability. He was under control this game & we need to see more of that. I do have my doubts whether he can remain under control, but with the better spacing w/ IQ on the floor, he might be able to limit his turnovers.

Obi also has the playmaking ability in him as well. Obi just doesn’t seem to know where his shots are coming from right now & seems hesitant at times to throw up a shot, but I’d rather him keep moving the rock then selfishly look for his. I’d rather him learn to let the game come to him right now.

Knox has surprised me with his 3pt shooting last couple games. I was ready to write this kid off I won’t lie. Dude has been the definition of lights out. And man, I pray Mitch can continue to stop fouling at such a high rate. When he’s on the floor, his impact in noticeable. Saw a few times he didn’t actually go for the block and just contested the shot w/o jumping. Mitch will learn that the threat of him blocking the shot will alter the shot of his opponents more often than not. They know his out there, all he has to do is stay steady, contest it, grab the board and we’re off to the races. I still won’t start him though until he puts together a string of games off the bench w/o getting into foul trouble.

It is only preseason, so I don’t want to get my hopes up. Need to see consistency for it to be real. But it actually might be fun to watch this team this season if the kids actually grow and can prove they belong out there.

Payton isn't an NBA player. You can't be an NBA PG and shoot 20% from 3 unless you are elite in some other areas. He isn't. He's not suited to play NBA basketball. He needs to be cut and play for the Beijing ducks

he's somehow figured out a way to look good statically so people kind of assume he isn't bringing the team down as much as he is